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mazzy50
01-04-2012
Originally Posted by RecordPlayer:
“I'm not sure whether to trust Eileen. Would she give Saul information that quickly? Earlier she told Saul that he didn't know her....”

I got the feeling that she is an awful lot harder and colder than Saul and the others appear to think. They all talk as if she must be a poor lonely, naive soul turned by her extremist boyfriend, but I suspect that she is the deep seated extremist.
mazzy50
01-04-2012
Originally Posted by Keyser Soze:
“I think her breaking point was hearing that the man she loved wouldn't get a decent Muslim burial if no one claimed his body. Saul read her very well and went for a softly softly approach.”

That makes sense - I had some difficulty making out everything that they said to each other, so I missed the point about him not getting a Muslim funeral and didn't pick up on how much that meant to Aileen.
RecordPlayer
01-04-2012
Originally Posted by Keyser Soze:
“I think her breaking point was hearing that the man she loved wouldn't get a decent Muslim burial if no one claimed his body. Saul read her very well and went for a softly softly approach.”

Oh, OK, I felt sorry for her then. Originally, I thought she meant that Saul didn't know what she was capable of.

If Walker was the person who warned Eileen (when she was in the first house) who told Walker to warn her? There's still a mole somewhere.

I think I'm going to have watch this again tomorrow.
barnsleykeith
01-04-2012
Originally Posted by mazzy50:
“I got the feeling that she is an awful lot harder and colder than Saul and the others appear to think. They all talk as if she must be a poor lonely, naive soul turned by her extremist boyfriend, but I suspect that she is the deep seated extremist.”

Non the wiser after all that.

So:-
Aileen is telling the truth, or lying.

Brody is not a traitor, or he is.

Walker was turned and is alive and on a mission. Or Aileen was lying to take the heat off of Brody.
Mandark
01-04-2012
Originally Posted by squadge:
“all of this carrie/brody sex is beginning to bore me.... is it supposed to represent two damaged people seeking each other out or are they playing a dangerous game and neither is actually drinking as much as the other thinks...”

It's ruined the whole show for me to be honest as it's so implausible. It's the equivalent of a detective having a fling with her prime suspect whilst still trying to put a case against him that would put then in prison. Carrie's far too driven to get into a mess like that. Having said that the show as a whole is still a decent who dunnit.
spaniel-lover
01-04-2012
Originally Posted by mazzy50:
“I thought Dana fell through the door causing the glass to break. I didn't notice anything being thrown at the door, but could easily have missed something. I have to say, it wasn't very good safety glass looking at the cut she got on her arm.”

My fiance said that she walked in to it, I must have imagined that; in future I won't watch it whilst bending my head down to eat spaghetti...
barnsleykeith
01-04-2012
Originally Posted by mazzy50:
“That makes sense - I had some difficulty making out everything that they said to each other, so I missed the point about him not getting a Muslim funeral and didn't pick up on how much that meant to Aileen.”

Subtitles are your friend
spaniel-lover
01-04-2012
Mr & Mrs Brody need to do something about their 16 year old daughter's drug taking....
MrSuper
01-04-2012
Wow, what an episode! The ending was fantastic! Who thought Walker would return back from the dead, not me! They played that game very well indeed!

I believe the POW turned is Walker but i do think there's more still to come from Brody and he isn't telling the whole story, but he was very convincing tonight! As for Aileen i believe her to be telling the truth. Based on tonight's episode no way is Saul the mole, he's one of the good guys!

Superb acting tonight from Damian Lewis and Claire Danes. Only 5 more episodes to go!
RecordPlayer
01-04-2012
Originally Posted by mazzy50:
“I got the feeling that she is an awful lot harder and colder than Saul and the others appear to think. They all talk as if she must be a poor lonely, naive soul turned by her extremist boyfriend, but I suspect that she is the deep seated extremist.”

That was my first impression. but after Keyser Soze's explanation, I'm not sure what to think.

Eileen could easily give a dead man's description.
barnsleykeith
01-04-2012
Saul tells Aileen Raquim will be buried in a potter's field if nobody comes to claim his body.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potter's_field
barnsleykeith
01-04-2012
Originally Posted by MrSuper:
“Wow, what an episode! The ending was fantastic! Who thought Walker would return back from the dead, not me! They played that game very well indeed!

I believe the POW turned is Walker but i do think there's more still to come from Brody and he isn't telling the whole story, but he was very convincing tonight! As for Aileen i believe her to be telling the truth. Based on tonight's episode no way is Saul the mole, he's one of the good guys!

Superb acting tonight from Damian Lewis and Claire Danes. Only 5 more episodes to go!”

I believed Brody and Aileen. But he is a self confessed expert liar. So not sure about him. And was Aileen allowed to escape from the Motel so she could effectively clear Brody. Or was she lucky?
Keyser Soze
01-04-2012
I wonder if Brody will go 'rogue' after this. If he is a good guy, he's just fallen for someone who he found he couldn't trust, in the same way that he got home to discover he couldn't trust his wife. What's that going to do to him?

And why was he crying out to Issa in the night?

And why is my head spinning?
RecordPlayer
01-04-2012
Originally Posted by barnsleykeith:
“Non the wiser after all that.

So:-
Aileen is telling the truth, or lying.

Brody is not a traitor, or he is.

Walker was turned and is alive and on a mission. Or Aileen was lying to take the heat off of Brody.”

Wonderfully confusing, isn't BK?
elfcurry
01-04-2012
Originally Posted by Keyser Soze:
“I recall the gravedigging, too. Maybe they messed with his head so much he believed he'd buried Walker, or it was staged to make him think that was happening, then they hoiked Walker out of the ground and to a safe place.



If Brody has been turned, he's there for a longer mission than Walker, who, by the looks of things, is out to commit a specific attack (or attacks).”

But why is everyone so ready to believe that Walker is still alive based only on an artist's impression from an unreliable/hostile witness? That's not proof he's alive.

Even if Walker is alive, why would the 'mission' require him to wander about on a roof to reccy for an assassination attempt? Any of their side could do it. And how would he enter the US, and why? If they established his 'death' isn't it risky having him walking around where he might be recognised?
RecordPlayer
01-04-2012
Originally Posted by mazzy50:
“I got the feeling that she is an awful lot harder and colder than Saul and the others appear to think. They all talk as if she must be a poor lonely, naive soul turned by her extremist boyfriend, but I suspect that she is the deep seated extremist.”

That was my first impression. but after Keyser Soze's explanation I'm not sure what to think.

Aileen could easily give a dead man's description.
Ads
01-04-2012
Very interesting episode tonight here are some of my thoughts and queries:

Is Carrie really so undisciplined and troubled that she get drunks with and sleeps with her suspect on several occasions, then makes the Yorkshire Gold slip - or is it all deliberate behaviour on her part to get the results and info she needs?

Was Brody told to beat Walker to death to make him believe 100% that Walker was dead (and therefore confirm to the CIA that he knows first hand he was dead) - and he was told to beat him to death as if he had shot or beheaded Walker, there is no way Walker's death could be faked - whereas Walker could have feigned dying after Brody beat him.

As another poster said, could Saul have got Aileen to do the drawing of Walker, to get the scent of Brody? It does also seem a bit odd that Aileen turned so easily.

Just who is the mole then if it isn't Saul? The only possibles I can think of are Estes or Galves, unless the mole is going to be a really low profile character, or if its Carrie (which would be a bit ludicrous)
Smokeychan1
01-04-2012
Originally Posted by RecordPlayer:
“Ah, thank you I'll have to turn the sound up next week. ”

Originally Posted by mazzy50:
“That makes sense - I had some difficulty making out everything that they said to each other, so I missed the point about him not getting a Muslim funeral and didn't pick up on how much that meant to Aileen.”

Havent had a problem before, but in tonight's show I had to turn up the volume everytime we cut to Aileen and Saul in the car.

As for the plot, Aileen had agreed to give evidence and was already in with the artist when Saul phoned David asking for a picture of Brody to show her. A bit strange that he didn't already know the man on the roof was a black guy, don't you think?

EDIT to clarify: Not sure if that is a plot hole - Aileen would have given a verbal description to Saul before meeting with the artist - or indicative of Saul being on the wrong side.
doom&gloom
01-04-2012
Originally Posted by Ads:
“Is Carrie really so undisciplined and troubled that she get drunks with and sleeps with her suspect on several occasions, then makes the Yorkshire Gold slip - or is it all deliberate behaviour on her part to get the results and info she needs?
”

She's bipolar, you have alternating episodes of mania (like in the bar) and depression.

Hope that the whole "mad eyes" thing that Danes does isn't her impression of what someone bipolar is like but that she has naturally mad eyes or else it's pretty poor acting.
RecordPlayer
01-04-2012
Originally Posted by Keyser Soze:
“I wonder if Brody will go 'rogue' after this. If he is a good guy, he's just fallen for someone who he found he couldn't trust, in the same way that he got home to discover he couldn't trust his wife. What's that going to do to him?

And why was he crying out to Issa in the night?


And why is my head spinning? ”

Sounds like he's got a case of Stockholm syndrome.
barnsleykeith
02-04-2012
Originally Posted by RecordPlayer:
“Wonderfully confusing, isn't BK? ”

Plus Carrie's hasn't any pills on her. She looked really upset when Brody dumped her. She needs to get back to her sister or she will go batshit!!!
barnsleykeith
02-04-2012
Originally Posted by RecordPlayer:
“Sounds like he's got a case of Stockholm syndrome.”

He said Issa was a guard. Maybe Issa was a nickname for Abu Nazir? Brody said he had grown to love the man because he showed him kindness. Hard to tell what the truth is in this show.
barnsleykeith
02-04-2012
Originally Posted by Smokeychan1:
“Havent had a problem before, but in tonight's show I had to turn up the volume everytime we cut to Aileen and Saul in the car.

As for the plot, Aileen had agreed to give evidence and was already in with the artist when Saul phoned David asking for a picture of Brody to show her. A bit strange that he didn't already know the man on the roof was a black guy, don't you think?

EDIT to clarify: Not sure if that is a plot hole - Aileen would have given a verbal description to Saul before meeting with the artist - or indicative of Saul being on the wrong side.”

Aileen may well have told Saul that roof guy was black. But it wasn't really important at that moment. When they knew a sniper was involved(from Galvez on the roof etc) Saul asked for a picture of Brody to show Aileen. She said it wasn't him. Cut to Carrie & Brody. Next thing we have Saul telling Carrie that Aileen has IDd Tom Walker. We don't get to see the leap from Brody to Walker- how it came about. That happened off camera. Maybe Saul saw Aileen's photofit and recognised Walker?
Smokeychan1
02-04-2012
Quote:
“Aileen may well have told Saul that roof guy was black. But it wasn't really important at that moment”

Sorry Keith, I just can't get my head around there being any circumstances where the identity of the roof guy wouldn't be important

EDIT: I know on my PC I couldn't make out the photos, but on a bigger screen was it possible to make out some details of the suspects in the album Aileen was looking at?
barnsleykeith
02-04-2012
Originally Posted by Smokeychan1:
“Sorry Keith, I just can't get my head around there being any circumstances where the identity of the roof guy wouldn't be important

EDIT: I know on my PC I couldn't make out the photos, but on a bigger screen was it possible to make out some details of the suspects in the album Aileen was looking at?”

I get what you mean now. Saul didn't know roof guy was black. He wouldn't have asked for Brody's photo otherwise. I suppose as soon as Aileen agreed to cooperate Saul put her with the ID experts. Watching True Blood at the moment, so will check the album on the desk when I get chance.
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