I did notice that myself. Brody clearly knows about Mike and Jess but has chosen not to confront them directly about it, but he knows.

So when the disabled soldier said Mike had been sleeping with Jess Brody did absolutely nothing (because he already knew) and Mike went for the disabled soldier to shut him up BUT only when Jess saw the commotion and was about to come over did Brody then go for Mike and attack him. I'm not really sure what he was trying to do there.

In one sense he doesn't deem the affair important but on the other hand he needs to show - to his wife/other people? - he's willing to fight for his wife and show he cares (even if he really doesn't?). I'm so mixed up!

They're all potential moles at the moment.

It's as if he was trying to hurt Jess as well as Mike? He told MIke ''you were my friend'' when he was beating him up. So I think he hates them both now because of their betrayal. But if he is a traitor, he has to behave as the family man for whatever his mission is.

Deliberately painted like this by the writers? To confuse us. Maybe they studied under Søren Sveistrup

Yep, thats how I see it. I wonder if this info. was given to him in captivity.....it's almost as if he has trained himself to think of what they did as inconsequential in the scheme of things (if he has been turned or if it's simply just his way of dealing with it) maybe Jess is 'dead' in his eyes, she seems mostly to be invisible to him (though IMO he has shown his digust and real opinion of her in the bedroom scenes)......

It all appears a robotic act, he doesn't appear to have one iota of real affection for her...but goes through the motions to react as may be expected of him...but why is the question

You wouldn't normally give a show with an alien and a talking
fish points for realism, but in the "American Dad" ep
"Joint Custody" Roger correctly pointed out that if Stan was caught driving while stoned, his CIA career would be over.



Brody must have known the potty-mouthed guy was telling
the truth, otherwise he would have thumped him instead
of Mike.

Yes. Suspect everyone. Much more fun to watch.

I think if Brody is a danger, he's playing a long game. His target will be something or someone important (such as the President) or he will follow his orders (if he has any) at a high profile event. If he's been 'turned', he will have been trained for something spectacular.

Carrie is already flaky. Her mental state is worsening. She's in love with Brody already, which means she can't think objectively about him. Her employers don't know about her condition, which surely won't help should they discover it. How long can she contain her problems?

I love how the show keeps you guessing. Things are clearly (or unclearly) not as they seem.

I thought straight from the off that Brody was a traitor. What's the point of the story if not. Then I thought maybe not. It's all in Crazy Carrie's mind and she has been set up by the death row prisoner. But Brody lied in the polygraph test. So not sure either way now.

PS
We saw him running and he stopped outside the Capitol Building. Is this his objective. To blow the place up???

That's how it appears to me.


Carrie isn't in love with Brody! What has she done to show she's fallen in love with him? She's obsessed yes, but to say she's in love is a huge over-reaction.

Putting aside what may be going on in his brain if he has been turned, I think he probably doesn't blame Jess for having an affair when he's been gone for 8 years. How long was she supposed to wait? If he loves her, perhaps he can accept that intellectually.

However! He probably can't accept it when it is pulled into the open by someone else, particularly as crudely as it was. So he punched the guy who made the comments but he letting go like that allowed him the luxury of lashing out at Mike... whom he possibly really blames for the affair. Because Mike was a mate and shouldn't have hit on Jess... though for all we know, Jess may have hit on him. However, he may also be really pissed at Uncle Mike because Mike was there for his kids and that may hurt even more.

You know, if Brody has been prepared for something major, perhaps - as part of the brainwashing / indoctrination - the baddies had his family under surveillance so as part of breaking him down, they could shop him photos of Mike with Jess and the kids. That would be a powerful weapon in breaking someone.*

But as with other things Homeland, I'm probably over-thinking!

* ETA - and, reading back, I see Fifitrixiebelle has also suggested this.

I agree. I think she's doing what she thinks she needs to do to be close to him without the luxury of authorised surveillance. I don't think she's in love with anything but her conviction that he has been turned and something bad is going to happen. She's a skilled agent (judging by the bits of her backstory that we've been given) and she can fake attraction. Do I recollect correctly that she indicated she'd sleep with Saul if he gave her the surveillance authorisation she wanted?

I think she is.

I don't think it as all an act- Carrie with Brody. They are both damaged goods. I think she enjoys his company and likes him. But she will take him down if/when she gets the chance. But she is clearly obsessed with him. And when does obsession turn into obsessive love?

I'm not sure, yet. But I can see where you are coming from.

No need for posts like these, it isn't as if we need encouragement to tune in

Keyser, I don't think Carrie is in love with anyone. We know from scenes already played out in the series that she will a) use sex to get what she wants (Saul incident) and b) thinks nothing of picking up strangers to satisfy a physical urge. The scene last night in the back of her car may not have been planned, but she took the opportunity and used it to her advantage - as we saw later.

As for Brody passing the polygraph. Not that I believe this for one moment, but it is possible he is one of those drunks who totally blacks out and can't remember what he did the night before. I wonder if we get to find out where he spent the night?

We are pretty divided in this house as to whether Brody has been turned. I think not, my flatmate has believed so from the beginning...I just hope the ending is a satisfactory conclusion for us both


EDIT: I forgot to comment on this previously. Seeing how deliberate his actions were, I felt that possibly Brody intended to push Jess back into Mike's arms.

@Keyser. I really see no indication of Carrie being in love with Brody. Maybe that will develop later on in the series, as your repeated assertion and wink kind of implies, but as we are discussing current episodes only, let's not get ahead of ourselves.

We'll see.

Agree with that.....I for one haven't completely ruled Carrie out.....do we know what exactly the "mistake" was that she made when in (?) Iraq...and was it a mistake and what I can not for the life of me understand is why she named her source/informant.....of course on the other hand it could be that she did indeed make a costly mistake and could explain her over-zelous and obssessive behaviour to get things 'right' this time.

Carrie told Saul she made a mistake 10 years ago. Saul responded by saying we all made mistakes(about that). So I assumed Carrie missed something about 9/11 and it still haunts her to this day?

Ahhh, thankyou....so it is possible it wasn't a "mistake" ?

I can't remember which episode the 'missed something'' scene was in. But the conversation is repeated in the opening montage at the start of every ep.

Carrie-I missed something once before. I won't, I can't let that happen again

Saul-That was ten years ago. Everyone missed something on that day

Carrie- Everyone's not me.

I'm with you on this one, Keyser.

Carrie may not be in love with Brody, yet, but I think she will be.

If he was a devout Muslim, would he drink Bourbon and have sex in the car with Carrie, though?

I asked about this earlier on in the thread. Could he be devout and do these things to maintain some sort of cover, if he has been turned. Being a double agent you have to blend in. Or does he pray like a Muslim does because he likes to do it that way? I suppose either could be possible.

I thought the same regarding the alcohol.

I don't think Brody is that bothered personally about Jessica having an affair with Mike, but he is bothered about other people knowing about the affair - because that dents his pride. I think that Carrie may be one of those women with a male view of sex, ie can separate sex from love.