Her overacting is hilarious, it's the main reason I'm still watching ; a welcome distraction from the increasingly ridiculous storylines.

My favourite of her gurns is that weird 'Phil Jones Sexface' thing she pulls, although 'confused frog' and 'constipated puppy' are always worth looking out for too.

Apart from converting from marine to terrorist? We don't of course know what the original plan for him was and that would have changed once the opportunity to play the political game fell into his lap.

He is a puppet, Abu Nazir's puppet. He does appear to be in waters far above his pay grade but look too hard into this and the cracks need a lot of paper.

The first series was brilliantly ambiguous & because of that it bore more scrutiny but this is more of a ride of fantasy so I'm just sittting in there enjoying where it'll go.

The terrorists didn't get caught in the act but it would be foolish to think they have got away with anything just yet. Now they've wiped out a CIA forensics team they've just multiplied the ante against them & should expect all manner of a manhunt to happen around them.

Whatever was in that box has to be worth risking all that and key to "the plan". Either a WMD or something capable of causing a major disaster in the US.

Trying to think what else could be in that box if not a WMD or similar?? If could be full of incriminating evidence against their financiers perhaps....?

"Claire Danes Cry Face" has a blog dedicated to it:

http://clairedanescryface.tumblr.com/

I wish I'd paid more attention to the first couple of eps now.

I'm doing my best to blank out the whole tailor/Brody plotline but it only makes any sense at all to me if I presume either..

Brody really was the only person they had available to move the tailor at short notice. But I'd have thought a bit of tradecraft would be in place to get the tailor on the run asap.

Or, they really didn't mind if Brody was caught at the time.

Roya did know all about the CIA forensics team already. I'm presuming terrorist fountain guy was on surveillance at the tailors & filled her in on that.

But she doesn't know about Brody's arrest and him telling the CIA the tailor's dead. That's what triggered the CIA forensics search after two weeks wait - so whoever her mole is doesn't know Brody was arrested....

Was the store camera just a normal store camera. or one installed by the terrorists for their surveillance, or one installed by the CIA for theirs???

I was wondering that too Denners, if the incident was recorded then big bad baddie took off his balaclava and will be on film. CSI will also have a field day analysing blood splatter and bullet holes.

Haha, that's great.

Does anyone have a link to a full version of the Anne Hathaway impersonation mentioned on there ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLRYB...feature=relmfu

They'll be there for weeks.

bit of a faux pas from him whoever's cameras they were. He's not too bothered about keeping his identity secret is he?

So can we assume that Roya was telling the man in dark glasses who she met, to go to Gettysburg? [in the bit where the sound went ]
That it was just a coincidence that Quinn and team got there first?
Re midg taking them off I wouldn't have thought the shop had CCTV but you never know.

Don't know really.

It depends when and how she found out the CIA had been watching the shop for 2 weeks I suppose?

Someone could already have been watching the CIA surveillance. He could have been filling her in with the details, or formulating a plan with her to remove the box.

It's also possible Roya didn't know of the box until the meet with flesh wound guy too?

Either way they were ready to deal with them the moment the forensic team went in.

Was Quinn tapping the false wall the catalyst for them going in?

So either the CCTV was theirs
or they had access to the feed
or they were tipped off by someone with access to the CCTV feed

or it was just coincidence &/or for dramatic effect?

That was my point all along. you wouldn't go to all that trouble, and effectively show your hand to the enemy, unless there was something in that box, that was vital to your plan.

That's why I thought it must be a nuke, because that's a complex piece of equipment, and perhaps the tailor dying meant they weren't able to finish it. Or they need some more components.

If it's some kind of bomb that's already been finished, the question would beg itself why don't they explode it already?Because it's already become a race against time, with the C.I.A and everyone else now looking for that box, and the bad guys trying to hide it, that it becomes too risky not to offload it unless you have no choice.

Stuff that links itself to the paymasters is too vague for me. It also lacks excitement. You want to look for a box because it contains some addresses and emails? hardly edge of the seat stuff is it?

And is a stinger missile that difficult to get hold of? Can't you just ship one in? Or buy one off the C.I.A. themselves, like in the Afghan war The series needed a boost to get us on the edge of our seats, and I think this can provide it.

Also you can build a story around a nuke. How they might need to get some scientists into america, or some missing piece like depleted plutonium. Or the race against time thing. You'd know what i mean if you've read Clancy's "Sum of fears"

Anyway I await future developments

If it's a nuke I'll go off this series rapidly tbh. What keeps you on the edge of your seat could be very different to what keeps me on mine.

I'm just thinking out loud - too heavy to be stuffed with emails that wasn't quite what I was thinking.

We agree whatever's in that box has to be very crucial to keep quiet or away from the CIA's clutches. Something heavy that would be easily traceable - gold or something similarly heavy & expensive....

A dirty bomb or some other WMD maybe but whatever it is, if it is something so technologically advanced or expensive to lose I'm struggling with why they didn't move it as soon as they had worries the CIA were onto the tailor.

probably because it's so important- thats why they didn't want to move it. if you had something that important would you want to be moving it around where you might be seen doing so, or if it's vulnerable to capture?

if it's a nuke, may I ask why you would go off the series so quickly? why is that so different from a dirty bomb? (besides unlike a "dirty bomb" a nuke has actually been tested, whereas a dirty bomb remains something of a theoretical invention to this point.)

Mainly because the show has nigh on effectively morphed into 24 if they bring the 'theres a nuke, we have to stop it' plot line.

In which case you might as well just ressurect 24, because Jack Bauer almost crys as much as Carrie does just with guns and torture and all round arse-kicking.

I do like homeland, but this episode was really the first one where I did think...this is getting silly. With the roboterrorist fake SWAT squad. Up until now, the only real terrorist network we knew about was Brody, the reporter woman, and overseas terrorists like Abul Nazir and his network/Hezzbolah/Hamas etc.

Now suddenly they have up to 10 well armed, well trained terriorists with automatic guns, and body armour pop up out of nowhere.

Which begs the question again, why on earth did they get brody to move the tailor guy, using one of their deep undercover assets, when they have access to now all these over resources? (It might be a setup and they wanted to kill him of course, but surely they could just assassinate him anytime they wanted).

The first series was very focused and personal. Brody wanted revenge on Walden for killng Isa. Now since the end of series one that link has been broken, so Brody just seems like a loose end. Does he still beleive in anything which he's doing, or is he just trapped?

That's what bothers me too. It was just so messy getting Brody to do it, although Roya did tell him at the time that as the Tailor knew him already it was easier, also of course the terror SWAT team may not have been in the USA then

Thanks for reminding me, fee. I'd totally forgotten about that bag. I presume that's where they found the link to the tailor.

Now that we know there are more of them = terrorists (Nazir's men.) One of them must have picked up Brody's tape and sent it on.

Perhaps, there's isn't a mole after all....or maybe there is.

Has it been a year already?


Casmana, I take my words back about Lewis being a bad actor.
After seeing the real and wonderful Damien Lewis on HIGNFY. I have come to the conclusion that he's excellent at portraying a puppet.

Brody hasn't been given a strong character...he's feeble and a weasel. Maybe it'll develop as the series progress.....

We don't get to see Brody working in his office either. He's either on his mobile to Carrie, his wife and...or he's sitting at his desk looking pensive.

What does a Congressman actually do, jobwise?


I'd already forgotten about the bag, Denley - the one Carrie picked up.

Roya's just a go-between, but she hinted to Brody that they (CIA) might find something...Perhaps there's a mole but not in the CIA. Weren't they the only ones that knew of Brody's arrest?

Brody asked about Quinn before he was quizzed and knifed by him. Does he know Quinn from somewhere and knew what he was capable of?

If the camera belonged to the terrorists, surely they would have switched it off beforehand or taken it with them or smashed it, if it wasn't......Unless, they didn't realise it was there and theirs.

It could be anybody's then.

Who did Brody ask about Quinn?

Yes, it's all getting confusing. Why wouldn't the tailor trust one of his own?

Even if the Swat team had just arrived in the country, the metal trunk must have been smuggled into the shop and the fake wall built before the tailor was under surveillance.

Who did Brody ask about Quinn?

He asked Carrie if Quinn was going to question him.

"Is it going to be Quinn/him? " something like that. Carrie replied "Quinn? Yes."

To make sure I'll go back and check - when I've got some time.

Not sure when. I think Brody saw Quin for the first time when he was in the interrogation room, Quinn just walked him (than stabbed) The morning after Brody askes if Quinn is around
Were you trying to establish if Quinn is mole material, RP ?

No, not really. Something made me suspect him for a moment but I'd rather Quinn wasn't a mole.

He was shot in the stomach so is likely to survive - then we'll see.

I think introducing more characters into the show makes it more interesting, not less so. tbh I found this series so far a bit limp compared with the first one, so it could have done with some livening up.

I was never a fan of 24, but I don't see how introducing a nuke into the show is intrisically silly. depends on how it's handled.

although If was a nuke, i'm not sure they'd exactly run out of the shop like that, surely they'd be a bit more careful with it?

If they didn't want the box to be found, they had 2 options. I'm just saying they took the option which was safest. As for the aftermath of that choice, well that indeed is another matter. Maybe it's what the terrorists want? Brody is going to be under some serious pressure from both sides to reveal information after this incident. Maybe the terrorists percieve Brody's access to information on the covert CIA operations against them as being limited, this incident is going to be huge and because it's all linked backed th Nazir, Brody might be forced to play a bigger 'official' roll in the operations against the terrorists.

Im still airing on the side that the box contained information vital to the terrorist network, which in the wrong hands would pretty much destroy the network.

Has the terrorist network accepted Brody's change in roll fully? Afterall he was originally a suicide bomber who was there to take out a select elite. Is he now just an information-monger to them? If it's a nuke then they wouldn't need Brody for anything other than information.

It's because he's probably sh*t scared of him.