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But why did Brody only react to the affair then i wonder??, was it because a reaction was forced on to him in that he had to be seen doing something in the manner it was said.
Its clear he knew about it, in the conversation he had with his daughter and yet it doesn't appear to bother him with regards to Jess, its as if he has no feelings either way about her, it only appears to bother him with regards to Mikes relationship with the kids and his familiarity around his home. So when the disabled soldier said Mike had been sleeping with Jess Brody did absolutely nothing (because he already knew) and Mike went for the disabled soldier to shut him up BUT only when Jess saw the commotion and was about to come over did Brody then go for Mike and attack him. I'm not really sure what he was trying to do there. In one sense he doesn't deem the affair important but on the other hand he needs to show - to his wife/other people? - he's willing to fight for his wife and show he cares (even if he really doesn't?). I'm so mixed up!
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Oh FFS!!! Not another mole suspect
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I did notice that myself. Brody clearly knows about Mike and Jess but has chosen not to confront them directly about it, but he knows.
So when the disabled soldier said Mike had been sleeping with Jess Brody did absolutely nothing (because he already knew) and Mike went for the disabled soldier to shut him up BUT only when Jess saw the commotion and was about to come over did Brody then go for Mike and attack him. I'm not really sure what he was trying to do there. In one sense he doesn't deem the affair important but on the other hand he needs to show - to his wife/other people? - he's willing to fight for his wife and show he cares (even if he really doesn't?). I'm so mixed up! ![]() |
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They're all potential moles at the moment.
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I did notice that myself. Brody clearly knows about Mike and Jess but has chosen not to confront them directly about it, but he knows.
So when the disabled soldier said Mike had been sleeping with Jess Brody did absolutely nothing (because he already knew) and Mike went for the disabled soldier to shut him up BUT only when Jess saw the commotion and was about to come over did Brody then go for Mike and attack him. I'm not really sure what he was trying to do there. In one sense he doesn't deem the affair important but on the other hand he needs to show - to his wife/other people? - he's willing to fight for his wife and show he cares (even if he really doesn't?). I'm so mixed up! ![]() It all appears a robotic act, he doesn't appear to have one iota of real affection for her...but goes through the motions to react as may be expected of him...but why is the question
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Yes, we have to accept that despite the pretence of partial realism, this is Hollywood fluff through and through. Even I know that agents have regular drug tests and if they use same stringent ones as in track and field, Carrie's career would have been over a long time ago. Someone's who's drug dependent could easily be blackmailed and turned. As for trying to drive when too drunk to walk with a bit of dogging on the side, well...
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Mike probably told somebody and it got passed round, unless he was spied on.
There are moments when something triggers Brody like a remote. Perhaps it's his way of dealing with emotions ... he's in control most of the time. the truth, otherwise he would have thumped him instead of Mike. |
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Deliberately painted like this by the writers? To confuse us. Maybe they studied under Søren Sveistrup
![]() ![]() ![]() I think if Brody is a danger, he's playing a long game. His target will be something or someone important (such as the President) or he will follow his orders (if he has any) at a high profile event. If he's been 'turned', he will have been trained for something spectacular. Carrie is already flaky. Her mental state is worsening. She's in love with Brody already, which means she can't think objectively about him. Her employers don't know about her condition, which surely won't help should they discover it. How long can she contain her problems? I love how the show keeps you guessing. Things are clearly (or unclearly) not as they seem.
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Yes. Suspect everyone. Much more fun to watch.
![]() I think if Brody is a danger, he's playing a long game. His target will be something or someone important (such as the President) or he will follow his orders (if he has any) at a high profile event. If he's been 'turned', he will have been trained for something spectacular. Carrie is already flaky. Her mental state is worsening. She's in love with Brody already, which means she can't think objectively about him. Her employers don't know about her condition, which surely won't help should they discover it. How long can she contain her problems? I love how the show keeps you guessing. Things are clearly (or unclearly) not as they seem. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() PS We saw him running and he stopped outside the Capitol Building. Is this his objective. To blow the place up??? |
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It all appears a robotic act, he doesn't appear to have one iota of real affection for her...but goes through the motions to react as may be expected of him...but why is the question
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Carrie is already flaky. Her mental state is worsening. She's in love with Brody already, which means she can't think objectively about him. Her employers don't know about her condition, which surely won't help should they discover it. How long can she contain her problems?
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I did notice that myself. Brody clearly knows about Mike and Jess but has chosen not to confront them directly about it, but he knows.
So when the disabled soldier said Mike had been sleeping with Jess Brody did absolutely nothing (because he already knew) and Mike went for the disabled soldier to shut him up BUT only when Jess saw the commotion and was about to come over did Brody then go for Mike and attack him. I'm not really sure what he was trying to do there. In one sense he doesn't deem the affair important but on the other hand he needs to show - to his wife/other people? - he's willing to fight for his wife and show he cares (even if he really doesn't?). I'm so mixed up! ![]() However! He probably can't accept it when it is pulled into the open by someone else, particularly as crudely as it was. So he punched the guy who made the comments but he letting go like that allowed him the luxury of lashing out at Mike... whom he possibly really blames for the affair. Because Mike was a mate and shouldn't have hit on Jess... though for all we know, Jess may have hit on him. However, he may also be really pissed at Uncle Mike because Mike was there for his kids and that may hurt even more. You know, if Brody has been prepared for something major, perhaps - as part of the brainwashing / indoctrination - the baddies had his family under surveillance so as part of breaking him down, they could shop him photos of Mike with Jess and the kids. That would be a powerful weapon in breaking someone.* But as with other things Homeland, I'm probably over-thinking! * ETA - and, reading back, I see Fifitrixiebelle has also suggested this. |
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Carrie isn't in love with Brody! What has she done to show she's fallen in love with him? She's obsessed yes, but to say she's in love is a huge over-reaction.
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That's how it appears to me.
Carrie isn't in love with Brody! What has she done to show she's fallen in love with him? She's obsessed yes, but to say she's in love is a huge over-reaction.
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I agree. I think she's doing what she thinks she needs to do to be close to him without the luxury of authorised surveillance. I don't think she's in love with anything but her conviction that he has been turned and something bad is going to happen. She's a skilled agent (judging by the bits of her backstory that we've been given) and she can fake attraction. Do I recollect correctly that she indicated she'd sleep with Saul if he gave her the surveillance authorisation she wanted?
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I think she is.
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You guys are so gonna love the next few episodes. One part especially is gonna blow your hair right back with surprise.
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I have just watched episode 7 & wow!!! Won't give anything away, but it is not to be missed.
Keyser, I don't think Carrie is in love with anyone. We know from scenes already played out in the series that she will a) use sex to get what she wants (Saul incident) and b) thinks nothing of picking up strangers to satisfy a physical urge. The scene last night in the back of her car may not have been planned, but she took the opportunity and used it to her advantage - as we saw later. As for Brody passing the polygraph. Not that I believe this for one moment, but it is possible he is one of those drunks who totally blacks out and can't remember what he did the night before. I wonder if we get to find out where he spent the night? We are pretty divided in this house as to whether Brody has been turned. I think not, my flatmate has believed so from the beginning...I just hope the ending is a satisfactory conclusion for us both ![]() Quote:
I did notice that myself. Brody clearly knows about Mike and Jess but has chosen not to confront them directly about it, but he knows.
So when the disabled soldier said Mike had been sleeping with Jess Brody did absolutely nothing (because he already knew) and Mike went for the disabled soldier to shut him up BUT only when Jess saw the commotion and was about to come over did Brody then go for Mike and attack him. I'm not really sure what he was trying to do there. In one sense he doesn't deem the affair important but on the other hand he needs to show - to his wife/other people? - he's willing to fight for his wife and show he cares (even if he really doesn't?). I'm so mixed up! ![]() @Keyser. I really see no indication of Carrie being in love with Brody. Maybe that will develop later on in the series, as your repeated assertion and wink kind of implies, but as we are discussing current episodes only, let's not get ahead of ourselves. |
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We'll see.
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Yes. Suspect everyone. Much more fun to watch.
I think if Brody is a danger, he's playing a long game. His target will be something or someone important (such as the President) or he will follow his orders (if he has any) at a high profile event. If he's been 'turned', he will have been trained for something spectacular.Carrie is already flaky. Her mental state is worsening. She's in love with Brody already, which means she can't think objectively about him. Her employers don't know about her condition, which surely won't help should they discover it. How long can she contain her problems? I love how the show keeps you guessing. Things are clearly (or unclearly) not as they seem. ![]() |
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Agree with that.....I for one haven't completely ruled Carrie out.....do we know what exactly the "mistake" was that she made when in (?) Iraq...and was it a mistake and what I can not for the life of me understand is why she named her source/informant.....of course on the other hand it could be that she did indeed make a costly mistake and could explain her over-zelous and obssessive behaviour to get things 'right' this time.
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Carrie told Saul she made a mistake 10 years ago. Saul responded by saying we all made mistakes(about that). So I assumed Carrie missed something about 9/11 and it still haunts her to this day?
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Ahhh, thankyou....so it is possible it wasn't a "mistake" ?
![]() Carrie-I missed something once before. I won't, I can't let that happen again Saul-That was ten years ago. Everyone missed something on that day Carrie- Everyone's not me. |
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We'll see.
Carrie may not be in love with Brody, yet, but I think she will be. |
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But is Brody's behaviour because of PTSD, or because he is a devout Muslim now and Jess repulses him, or because he has turned and is trying to stay on mission and keep a low profile. Maybe at times all three things are happening in his mind.
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If he was a devout Muslim, would he drink Bourbon and have sex in the car with Carrie, though?
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If he was a devout Muslim, would he drink Bourbon and have sex in the car with Carrie, though?
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I don't think Brody is that bothered personally about Jessica having an affair with Mike, but he is bothered about other people knowing about the affair - because that dents his pride. I think that Carrie may be one of those women with a male view of sex, ie can separate sex from love.
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