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Stansfield
26-03-2012
Originally Posted by MrSuper:
“Brody has sex with Carrie. When asked if he has been unfaithful, he lies and says no and the polygraph test agrees. So he clearly knows how to pass a polygraph test.

I have no idea if Carrie had sex with Brody to trip him up at the polygraph test if push came to shove or if she genuinely fancies him and is attracted to the guy but either way it's a fabulous game of cat and mouse they're both playing with each other!

Jess, what does she do for a living? We always see her driving her kids to school or picking them up from school but what else does she do in between all that?”

They all know how to pass a polygraph test......Carrie is doing anything to get Brody, even if she has to get in the Back Seat of a Car with him.
Jess does Hot for a Living....Smokin' Hot.

Most interesting part for me, is the 'sleeper' couple, who aren't any more, a couple that is.
Knew that house was Wired up to go Boom!...and how lame was the attack on them at the end.....but who were they?

And I liked the Brody~Uncle Mike fight, but did everyone know about Him and Jess?
elfcurry
26-03-2012
Do we know the polygraph chap is 'sound'? The results are wiggly lines shown on a laptop so it's down to his interpretation of the traces and just in case someone else might challenge him, the output could have been tampered with, filtered or recorded earlier.

Or could there be some drug which helps the subject cheat? Both Saul (eventually) and Brody had the chance to take something before the test.
Stansfield
26-03-2012
Originally Posted by elfcurry:
“Do we know the polygraph chap is 'sound'? The results are wiggly lines shown on a laptop so it's down to his interpretation of the traces and just in case someone else might challenge him, the output could have been tampered with, filtered or recorded earlier.

Or could there be some drug which helps the subject cheat? Both Saul (eventually) and Brody had the chance to take something before the test.”

He did seem friendly with them.......shouldn't they have brought someone in who didn't know them, to do the test.
Residents Fan
26-03-2012
Originally Posted by elfcurry:
“Do we know the polygraph chap is 'sound'? The results are wiggly lines shown on a laptop so it's down to his interpretation of the traces and just in case someone else might challenge him, the output could have been tampered with, filtered or recorded earlier.

Or could there be some drug which helps the subject cheat? Both Saul (eventually) and Brody had the chance to take something before the test.”

It's not clear if polygraph tests are reliable, and I suspect
liars can evade detection with one if they know how it
works:

Quote:
“Polygraphs are perhaps the most controversial tool in law enforcement. Some states and federal court judges now accept lie-detector results, but many states ban them outright. A 1998 Supreme Court decision allowed such bans, but read in part, "There is simply no consensus that polygraph evidence is reliable: The scientific community and the state and federal courts are extremely polarized on the matter."”

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...9-09-lie_x.htm
elfcurry
26-03-2012
Originally Posted by MrSuper:
“Brody has sex with Carrie. When asked if he has been unfaithful, he lies and says no and the polygraph test agrees. So he clearly knows how to pass a polygraph test.”

Why did he say no? He takes a huge unnecessary risk by saying no when saying yes would be of no consequence to the CIA, the Marines or national security and surely he'd guess Carrie would be made aware of his answers.

He's not stupid so why lie about something when he didn't need to? This has to be significant.
barnsleykeith
26-03-2012
Originally Posted by elfcurry:
“Why did he say no? He takes a huge unnecessary risk by saying no when saying yes would be of no consequence to the CIA, the Marines or national security and surely he'd guess Carrie would be made aware of his answers.

He's not stupid so why lie about something when he didn't need to? This has to be significant.”

Brody is playing cat and mouse with Carrie. He knew she was behind the glass watching. The cheating question had to come from her. He knows Carrie is on to him. He looked directly at the camera when he said no to the question. Carrie can't tell anyone he is lying and that he can beat the polygraph. She would have to explain the carpark incident then.
TOONARMY12
26-03-2012
Was going to post this but I forgot.
During last weeks episode when they went to church (when hymms were being sung there was a woman in front of Brody and family , so you couldnt see if he was singing or not). Just wondered if this was deliberate or not , Im thinking in terms of his conversion (ie would he still participate in Christian practises anymore).
Also Im a bit confused with the "sleeper couple". I presume the guy was born into a Muslim couple (but the girl is a white convert). In Muslim culture tradditionaly the men seem to have more power over women , but in this case the woman seems to be in charge , and he seems to be a bit of a pussy.
RecordPlayer
26-03-2012
Originally Posted by barnsleykeith:
“Brody is playing cat and mouse with Carrie. He knew she was behind the glass watching. The cheating question had to come from her. He knows Carrie is on to him. He looked directly at the camera when he said no to the question. Carrie can't tell anyone he is lying and that he can beat the polygraph. She would have to explain the carpark incident then.”

Yep, He knew she was watching him.

Didn't Estes instruct somebody to keep an eye on Carrie? What if he saw them both at the car park?
Mandark
26-03-2012
Originally Posted by spaniel-lover:
“I can't believe Carrie was actually planning to drive when that drunk; plus she pops pills like they're going out of fashion & has sex in public with someone she suspects is a terrorist - if real secret agents are like her then I fear for our safety....”

Yes, we have to accept that despite the pretence of partial realism, this is Hollywood fluff through and through. Even I know that agents have regular drug tests and if they use same stringent ones as in track and field, Carrie's career would have been over a long time ago. Someone's who's drug dependent could easily be blackmailed and turned. As for trying to drive when too drunk to walk with a bit of dogging on the side, well...
squadge
26-03-2012
I'm still trying to figure out the logistics of this show. Langley is in McClean or western Fairfax country in Northern Va. The houses near the airport would be further west in Loudon Country. Saul lives in DC. Not sure about Carrie but I was guessing either Old Town Alexandria or DC. I am assuming Brody is at Quantico. Marine Barracks in DC is ceremonial as is Henderson in Fairfax Country. Quantico is a good 45 minutes down I95 from DC when it is not rush hour. It is much further away from Langley. These guys are whipping around like everything is within 20 minuttes of each other at the most. Just ain't so.
Keyser Soze
26-03-2012
Originally Posted by squadge:
“I'm still trying to figure out the logistics of this show. Langley is in McClean or western Fairfax country in Northern Va. The houses near the airport would be further west in Loudon Country. Saul lives in DC. Not sure about Carrie but I was guessing either Old Town Alexandria or DC. I am assuming Brody is at Quantico. Marine Barracks in DC is ceremonial as is Henderson in Fairfax Country. Quantico is a good 45 minutes down I95 from DC when it is not rush hour. It is much further away from Langley. These guys are whipping around like everything is within 20 minuttes of each other at the most. Just ain't so.”

Everything is geographically closer in TV land.
barnsleykeith
26-03-2012
Originally Posted by squadge:
“I'm still trying to figure out the logistics of this show. Langley is in McClean or western Fairfax country in Northern Va. The houses near the airport would be further west in Loudon Country. Saul lives in DC. Not sure about Carrie but I was guessing either Old Town Alexandria or DC. I am assuming Brody is at Quantico. Marine Barracks in DC is ceremonial as is Henderson in Fairfax Country. Quantico is a good 45 minutes down I95 from DC when it is not rush hour. It is much further away from Langley. These guys are whipping around like everything is within 20 minuttes of each other at the most. Just ain't so.”

As far as I can tell episode 6 takes place over a couple of days. It starts with Carrie watching the video at night. We get Saul at Raquim's house early in the morning- you can tell by the shadows. Carrie meets Brody at the bar and it is night time. Then we see Saul at home and it is daytime again- early morning. And so on and so on.

There is no way to judge passage of time accurately on the show. It looks like there are hours and hours between scenes. Plenty of time for people to cover the miles.
barnsleykeith
26-03-2012
Originally Posted by Keyser Soze:
“Everything is geographically closer in TV land. ”

24 in real time being the classic example. Jack having a crap and charging his phone during the ad breaks for example
barnsleykeith
26-03-2012
Brody gives Mike a good kicking. And then has normal sex with Carrie(well normal compared to what has gone before!!!). Looks like he has sorted out his issues and is back on mission.

Carrie seemed to enjoy it as well. I wonder if her Brody obsession is turning into love???
lovelife7292
26-03-2012
Anyone else think Saul passed the blade to the guy who killed himself? I don't know why but i am so suspicious of him...

Also, i reckon the blonde woman in the 'sleeper couple' is an agent/ former agent, and i think she is going to play a massive part in the next few episodes and somehow linked to Saul...

LOVE THIS SHOW BTW
RecordPlayer
26-03-2012
Originally Posted by lovelife7292:
“Anyone else think Saul passed the blade to the guy who killed himself? I don't know why but i am so suspicious of him...

Also, i reckon the blonde woman in the 'sleeper couple' is an agent/ former agent, and i think she is going to play a massive part in the next few episodes and somehow linked to Saul...

LOVE THIS SHOW BTW”

Yes, I did last week. He could've slipped the blade to Hamid when he held his hands upon greeting him. I think he put it into the empty wrapper from the earpiece.

His shoe fell off at some point - maybe somebody managed to slip the blade in his shoe.....
Eagle9a
26-03-2012
I'm giving up trying to work it all out...just sit back and enjoy whatever is to come and hope I can work out the "reveal(s)" when (if) they ever arrive.

Much too confusing for my fuddled brain
fifitrixibelle
26-03-2012
Originally Posted by barnsleykeith:
“Brody gives Mike a good kicking. And then has normal sex with Carrie(well normal compared to what has gone before!!!). Looks like he has sorted out his issues and is back on mission.

Carrie seemed to enjoy it as well. I wonder if her Brody obsession is turning into love???”

But why did Brody only react to the affair then i wonder??, was it because a reaction was forced on to him in that he had to be seen doing something in the manner it was said.

Its clear he knew about it, in the conversation he had with his daughter and yet it doesn't appear to bother him with regards to Jess, its as if he has no feelings either way about her, it only appears to bother him with regards to Mikes relationship with the kids and his familiarity around his home.

Carrie's behaviour with Brody is , she is playing a very dangerous game, she is a loose cannon, if this comes to light, surely her seniors will view this as obsessive if she says it was done in the line of duty or compromising and unprofessional if she says it was personal (he is after all the "poster" boy).
RecordPlayer
26-03-2012
Originally Posted by Stansfield:
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And I liked the Brody~Uncle Mike fight, but did everyone know about Him and Jess?”

Mike probably told somebody and it got passed round, unless he was spied on.

There are moments when something triggers Brody like a remote. Perhaps it's his way of dealing with emotions ... he's in control most of the time.
barnsleykeith
26-03-2012
Originally Posted by fifitrixibelle:
“But why did Brody only react to the affair then i wonder??, was it because a reaction was forced on to him in that he had to be seen doing something in the manner it was said.

Its clear he knew about it, in the conversation he had with his daughter and yet it doesn't appear to bother him with regards to Jess, its as if he has no feelings either way about her, it only appears to bother him with regards to Mikes relationship with the kids and his familiarity around his home.

Carrie's behaviour with Brody is , she is playing a very dangerous game, she is a loose cannon, if this comes to light, surely her seniors will view this as obsessive if she says it was done in the line of duty or compromising and unprofessional if she says it was personal (he is after all the "poster" boy).”

I suppose Brody has to be careful how he behaves. Jess's infidelity clearly upsets him. And he hates Mike being the dad in the house- Chris's Karate for example. But he is trying to keep his emotions under control- and stay on mission.

Brody attacking Mike is interesting. Normally a soldier assaulting an officer would result in court martial. But Mike attacked the other guy first(I assume he was disabled in the line of duty?). So Brody had a free shot at Mike with little danger of sanctions. So he was able to let loose on Mike. Brody didn't go for the guy who talked about Jess taking it up the ass. He went for Mike when he had a chance.

Brody totally blanks Jess at times. Take the occasion when she does his tie for him. She smiles while she is tying it and clearly loves the intimacy. She says he looks very handsome. And then waits for a reply. Nothing. And the lack of warmth from her husband upsets her. But Brody seems relaxed and open with Carrie. Or as relaxed as a traitor can be with someone hunting him.

But is Brody's behaviour because of PTSD, or because he is a devout Muslim now and Jess repulses him, or because he has turned and is trying to stay on mission and keep a low profile. Maybe at times all three things are happening in his mind.
barnsleykeith
26-03-2012
Originally Posted by RecordPlayer:
“Yep, He knew she was watching him.

Didn't Estes instruct somebody to keep an eye on Carrie? What if he saw them both at the car park?”

Estes got Galvez(her partner) to report back to him about her. But I don't think she is being tailed 24/7?
Keyser Soze
26-03-2012
Originally Posted by barnsleykeith:
“Estes got Galvez(her partner) to report back to him about her. But I don't think she is being tailed 24/7?”

If she is, they'll know about her and Brody.

We don't know much about Galvez, do we?
barnsleykeith
26-03-2012
Originally Posted by Keyser Soze:
“If she is, they'll know about her and Brody.

We don't know much about Galvez, do we?”

Oh FFS!!! Not another mole suspect

His Mum is Muslim- Lebanese heritage I think? Dad is Mexican.

I wonder if Brody's handlers' are keeping tabs on him? Or is he being left well alone(assuming Carrie is right and he is a traitor- she's not the most reliable agent. Maybe, as other FMs have mentioned, she is being played???).
barnsleykeith
26-03-2012
Originally Posted by Eagle9a:
“I'm giving up trying to work it all out...just sit back and enjoy whatever is to come and hope I can work out the "reveal(s)" when (if) they ever arrive.

Much too confusing for my fuddled brain”

I'm the same Eagle. It's doing my head in. Not even sure about Brody. But he did lie during the poly......So????
RecordPlayer
26-03-2012
Originally Posted by Keyser Soze:
“If she is, they'll know about her and Brody.

We don't know much about Galvez, do we?”

He's fluent in Arabic...and Spanish. His mother's Lebanese and father is Guatemalan....

I had to go back and watch it again.

Edit- BK beat me to it!
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