could you build a story around that though? a search for a hard drive? just seems too abstract to me.
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Originally Posted by RecordPlayer:
“Perhaps, there's isn't a mole after all....or maybe there is.
Roya's just a go-between, but she hinted to Brody that they (CIA) might find something...Perhaps there's a mole but not in the CIA. Weren't they the only ones that knew of Brody's arrest?
”
“Perhaps, there's isn't a mole after all....or maybe there is.
Roya's just a go-between, but she hinted to Brody that they (CIA) might find something...Perhaps there's a mole but not in the CIA. Weren't they the only ones that knew of Brody's arrest?
”
After this week's (real life) news, I'm thinking maybe it isn't a mole, but a leak - the head of the CIA leaking info to his girlfriend, maybe!
Originally Posted by catsitter:
“After this week's (real life) news, I'm thinking maybe it isn't a mole, but a leak - the head of the CIA leaking info to his girlfriend, maybe!”
“After this week's (real life) news, I'm thinking maybe it isn't a mole, but a leak - the head of the CIA leaking info to his girlfriend, maybe!”
you mean Estes to Roya?
ps personally Estes is far too lazy to be a mole
Originally Posted by feeVerte:
“you mean Estes to Roya?”
“you mean Estes to Roya?
”
I wonder if Estes and Roya ever did shag?
We never saw their dinner date did we?
Originally Posted by catsitter:
“After this week's (real life) news, I'm thinking maybe it isn't a mole, but a leak - the head of the CIA leaking info to his girlfriend, maybe!”
“After this week's (real life) news, I'm thinking maybe it isn't a mole, but a leak - the head of the CIA leaking info to his girlfriend, maybe!”
I was wondering if it'd be brought up here. Interesting, isn't it?
Originally Posted by feeVerte:
“you mean Estes to Roya?
ps personally Estes is far too lazy to be a mole”
“you mean Estes to Roya?
ps personally Estes is far too lazy to be a mole”
Has Roya got a twin?
Carrie used to be in a relationship with Estes, or was it an affair?
Originally Posted by Craigywageybaby:
“It's because he's probably sh*t scared of him.”
“It's because he's probably sh*t scared of him.”
Yes, you're probably right.
Does Brody know more than he's letting on? He seems to tell Carrie what she wants to hear, but he might be scared of Quinn beating information out of him.
RP Estes said that Carrie was the reason his marriage ended
ps: Do feel free to ask me for any homeland-gossip
ps: Do feel free to ask me for any homeland-gossip
Originally Posted by RecordPlayer:
“I was wondering if it'd be brought up here. Interesting, isn't it?
Has Roya got a twin?
Carrie used to be in a relationship with Estes, or was it an affair?
Yes, you're probably right.
Does Brody know more than he's letting on? He seems to tell Carrie what she wants to hear, but he might be scared of Quinn beating information out of him.”
“I was wondering if it'd be brought up here. Interesting, isn't it?
Has Roya got a twin?
Carrie used to be in a relationship with Estes, or was it an affair?
Yes, you're probably right.
Does Brody know more than he's letting on? He seems to tell Carrie what she wants to hear, but he might be scared of Quinn beating information out of him.”
Has he told them about the encryption codes he stole from Estes' safe?
Originally Posted by EastEnder39:
“Still convinced that VP Walden's the mole.”
“Still convinced that VP Walden's the mole.”
The(or one of several) mole had to know the combination to Estes' safe, the fact that the encryptions codes for the potential targets were in there, and when Brody was due to meet Estes, so that a diversion to get Estes out of the office could be arranged. Brody didn't tell Roya about the visit. After getting the encryption codes they would need to know that they had access to the data they were going to decrypt. The mole can't be too high up or they would not know operational type details and they can't be too low down because they obviously know high up details known by Estes.
That reminds me, I can't believe that Estes hasn't got suspicious of the fact that Roya turned up to see him when Brody was in his office, now he knows they are both involved in the plot.
Originally Posted by catsitter:
“That reminds me, I can't believe that Estes hasn't got suspicious of the fact that Roya turned up to see him when Brody was in his office, now he knows they are both involved in the plot.”
“That reminds me, I can't believe that Estes hasn't got suspicious of the fact that Roya turned up to see him when Brody was in his office, now he knows they are both involved in the plot.”
I suspect you're missing the point.
Originally Posted by EastEnder39:
“Still convinced that VP Walden's the mole.”
“Still convinced that VP Walden's the mole.”
Why his part in the drone strike then if so?
Originally Posted by Casmana:
“Why his part in the drone strike then if so?”
“Why his part in the drone strike then if so?”
Also, why would he be in the bunker with Brody when he was planning to blow them all up?
Anyone else think Brody is playing them like a fiddle? Just wondering if the giving up in the interrogation was just too convenient and this has has been planned all along to get someone on the inside. Was a bit naive to take him to the office where they're based for this op as well, he looked at all the evidence on their boards etc, perhaps that office will be next to be visited by the "SWAT" tram
Originally Posted by Red Wimp:
“Anyone else think Brody is playing them like a fiddle? Just wondering if the giving up in the interrogation was just too convenient and this has has been planned all along to get someone on the inside. Was a bit naive to take him to the office where they're based for this op as well, he looked at all the evidence on their boards etc, perhaps that office will be next to be visited by the "SWAT" tram”
“Anyone else think Brody is playing them like a fiddle? Just wondering if the giving up in the interrogation was just too convenient and this has has been planned all along to get someone on the inside. Was a bit naive to take him to the office where they're based for this op as well, he looked at all the evidence on their boards etc, perhaps that office will be next to be visited by the "SWAT" tram”
Must confess even tho I've said more than once that Brody doesn't appear to be the sharpest knife in the box , it has crossed my mind that. he could possibly be playing them like a fiddle.
The puzzling things are what keep us glued to the series surely ?
Originally Posted by blue34:
“Also, why would he be in the bunker with Brody when he was planning to blow them all up?”
“Also, why would he be in the bunker with Brody when he was planning to blow them all up?”
We (or maybe better I) still don't know whether the vest would have worked. It failed once, so it may be that it was a(n intentional) dud.
Originally Posted by Wouter:
“We (or maybe better I) still don't know whether the vest would have worked. It failed once, so it may be that it was a(n intentional) dud.”
“We (or maybe better I) still don't know whether the vest would have worked. It failed once, so it may be that it was a(n intentional) dud.”
That has been my thoughts all along...In the finale of the first season, Walden's chief Gaines was shot and killed by Walker,when supposedly Walden was the intended target. Was she the target all along? We've already established that Walker never misses. This allowed Walden and his people along with Brody to rush to a safe room for the destined vest fail. Did Walden arrange this? Maybe Gaines found out who Brody really was and she became collateral damage in his cunning plan...
We all have been led to believe that Walden is the potential target of Nazir? But......could all this be staged by Mr Nazir. Was Nazir's son collateral damage for a bigger plan?
Just speculating....
Originally Posted by nomad2king:
“Has he told them about the encryption codes he stole from Estes' safe?
The(or one of several) mole had to know the combination to Estes' safe, the fact that the encryptions codes for the potential targets were in there, and when Brody was due to meet Estes, so that a diversion to get Estes out of the office could be arranged. Brody didn't tell Roya about the visit. After getting the encryption codes they would need to know that they had access to the data they were going to decrypt. The mole can't be too high up or they would not know operational type details and they can't be too low down because they obviously know high up details known by Estes.”
“Has he told them about the encryption codes he stole from Estes' safe?
The(or one of several) mole had to know the combination to Estes' safe, the fact that the encryptions codes for the potential targets were in there, and when Brody was due to meet Estes, so that a diversion to get Estes out of the office could be arranged. Brody didn't tell Roya about the visit. After getting the encryption codes they would need to know that they had access to the data they were going to decrypt. The mole can't be too high up or they would not know operational type details and they can't be too low down because they obviously know high up details known by Estes.”
Roya was the one who set it up so Brody could be alone in Estes office.
Originally Posted by EastEnder39:
“We all have been led to believe that Walden is the potential target of Nazir? But......could all this be staged by Mr Nazir. Was Nazir's son collateral damage for a bigger plan?
Just speculating....”
“We all have been led to believe that Walden is the potential target of Nazir? But......could all this be staged by Mr Nazir. Was Nazir's son collateral damage for a bigger plan?
Just speculating....”
There must have been a plan which existed during the eight years Brody was incarcerated but when it came to pass that AN wanted his son to be taught by Brody that was a seperate and genuine issue don't you think ?
I don't think AN could have anticipated how fond Brody would become of Issa?
Originally Posted by Casmana:
“There must have been a plan which existed during the eight years Brody was incarcerated but when it came to pass that AN wanted his son to be taught by Brody that was a seperate and genuine issue don't you think ?
I don't think AN could have anticipated how fond Brody would become of Issa?”
“There must have been a plan which existed during the eight years Brody was incarcerated but when it came to pass that AN wanted his son to be taught by Brody that was a seperate and genuine issue don't you think ?
I don't think AN could have anticipated how fond Brody would become of Issa?”
Who knows.
When Carrie was interrogating(if you want to call it that) Brody, she said that AN broke him piece by piece and re-built him into a completely new person. I have a theory and it may well be well wide of the mark so here goes....
Abu Nazir allowed Brody to get close to his son...almost as if he was grooming him and allowing Brody to develops feelings for his son, before the drones hit. Some will say Abu Nazir would have to be pretty callous to sacrifice his own son....But, in the scheme of things, I don't think that is a massive stretch. Was Isa even his son? Hmmmm.
The US drone strikes could all be a convenient cover story...Allow your captive to develop strong feelings for the boy, only to then take his love and affection away from him, turn it to hatred and vengeance once he has been converted....Abu Nazir's plan is then in place to destroy the US....Potentially with Walden as part of the plan all along. This is the guy who orchestrated the bombing that killed Isa, under the orders of Abu Nazir perhaps.
OK but I'd have to be convinced that Issa wasn't Nazir's son before I could go along with the rest of it .
Originally Posted by Casmana:
“OK but I'd have to be convinced that Issa wasn't Nazir's son before I could go along with the rest of it .”
“OK but I'd have to be convinced that Issa wasn't Nazir's son before I could go along with the rest of it .”
Me too.....But, it is certainly a possibility..
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