That wasn't the point. Though given she is coercing her sister to do something illegal and taken her father's POM without permission, I don't assume no laws have been broken by Carrie either.



Yep, that was the point. We already know Estes doesn't trust Carrie, there is no realistic way he wouldn't follow this up. Ofcourse, the line to the effect of "we flunk at this test" said between Carrie and Saul suggests both have a history of failure when it comes to the polygraph, so that may be all the conclusion the viewer gets.

I agree, especially regarding Saul. It's not clear whether he did slip Hamid the razor blade and lied about it, or whether the tech's interpretation of the first test is correct (that he was too keyed up and it was a false positive).

FWIW I very much doubt Saul or Estes is 'the mole'. Saul I would immediately rule out because it would completely contradict the character they've established i.e. Jewish, married to an Indian woman, ready to relocate to be with her, father figure/mentor to Carrie. Estes may be keeping a few secrets or doing suspicious things, but that probably reflects the fact that he has seniority and is privy to more classified information. A mole is more likely to be someone who has access to senior figures in the CIA, but isn't someone important themselves.

that made me laugh

Reminds me of the time in Libya where a reporter
entered a room supposedly belonging
to Colonel Gaddafi's daughter Hana:


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...ry?INTCMP=SRCH

BK, what do you make of Aileen's comment about Guantanamo ? When Raquim told her they didn't break any law, she replied "Try telling that to the guys in Guantanamo."

Did she help Racquim escape from there or has she 'turned'? I'm hoping to understand something about them before Sunday.

Maybe somebody else has an idea?

I think Aileen and Raquim were involved in some sort of mission. An attack of some sort. She had been radicalised during her travels in the Middle East. And Raquim was the same. But she appears to have been the leader. He was following her lead. I think she mentioned Guantanamo because Raquim was being naive. Thinking they could hand themselves in. He said they hadn't done anything illegal, Just bought a house. This tells me he had no idea of the actual mission. Or he was stupid. Now Aileen could be unaware of the actual mission. She was ordered to buy the house and set up a happy home, to wait for......? Or she could have full knowledge of the op. We shall see. But she knew where the orders came from. That's why she is so scared.

Now is the House linked to the Brody plot? That is the interesting thing. Or is Brody being set up. And is he some kind of diversion for something else? I'm not sure about Carrie's tipoff. But then why did Brody lie in the polygraph test? Can't make my mind up. Can see it going either way.

Thing is do we want Brody to be the good guy. And he and Carrie join forces to stop the real bad guys. Or do we want Brody to be the Black Hat? And he and Carrie have a kind of High Noon showdown?

Further to the above

Aileen knew where the safe house was located. Raquim had no idea where they were going. Just one example of her being the leader.

Aileen spots the fresh tyre tracks outside the house and grows suspicious. Somebody has been there recently. Raquim hasn't a clue about the sort of trouble they are in.

Thanks for clearing that up. I thought they might have been connected with Guantanamo in some way... especially when she mentioned torture. I agree, she's terrified..... Raquim's dead and she's on the run...
Raquim was visibly annoyed that she kept 'secrets' from him

No idea at the moment if there's a connection with Brody and the house/Aileen. - It's hard to tell. Somethings brewing and it's not the tea.

I think Brody lied in the polygraph test to show Carrie that he could, or perhaps he wanted to test her, to see if she would tell.

I'd prefer Brody to be a hero than a foe. Carrie can have a Highnoon show down with Mike.

I'm not altogether sure just how radicalised Raquim was. I rather got the impression he had got in over his head due to his feelings for Aileen. He was doing this for her - didn't she even say something to suggest that she had got him involved? He certainly didn't seem to have much of a clue about anything, which would suggest that she was the one that had the training etc. I suspect that without Aileen he would just have continued lecturing at university and would never have embarked upon any sort of mission (however anti-American/anti-Western he may have felt in his heart).

I wonder who these people are. They seemed to be one step ahead of them every time.

I'm too tired to think anymore I'm off to bed. Goodnight.

Somebody mention tea? I'll pop the kettle on. Who wants a brew?

Raquim was pissed about all the secrets. But forgave her. Shows how much he loved her. But did Aileen have the same feelings for him. Or was she just using him.

I like the idea of Brody lying to test Carrie. If she had grassed on him he could have said so what. It doesn't matter. It's not a national security matter. If this is the reason for lying, it could mean he hasn't been turned. I like that. But that means Hamid got the blade from somewhere else.

Goodnight RP.(whispers emoticon)

Aileen and Raquim were friends from childhood. They met up again later in Saudi(can't remember the dates). Seeing as she is the strong one it does look like he followed her. She said sorry to him in the car. For getting him into this(whatever this is?). But he said he dragged himself into it. A victim of her fabulousness. But he got pissed at her when he found out about all her secrets. Raquim still wanted to turn themselves in at the end. Aileen said no. She'd rather die. Raquim gets plugged. She does a runner.

If Aileen was playing Raquim she was very good at it. I get a sense of love between them. This is in stark contrast to the way Brody treats Jess. Even if he is still true to his flag, and has been through hell, and she shagged his best mate and gave up on him, it doesn't excuse the way he treats her.

The next 2 shows change the whole season from a fairly good one to a great one. Definitely not to be missed.

I only discovered this show a few days ago and we're hooked!! Thank heavens for 4OD to catch up!

I think maybe the CIA colleague (the one asked to spy on her) might be involved? He was in the car with Carrie when they followed Raquim. It would be nice to have a thriller on TV that wasn't an inside job though!

Anyone else notice the date on Aileen's mug shot was 7th July 2005? And she was in the UK at the time? Made me shiver.

I thought quite the opposite, I don't want to give anything away but It was at this point that for me it went downhill.

I can't wait

On another point does anyone else think that Brody maybe got Carrie drunk on purpose, she then spilled the beans about the lie detector test and he was prepared for it and knew what to expect. Brody is a smart cookie. He called her up in the bar after he knew there was going to be a lie detector test the next day and said he wouldn't be able to take it as his head was all over the place.

I also thought maybe Carrie, drunk though she was (or appeared to be) tipped him off on purpose about the reason for the polygraph test to see how he would react!

[quote=Normandie;57326779]"I agree. I think she's doing what she thinks she needs to do to be close to him without the luxury of authorised surveillance. I don't think she's in love with anything but her conviction that he has been turned and something bad is going to happen. She's a skilled agent (judging by the bits of her backstory that we've been given) and she can fake attraction"


I'm kind of disappointed that Carrie and Brody didn't develop more of an emotional attachment over a bit longer before having sex and that it wouldn't have been quite so "wham bam"
Not so much for "romantic" reasons but more because it would have presented some interesting dynamics in Brody's relationship with Jess and also his "professional" dealings with Carrie.

I think they both had their motives. Brody's motives are unclear, maybe he sees Carrie as a weak link in the department and targeted her. Maybe he just thinks she's hot

Relating to an earlier point about everyone passing the lie detector test, Saul failed it first time. But after the news that his wife left him, he became in a state of apathy, where emotions are numbed, and thus passed the test 2nd time round with flying colours!



I can certainly see why.

I know it's far-fetched, but I'm sort of beginning to suspect that Sol may be a double agent. He speaks fluent Arabic (spoke to the prisoner) and seems to be hiding a few things.

While the Carrie character is interesting, she's the least believable of ALL the characters. Anyone with a drug problem (even over-prescribed legal drugs) would last long under CIA scrutiny. They DO constantly suspect and monitor their own agents, so it would be highly unlikely to slip through the cracks.

I also don't get why she's playing so close to fire with Brody. He seems to suspect her, but I think he's eons beyond her in common sense and basic ntelligence.

As for the Rakim-Aileen thing, I'm convinced it's the CIA itself (the rogue elements) that are after her. She's had her cover blown and they need to get rid of her.

For what it's worth, these are NOT spoilers, just my idle conjectures. This series is just fantastic and I'm so glad that Damien Lewis says there will be a second one.

Carrie's drug use is interesting. Let's assume Clozapine would result in a negative test. It's not illegal as such. But you would think a powerful anti-psychotic would set the alarm bells ringing. So she must have found a way to cheat the tests? Depends if the CIA use blood, saliva, urine or hair samples to test. I'm watching a French Police drama. One of the cops on there is a big cocaine user. He is shagging the tech who takes all the samples. She just uses a ''clean'' sample for his tests.That's how he gets clean results. I wouldn't put it past Carrie to have worked a way round the tets Maybe we will see how Carrie gets through the tests. Or it will be left for us to work it out.

I'm not It could indicate Brody hasn't been turned and half the fun of this show is in the being kept guessing.

Even worse, it could mean we won't get a conclusion at the end of this series! The relationship between Carrie and Brody seems to be developing into one where you can imagine they will work together to hunt down the baddies in the future...I don't mind that. Well, not as much as I would a romance between them. Yuck

I noticed that Damien Lewis was careful not to confirm whether the character of Brody continued into the next series or not. So I don't think any assumptions can be made about how the story will go. The next series might move on to an entirely different case.

Possibly; I guess it would depend how and when it was said. I doubt Damian - or any actor for that matter - would be interested in talking about a show they were no longer involved in. They are normally all about promoting their current/upcoming projects, not ones they are no longer involved in.