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Homeland on Ch4 (UK Pace) - No Spoilers!
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barnsleykeith
06-03-2012
Originally Posted by Miss N:
“Hi, I missed Sunday's episode and don't like watching it via my laptop...does anyone know if it gets repeated during the week and when? Thanks.”

It's repeated the following Monday. ie Yesterday. So you are out of luck I'm afraid.

It's available on 4OD for another 27 days. If you change your mind

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/homeland/4od
LostFool
06-03-2012
Originally Posted by Miss N:
“Hi, I missed Sunday's episode and don't like watching it via my laptop...does anyone know if it gets repeated during the week and when? Thanks.”

I think it's repeated on a Monday - so you've already missed it.

Have you tried connecting your laptop to your TV and watching online that way?
Denley
06-03-2012
Originally Posted by LostFool:
“I think it's repeated on a Monday - so you've already missed it.

Have you tried connecting your laptop to your TV and watching online that way?”

I do that - I hate watching on my laptop too.
Golem Xof
06-03-2012
I think that Brody has been turned by the terrorists but doesn't fully know it. ie he thinks that he partly capitulated but mostly resisted and is now free of them, but actually they could make him do their bidding when required.

Also, I don't think it is as simple as Nazir and the terrorists turning him to use in a plot against the US. The plan is probably being run by people inside the CIA and elsewhere. I reckon that Saul and Virgil are involved and they are manipulating Carrie because her investigations into Nazir and Brody are somehow necessary to work their plan.
tealady
06-03-2012
Originally Posted by RecordPlayer:
“Was Brody a prisoner all of the time?”

Are Brody's flashbacks real or imagined? Do they represent what actually happened? Or are they in part a manifestation of the inner guilt he feels from surviving whilst his fellow prisoner died?
Denley
06-03-2012
Originally Posted by tealady:
“Are Brody's flashbacks real or imagined? Do they represent what actually happened? Or are they in part a manifestation of the inner guilt he feels from surviving whilst his fellow prisoner died?”

I'm hoping they're real - otherwise it'll really do my head in
barnsleykeith
06-03-2012
Originally Posted by tealady:
“Are Brody's flashbacks real or imagined? Do they represent what actually happened? Or are they in part a manifestation of the inner guilt he feels from surviving whilst his fellow prisoner died?”

Originally Posted by Denley:
“I'm hoping they're real - otherwise it'll really do my head in ”

Brody's flashbacks are the only clue we have to what happened to him. If he is imagining things, then all we know about his time in captivity goes out the window!!!!
LostFool
06-03-2012
Originally Posted by Golem Xof:
“I think that Brody has been turned by the terrorists but doesn't fully know it. ie he thinks that he partly capitulated but mostly resisted and is now free of them, but actually they could make him do their bidding when required.

Also, I don't think it is as simple as Nazir and the terrorists turning him to use in a plot against the US. The plan is probably being run by people inside the CIA and elsewhere. I reckon that Saul and Virgil are involved and they are manipulating Carrie because her investigations into Nazir and Brody are somehow necessary to work their plan.”

Very interesting theories...

One thing is for certain. Nothing is as simple as it seems - and that includes the flashbacks/hallucination/dreams.
Miss N
06-03-2012
Originally Posted by barnsleykeith:
“It's repeated the following Monday. ie Yesterday. So you are out of luck I'm afraid.

It's available on 4OD for another 27 days. If you change your mind

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/homeland/4od”

Oh, can't believe I missed it last night as well..
Miss N
06-03-2012
Originally Posted by LostFool:
“I think it's repeated on a Monday - so you've already missed it.

Have you tried connecting your laptop to your TV and watching online that way?”

I didn't realise I could do that. Husband tells me I need a certain lead to connect it...

Thanks for advice.
highnal
06-03-2012
Originally Posted by Miss N:
“I didn't realise I could do that. Husband tells me I need a certain lead to connect it...

Thanks for advice.”

HDMI cable.
Like:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wired--up-v1...1076872&sr=1-1
barnsleykeith
06-03-2012
Originally Posted by highnal:
“HDMI cable.
Like:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wired--up-v1...1076872&sr=1-1”

Not all laptops have an HDMI out though. My daughter uses D-Sub(VGA)cable to use her TV as a monitor.
Denley
06-03-2012
Originally Posted by tealady:
“Are Brody's flashbacks real or imagined? Do they represent what actually happened? Or are they in part a manifestation of the inner guilt he feels from surviving whilst his fellow prisoner died?”

Originally Posted by barnsleykeith:
“Brody's flashbacks are the only clue we have to what happened to him. If he is imagining things, then all we know about his time in captivity goes out the window!!!!”

Originally Posted by LostFool:
“Very interesting theories...

One thing is for certain. Nothing is as simple as it seems - and that includes the flashbacks/hallucination/dreams.”

Hmmm, well that's given me some food for thought. I'm not sure it'll do me any good going down that path though - I'll just have to see how it pans out.

Off to pick Miss D up from work - see you some other time you head messers.
barnsleykeith
06-03-2012
Originally Posted by Denley:
“Hmmm, well that's given me some food for thought. I'm not sure it'll do me any good going down that path though - I'll just have to see how it pans out.

Off to pick Miss D up from work - see you some other time you head messers. ”

Drive carefully. Give my regards to the future Mrs D
Denley
07-03-2012
Originally Posted by barnsleykeith:
“Drive carefully. Give my regards to the future Mrs D”

I like that phrase, will do BK. Goodnight
tealady
07-03-2012
Originally Posted by barnsleykeith:
“Brody's flashbacks are the only clue we have to what happened to him. If he is imagining things, then all we know about his time in captivity goes out the window!!!!”

Given that this is a 10 or 12 episode series, there has to be enough ambiguity for us to be constantly wondering whether Brody is a mole, otherwise I'll not sure how they will sustain it.
To take the flashback where he punches his fellow captive. Did he actually do it, or did he refuse to do something or tell something to the captors and as a result, his mate was beaten up? So he feels responsible: it is as if he did actually did throw the punch, so he imagines he did.
After all if 8 years in captivity doesn't [censored] mess with your head, I'd be surprised.

Don't forget Carrie's paranoid delusions - only believe them if someone else can verfiy them
gemma-the-husky
07-03-2012
Originally Posted by tealady:
“Given that this is a 10 or 12 episode series, there has to be enough ambiguity for us to be constantly wondering whether Brody is a mole, otherwise I'll not sure how they will sustain it.
To take the flashback where he punches his fellow captive. Did he actually do it, or did he refuse to do something or tell something to the captors and as a result, his mate was beaten up? So he feels responsible: it is as if he did actually did throw the punch, so he imagines he did.
After all if 8 years in captivity doesn't [censored] mess with your head, I'd be surprised.

Don't forget Carrie's paranoid delusions - only believe them if someone else can verfiy them ”

I thought he killed his mate, and had to bury him. They showed that, didn't they?

re 8 years. Terry Waite, John McCarthy. Brits are obviously sterner stuff.
Normandie
07-03-2012
Originally Posted by gemma-the-husky:
“Terry Waite, John McCarthy. Brits are obviously sterner stuff.”

Yeah, but on arrival, they got time away from the real world (at RAF Lyneham) and bucketloads of support from counselling etc. Which is one of the plot holes in this show for me - "war hero" returns and within a day or two is back with his family without any provision to keep reporters off his street / away from his neighbourhood. I just don't see it. His wife didn't even seem to have time off work. (And yes, I know they're in financial difficulties but even so... )

But it is making good telly.
gemma-the-husky
07-03-2012
Originally Posted by Normandie:
“Yeah, but on arrival, they got time away from the real world (at RAF Lyneham) and bucketloads of support from counselling etc. Which is one of the plot holes in this show for me - "war hero" returns and within a day or two is back with his family without any provision to keep reporters off his street / away from his neighbourhood. I just don't see it. His wife didn't even seem to have time off work. (And yes, I know they're in financial difficulties but even so... )

But it is making good telly.”

why ARE they in financial difficulties?

She is working. Did they stop paying him? presumably he gets loads of back pay now?

As for plot-holes - no way they just release him without keeping tabs on him, either.
RecordPlayer
07-03-2012
Originally Posted by barnsleykeith:
“Difficult to tell. His memory seems to be fractured. Possibly as a result of his brutal treatment. It seems certain things in the US trigger memories of his capture. Did he bury them to try and forget his brutal treatment. Or, if he has been turned, has he repressed them to keep secret what really is in his mind. So if he is questioned about his captivity, he can lie convincingly?”

Hey BK! Hi.


We're given just enough information to keep us pondering...lol

Don't soldiers go through special exercises just in case they're caught - like how to deal with torture, endurance, etc?
At the moment we don't know how well he managed, whether he's a survivor or not. Exciting stuff.

Are you enjoying this series?


Originally Posted by barnsleykeith:
“The Brody family looked like the perfect American family didn't it. All that was missing was the dog. ”



That's often the case in American series or films....and you hardly ever see the hero/protagonist living in a dilapidated shack of a house, in a down trodden part of town.
Why's that?
RecordPlayer
07-03-2012
Originally Posted by Denley:
“

But now I've thought more about it I just think 8 years of captivity, and I presume masturbation as his only sexual release, his brain is now tuned in to thinking that's "normal" sexual behaviour. It's where he feels comfortable.

He's probably so messed up mentally he doesn't see what he did as being odd. Jess needs to put him right on this!

He will also be emotionally repressed -solitary confinement and torture will do that.

Much like him slinking off into a corner of the room seems odd to us or sleeping on the floor not the bed - to him sleeping in a bed is strange and the corner of the room to him is like sitting on his favourite comfy chair.

The same applies to his dysfunctional sexual behaviour. He needs time to adjust - and most of all him and Jess need to talk.”

Sounds about right, Denley. That's roughly how I see it.

As for Jess talking and getting along with Brody, wouldn't she have been advised on how to deal with a returning POW? Perhaps she was but we weren't shown it.

I've got a feeling that sooner or later, she's going to return to Uncle Mike.


Originally Posted by Denley:
“ I saw the washroom scene as a flashback - he was remembering himself as we saw him.That begs the question when (and what did he do) to find himself in comfortable surroundings, clean shaven and well dressed?

And it begs another question - what did he do to go back to his dishevelled state before his release? The intel about Abu Nazir that pre-empted the raid was leaked but by who and for what purpose?

Was Brody turned but repented of the change and get thrust back to his solitary and beardy ways?

or is he unrepentent? and the boogie man Carrie thinks he is...”

Yeah, It looks like he won special privileges for doing something. Praying?

It was when Brody was washing his hands that triggered off that flashback. I'm not familiar with Islamic rules about praying, but maybe they have to be clean before praying or something? That's two rituals so far... what next?

I wonder if he had a beard , but only we saw him as clean shaven in the reflection. How long does it take to grow a beard that length?

I'm not sure about the intel bit.

This is getting as bad as trying to analyse Lost.
RecordPlayer
07-03-2012
Originally Posted by tealady:
“Are Brody's flashbacks real or imagined? Do they represent what actually happened? Or are they in part a manifestation of the inner guilt he feels from surviving whilst his fellow prisoner died?”

I think they're real, tealady.
RecordPlayer
07-03-2012
Originally Posted by Denley:
“maybe he's just got a really, really bad case of stockholm syndrome?
”

That crossed my mind, too!
RecordPlayer
07-03-2012
Originally Posted by Golem Xof:
“I think that Brody has been turned by the terrorists but doesn't fully know it. ie he thinks that he partly capitulated but mostly resisted and is now free of them, but actually they could make him do their bidding when required.

Also, I don't think it is as simple as Nazir and the terrorists turning him to use in a plot against the US. The plan is probably being run by people inside the CIA and elsewhere. I reckon that Saul and Virgil are involved and they are manipulating Carrie because her investigations into Nazir and Brody are somehow necessary to work their plan.”

That's exactly the feeling I got when we saw the couple at the end of the episode. They're going to make contact with Brody and involve him in something and he'll find it difficult to refuse.....I'm probably wrong.

What about Mike - could he be involved?
barnsleykeith
07-03-2012
Originally Posted by RecordPlayer:
“Hey BK! Hi.

We're given just enough information to keep us pondering...lol

Don't soldiers go through special exercises just in case they're caught - like how to deal with torture, endurance, etc?
At the moment we don't know how well he managed, whether he's a survivor or not. Exciting stuff.

Are you enjoying this series?


That's often the case in American series or films....and you hardly ever see the hero/protagonist living in a dilapidated shack of a house, in a down trodden part of town.
Why's that?”

Hiya RP
You've been busy on here.

Loving this so far. Been waiting ages for Ch4 to air it. Well worth the wait.

Too early to say if Brody is a willing convert to the cause. Or has been brainwashed, and is acting against his will so to speak(not sure that is even possible). Marine snipers are something of an elite. But they are only human after all. But to turn someone against their own country. That's a different matter. You can force someone to do something against their will- threats to family if the person doesn't comply etc. But Brody is home now. What I'm trying to get at- I don't know what is happening yet. A week between eps is a long time.
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