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After having lived in a dungeon for 8 years, I would've thought that Brody, upon seeing the beautiful setting of the cabin (wow - how lucky is Carrie & her family to have that place at their disposal), would've fell to his knees & got emotional. Poor guy, gets out to find his best mate has been having an 'affair' with his wife, the government thinks he's a terrorist, & he falls for a woman who, it would appear to him at any rate, is part of a 'honey trap'.
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You lot have been busy! Another great ep - apologies if I flood the thread but there's a lot to catch up on. I'm not sure if I can add anything to this thread that's not been said already. Quote:
Thank you!! D. I'm going to have a celebratory drink. now.
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Love this thread, my absolute all time fave post was Delta Blue's 'or maybe he just really liked tulips' (or WTTE)
it was just the way you started with 'maybe I'm really overthinking this...'PURE GOLD GENIUS ![]() Thanks to Normandie and Sally for the MOTD info on his finger strumming ![]() I'm not really posting at the mo but will keep lurking on here, so thanks to everyone and if I've heard FM wedding bells, best wishes to both parties xxx and now we know MOTD strumming was lack a prayer bead substitute for Brody."Live in despair for 8 yrs and you might turn to religion too & the King James Bible wasn't available." Jess and Chris did the same, just with Christianity. Quote:
I just list the correct threads in subscriptions TG - stops the accidental clicking
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Tracked... probably from the (un)safe house or possibly via a bug in the car. Presumably executed (almost) because They Have Very Important Knowledge someone doesn't want them giving up if captured.
It frustrated me a little that Saul & Carrie, two of the CIA's higher investigative ranks, are off on their road trips when time is ticking on tracking down Abu Nazir's henchmen...tv show poetic licence does grate sometimes.
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Maybe they both got turned.
this early on. And anyone else think it's odd a load of houses offer a clear line of sight for a sniper to overlook a pristinely signposted "MARINE-ONE" helipad???? ![]() but if Walker is the sniper fixed on Marine-One - we're still none the wiser if Brody has been turned or not. Quote:
Wasn't he also made to dig Walker's grave and watch while he was buried as well? Or am I imagining that?
I thought the daughter (Dana?) was great tonight - loved it when she told Mike that they would be better off without him around. and I thought Dana was superb again too - she knows how to get under her Mum's skin doesn't she? ![]() Quote:
I'm not sure whether to trust Eileen. Would she give Saul information that quickly? Earlier she told Saul that he didn't know her....(what she was like)
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I think her breaking point was hearing that the man she loved wouldn't get a decent Muslim burial if no one claimed his body. Saul read her very well and went for a softly softly approach.
I'm sure her and Raquim's house has a lovely view from their roof - but her being around to show it off to Walker (or whoever) means she's either heavily involved in the plot or it's all an elaborate lie to take the CIA off the scent somewhere else. |
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Non the wiser after all that.
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() So:- Aileen is telling the truth, or lying. Brody is not a traitor, or he is. Walker was turned and is alive and on a mission. Or Aileen was lying to take the heat off of Brody. ![]() Quote:
But why is everyone so ready to believe that Walker is still alive based only on an artist's impression from an unreliable/hostile witness? That's not proof he's alive.
Even if Walker is alive, why would the 'mission' require him to wander about on a roof to reccy for an assassination attempt? Any of their side could do it. And how would he enter the US, and why? If they established his 'death' isn't it risky having him walking around where he might be recognised? The trust in Aileen's tetimony is staggering - but given more weight because it's Saul who's "broken" her. Aileen,Saul or both could still be playing their games and diverting energy and attention away from somewhere else.... Quote:
Sounds like he's got a case of Stockholm syndrome.
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He said Issa was a guard. Maybe Issa was a nickname for Abu Nazir? Brody said he had grown to love the man because he showed him kindness. Hard to tell what the truth is in this show.
Brody now has Carrie as putty in his hands and can tell her anything to sway things one way or the next. I don't buy the "I was embarrassed" line about denying knowing Abu Nazir one bit. The writing and Damian Lewis' performance with Brody is so good. Just when you're thinking you're working him out, he flips something on its head or adds something ambiguous to not quite convince you either way. Superb.
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Did Saul say the car journey was going to take at least 25 hours? Why would the FBI let him drive Aileen for that long without sleeping? (Or are we supposed to assume they had a break to sleep which wasn't shown?)
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Gosh, I'd thought you would all be raving about that episode only to read people saying they're disappointed and some were even falling asleep.
I thought the scenes between Carrie and Brody were very powerful. Exceptional actually. Quote:
I am loving Homeland, i think there are elements of it which are a little unbelievable but i use my brain in work all day so when i sit down to watch TV i dont analysis every little element of the story i just let it flow and try not to pick holes as its a pointless exercise, you just have to enjoy the good parts of the show and for me these out weigh the minor plot holes.
I thought the Brody & Carrie scenes were excellent, great how their relationship has developed on a scale which neither expected or realised, i think both actors are doing a great job. |
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Phew that's me up to date....
![]() and I really enjoyed playing catch up on this thread - it's a gem! Fascinating read.
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Yes we assume they had a sleep, after all we saw them stop for a meal. The series does not have a linear timeline eg the death of Lynne, Carrie and Brody's weekend.
getting out of cars as Saul finished the journey? I assume they would have made sure Aileen didn't escape. |
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And anyone else think it's odd a load of houses offer a clear line of sight for a sniper to overlook a pristinely signposted "MARINE-ONE" helipad???? ![]() Saul drives from Mexico to DC via OHIO? Bit out of the way. 30 hours...maybe but not via Ohio. Aside from this, I am enjoying the series. Who Issa is at the momment... a female? Damien is supberb as brody and loving the English props (brown ale, yorkshire gold). |
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I found the end of the ep a bit jarring, although good that they threw in the surprise about Walker and that it intruded on the pace and content of most of the rest of the ep. Are we to think that Brody's truth has now been told almost in full though? Surely not.
![]() In terms of Brody and Carrie's relationship I got what I'd asked for in last week's ep i.e. for it to get more intense and complex.
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i felt this was the weakest episode(less 24,more soapy) but the last 10 mins were brilliant
now we know why brody lied(hes embarassed and used to it) but we can rule him out as a terrorist it seems how many epsiodes left? 2? |
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how many epsiodes left? 2?
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This is something that keeps jarring with me (and I've mentioned it before). It also annoys siblings and friends who live in the area. Marine 1 is not kept at Dulles. I believe it is based at Quantico. If it has moved, then it would move to the Marine Barracks or some other such place. It is not at Dulles airport. Aside from Dulles and National (Regan) there are no other big airports. The new housing is symbolic of Dulles - National is an old airport with no room for new housing estates. The time lines of travel between locations in this series is way to short!
Saul drives from Mexico to DC via OHIO? Bit out of the way. 30 hours...maybe but not via Ohio. Aside from this, I am enjoying the series. Who Issa is at the momment... a female? Damien is supberb as brody and loving the English props (brown ale, yorkshire gold). |
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This is something that keeps jarring with me (and I've mentioned it before). It also annoys siblings and friends who live in the area. Marine 1 is not kept at Dulles. I believe it is based at Quantico. .
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Just becasue the helipad is marked for Marine 1 doesn't mean it is based there. Just a designated spot for when it needs to use Dulles.
President Barack Obama boards Marine One on the South Lawn on the White House en route to Dulles International Airport, outside Washington, D.C., where he will board Air Force One for the flight to the Middle East and Europe, June 2, 2009. Air Force One departed from Dulles instead of Andrews Air Force Base as it needed a longer runway because of the fuel load required to make the trip non-stop to King Khalid International Airport in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...South_Lawn.jpg So Dulles is used on occasions for Air Force One. The sniper(if Aileen's story is true) would have to know the Presidents Itinerary well in advance. How would he know the President would take the helicopter from The White House to Dulles? Or are the Presidents trips announced in advance? Not sure about that. |
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someone on the inside could pass on the info...
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Found this on Wiki:-
President Barack Obama boards Marine One on the South Lawn on the White House en route to Dulles International Airport, outside Washington, D.C., where he will board Air Force One for the flight to the Middle East and Europe, June 2, 2009. Air Force One departed from Dulles instead of Andrews Air Force Base as it needed a longer runway because of the fuel load required to make the trip non-stop to King Khalid International Airport in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...South_Lawn.jpg So Dulles is used on occasions for Air Force One. The sniper(if Aileen's story is true) would have to know the Presidents Itinerary well in advance. How would he know the President would take the helicopter from The White House to Dulles? Or are the Presidents trips announced in advance? Not sure about that. The helicopters used to ferry the Pres. are from a dedicated Marine unit. That's why the choppers are called Marine One. The big jets used to fly the Pres long distances are flown and maintained by the US Air Force. That's why they are called Air Force One. If an Army plane was used to carry the President it would be called Army One. |
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someone on the inside could pass on the info...
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I am absolutely loving this series, best thing I've watched in a long time. Thought last Sundays episode was a real wow episode. I really hope the series doesn't have a disappointing end and the writers aren't just making up as they go along. Hope they always had a beginning, middle and ending planned well in advance. Hopefully lots of twists and surprises still to come.
One thing puzzling me. When Carrie asked Brody what he gets up to in the garage why did he not question her as to how she knew he went there so often? |
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Found this on Wiki:-
President Barack Obama boards Marine One on the South Lawn on the White House en route to Dulles International Airport, outside Washington, D.C., where he will board Air Force One for the flight to the Middle East and Europe, June 2, 2009. Air Force One departed from Dulles instead of Andrews Air Force Base as it needed a longer runway because of the fuel load required to make the trip non-stop to King Khalid International Airport in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...South_Lawn.jpg So Dulles is used on occasions for Air Force One. The sniper(if Aileen's story is true) would have to know the Presidents Itinerary well in advance. How would he know the President would take the helicopter from The White House to Dulles? Or are the Presidents trips announced in advance? Not sure about that.
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I am absolutely loving this series, best thing I've watched in a long time. Thought last Sundays episode was a real wow episode. I really hope the series doesn't have a disappointing end and the writers aren't just making up as they go along. Hope they always had a beginning, middle and ending planned well in advance. Hopefully lots of twists and surprises still to come.
One thing puzzling me. When Carrie asked Brody what he gets up to in the garage why did he not question her as to how she knew he went there so often? |
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He'd already guessed by that point that she'd had him under surveillance
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I linked on to US pace
![]() ![]() Luckily, I only looked at the last post which was in a spoiler anyway. Haven't spoilt it for myself but it's so easy to make the mistake..
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Before Homeland aired in the UK the US pace thread was dead. I had a look at the first 3 pages of US pace and it takes us upto the episode where we are now in the UK. Now it's picked up awards and now getting rave reviews here in the UK people have started commenting more now in the US pace thread.
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Understandable stockholm syndrome but if Issa is also Abu Nazir then the CIA really have dropped a bollock here. Brody now has Carrie as putty in his hands and can tell her anything to sway things one way or the next. I don't buy the "I was embarrassed" line about denying knowing Abu Nazir one bit. The writing and Damian Lewis' performance with Brody is so good. Just when you're thinking you're working him out, he flips something on its head or adds something ambiguous to not quite convince you either way. Superb. ![]() ![]() Agree with you about Brody - he's got one over on Carrie, but the last scene with him crying, showed us how messed up his life is. He's got no friends.
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I'm just surprised Saul and Carrie had time away from finding out more from Raquim's murder really.
Tech guy is the best one to analyse the polygraph. Carrie seems to do what she wants anyway! |
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Before Homeland aired in the UK the US pace thread was dead. I had a look at the first 3 pages of US pace and it takes us upto the episode where we are now in the UK. Now it's picked up awards and now getting rave reviews here in the UK people have started commenting more now in the US pace thread.
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