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I'm not sure whether to trust Eileen. Would she give Saul information that quickly? Earlier she told Saul that he didn't know her....
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I think her breaking point was hearing that the man she loved wouldn't get a decent Muslim burial if no one claimed his body. Saul read her very well and went for a softly softly approach.
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I think her breaking point was hearing that the man she loved wouldn't get a decent Muslim burial if no one claimed his body. Saul read her very well and went for a softly softly approach.
If Walker was the person who warned Eileen (when she was in the first house) who told Walker to warn her? There's still a mole somewhere. I think I'm going to have watch this again tomorrow.
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I got the feeling that she is an awful lot harder and colder than Saul and the others appear to think. They all talk as if she must be a poor lonely, naive soul turned by her extremist boyfriend, but I suspect that she is the deep seated extremist.
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() So:- Aileen is telling the truth, or lying. Brody is not a traitor, or he is. Walker was turned and is alive and on a mission. Or Aileen was lying to take the heat off of Brody. |
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all of this carrie/brody sex is beginning to bore me.... is it supposed to represent two damaged people seeking each other out or are they playing a dangerous game and neither is actually drinking as much as the other thinks...
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I thought Dana fell through the door causing the glass to break. I didn't notice anything being thrown at the door, but could easily have missed something. I have to say, it wasn't very good safety glass looking at the cut she got on her arm.
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That makes sense - I had some difficulty making out everything that they said to each other, so I missed the point about him not getting a Muslim funeral and didn't pick up on how much that meant to Aileen.
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Mr & Mrs Brody need to do something about their 16 year old daughter's drug taking....
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Wow, what an episode! The ending was fantastic! Who thought Walker would return back from the dead, not me! They played that game very well indeed!
![]() I believe the POW turned is Walker but i do think there's more still to come from Brody and he isn't telling the whole story, but he was very convincing tonight! As for Aileen i believe her to be telling the truth. Based on tonight's episode no way is Saul the mole, he's one of the good guys! Superb acting tonight from Damian Lewis and Claire Danes. Only 5 more episodes to go! |
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I got the feeling that she is an awful lot harder and colder than Saul and the others appear to think. They all talk as if she must be a poor lonely, naive soul turned by her extremist boyfriend, but I suspect that she is the deep seated extremist.
![]() Eileen could easily give a dead man's description. |
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Saul tells Aileen Raquim will be buried in a potter's field if nobody comes to claim his body.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potter's_field |
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Wow, what an episode! The ending was fantastic! Who thought Walker would return back from the dead, not me! They played that game very well indeed!
![]() I believe the POW turned is Walker but i do think there's more still to come from Brody and he isn't telling the whole story, but he was very convincing tonight! As for Aileen i believe her to be telling the truth. Based on tonight's episode no way is Saul the mole, he's one of the good guys! Superb acting tonight from Damian Lewis and Claire Danes. Only 5 more episodes to go! |
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I wonder if Brody will go 'rogue' after this. If he is a good guy, he's just fallen for someone who he found he couldn't trust, in the same way that he got home to discover he couldn't trust his wife. What's that going to do to him?
And why was he crying out to Issa in the night? And why is my head spinning?
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Non the wiser after all that.
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() So:- Aileen is telling the truth, or lying. Brody is not a traitor, or he is. Walker was turned and is alive and on a mission. Or Aileen was lying to take the heat off of Brody.
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I recall the gravedigging, too. Maybe they messed with his head so much he believed he'd buried Walker, or it was staged to make him think that was happening, then they hoiked Walker out of the ground and to a safe place.
![]() If Brody has been turned, he's there for a longer mission than Walker, who, by the looks of things, is out to commit a specific attack (or attacks). Even if Walker is alive, why would the 'mission' require him to wander about on a roof to reccy for an assassination attempt? Any of their side could do it. And how would he enter the US, and why? If they established his 'death' isn't it risky having him walking around where he might be recognised? |
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I got the feeling that she is an awful lot harder and colder than Saul and the others appear to think. They all talk as if she must be a poor lonely, naive soul turned by her extremist boyfriend, but I suspect that she is the deep seated extremist.
![]() Aileen could easily give a dead man's description. |
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Very interesting episode tonight here are some of my thoughts and queries:
Is Carrie really so undisciplined and troubled that she get drunks with and sleeps with her suspect on several occasions, then makes the Yorkshire Gold slip - or is it all deliberate behaviour on her part to get the results and info she needs? Was Brody told to beat Walker to death to make him believe 100% that Walker was dead (and therefore confirm to the CIA that he knows first hand he was dead) - and he was told to beat him to death as if he had shot or beheaded Walker, there is no way Walker's death could be faked - whereas Walker could have feigned dying after Brody beat him. As another poster said, could Saul have got Aileen to do the drawing of Walker, to get the scent of Brody? It does also seem a bit odd that Aileen turned so easily. Just who is the mole then if it isn't Saul? The only possibles I can think of are Estes or Galves, unless the mole is going to be a really low profile character, or if its Carrie (which would be a bit ludicrous) |
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Ah, thank you
I'll have to turn the sound up next week. ![]() Quote:
That makes sense - I had some difficulty making out everything that they said to each other, so I missed the point about him not getting a Muslim funeral and didn't pick up on how much that meant to Aileen.
As for the plot, Aileen had agreed to give evidence and was already in with the artist when Saul phoned David asking for a picture of Brody to show her. A bit strange that he didn't already know the man on the roof was a black guy, don't you think? EDIT to clarify: Not sure if that is a plot hole - Aileen would have given a verbal description to Saul before meeting with the artist - or indicative of Saul being on the wrong side. |
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Is Carrie really so undisciplined and troubled that she get drunks with and sleeps with her suspect on several occasions, then makes the Yorkshire Gold slip - or is it all deliberate behaviour on her part to get the results and info she needs?
Hope that the whole "mad eyes" thing that Danes does isn't her impression of what someone bipolar is like but that she has naturally mad eyes or else it's pretty poor acting. |
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I wonder if Brody will go 'rogue' after this. If he is a good guy, he's just fallen for someone who he found he couldn't trust, in the same way that he got home to discover he couldn't trust his wife. What's that going to do to him?
And why was he crying out to Issa in the night? And why is my head spinning? ![]() |
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Wonderfully confusing, isn't BK?
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Sounds like he's got a case of Stockholm syndrome.
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Havent had a problem before, but in tonight's show I had to turn up the volume everytime we cut to Aileen and Saul in the car.
As for the plot, Aileen had agreed to give evidence and was already in with the artist when Saul phoned David asking for a picture of Brody to show her. A bit strange that he didn't already know the man on the roof was a black guy, don't you think? EDIT to clarify: Not sure if that is a plot hole - Aileen would have given a verbal description to Saul before meeting with the artist - or indicative of Saul being on the wrong side. |
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Aileen may well have told Saul that roof guy was black. But it wasn't really important at that moment
Sorry Keith, I just can't get my head around there being any circumstances where the identity of the roof guy wouldn't be important ![]() EDIT: I know on my PC I couldn't make out the photos, but on a bigger screen was it possible to make out some details of the suspects in the album Aileen was looking at? |
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Sorry Keith, I just can't get my head around there being any circumstances where the identity of the roof guy wouldn't be important
![]() EDIT: I know on my PC I couldn't make out the photos, but on a bigger screen was it possible to make out some details of the suspects in the album Aileen was looking at? |
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