I can't fathom it out anymore RP.

Abu Nazir used Brody killing his best friend as leverage to break and turn him - but what did Abu Nazir use to turn Walker? Brody trying to kill him?

I was too gobsmacked to see Brody in the chair I missed some of what they said to each other at the end....

Will have to watch the end again when I record it tomorrow.

I'm suspicious of quite a few of them. I've never liked Mike. We don't know much about him, do we?
He was out there, too.......

I can't remember if we've been told how they both got captured in the first place. Surely the plan doesn't go all the way back to before then.....?

I don't see why anyone would be suspicious of Mike - how would he be part of it? And he's only a bit-part player. Since his affair with Mrs Brody was out in the open, he hardly features.

I wonder if it will now be a case of Brody hunting down Walker in a race against time.

I felt more sorry for Saul but if their beds are lonely ones they've no-one to blame but themselves.

Saul spent more time alone with Aileen on a road trip he asked for personally than he has done with his recently returned from overseas wife.

Yep, he can't help himself - his job is all consuming and he doesn't want to fight it.

I thought it was an average episode but the last 20mins made up for that and that ending! Wow, did not expect that! I thought it was Walker but it turns out to be Brody. Still can't make head nor tail of him. We kind of have an idea on what Walker was planning but we've still got nothing on Brody. Clearly he's involved and he now knows Walker is alive but is still working with Abu Nazir on 'something' whatever that may be. Hmmmmmm.


I was thinking more poor Saul this episode! Felt really sorry for him but then felt sorry for both Carrie and Saul when Carrie talked about her epiphany. Sadly she may be right.

I think we may have seen the routes of season 2 tonight - Brody, obviously involved with terrorists, being groomed as a Congressman. Could he actually get a position of power?

No idea. Need more time to think about it - for it to sink in.

Why did Brody only tell Carrie that he had killed Walker, whereas he told the others that someone else had killed him.? I don't understand that at all.

Brody was cross (at the end) - he was led to believe he had killed his friend.

Well I saw that as an indication that to some extent he did feel a connection with her and was confiding in her. I took it that he didn't admit it to anyone else because of how awful it was. Surely whatever the pressure you were under at the time, you would expect people to judge you very negatively for beating your best friend to death to save yourself?

and why did Carrie not tell anyone Brody admitted to "killing" Walker? I didn't think she'd be that infatuated with him to risk everything she's about (ie protecting the US) coming crashing down. But she is.

Yep need time to digest all this.

Brody's just playing her and he knows she's not mentionned this to anyone.

Maybe now Carrie's admitted to the affair to Saul she'll tell him the rest....?

She probably thinks its inconsequential now because everyone knows Walker is alive and she appears to take Brodys word.

As for Brodys spat with 'the diplomat', I can't see that terminating his mission. Eight years of brainwashing and psychological torment probably means he is incredibly committed to his mission - he may even be a lost cause.

I knew I was right to be suspicious of his willingness to get immediately back in to family life when Carrie told him she suspects him. That was out of step with his behaviour ever since he returned home.

I'd quite like Walker to be a good guy who knows Brody has been turned and is figuring out a way to take him out. But I don't think it will end well for Walker if that were the case.

I don't see how Brody can get out of this now even if he wants to - unless he comes clean and becomes a double agent against Abu Nazir. But even if he admits to everything he knows he'll still be seen as a traitor to his country. What he's done is far worse than what Aileen did, whatever the leverage.

And Abu Nazir won't let him off the hook that easily now either.

No idea what Walker will bring to the table.

Up until now I have always been convinced Brody is a good guy, the end of tonight's episode made me question that

I don't suspect Mike. I think he was just a family friend & fancied Jess. She did make clear that the affair hadn't begun untl 6 years after Brody went missing. I don't really blame either of them, they genuinely thought he was dead.


(re: Carrie & her pills^^)
They also didn't show how she got home from the cabin last week? I assume she would have had to call her sister, who probably gave her more pills. But I agree that they seemed to make such a big deal about it at first & now not...


This whole part is the bit that doesn't ring true for me. Carrie is being terribly unprofessional & not using the information she has from Brody (whether personally or telling her superiors). She ought too to have made the CIA aware of what she had shared with Brody. I Mean info, not...!
Similarly, Saul was inefficient in simply shrugging off her confession about her relationship with Brody. His first question should have been, what did you tell him & what did he tell you? Does he know you were watching him? And he should have been crosser.
I can't believe the CIA would simply discount a former suspect as quickly as they did with Brody (didn;t they learn their lesson with Aileen & her boyfriend?!) - a file would remain open for a while, surely.
Niggles, I know & it's fiction & I have to suspend my disbelief. But the CIA are not performing here for me.


Having said that, am loving the series. The highlight of my week & I look forward to each episode.

In terms of people related to the terrorist plot, here is what I noticed yesterday:

1. Galvez didn't exactly try and stop the soldiers running into the mosque and killing Muslims, just saying it was 'too late' to stop them

2. Is Elizabeth Gaines involved? She is doing her best to get Brody in a position of political power (both a congressman and in charge of some committee related to the armed forces) - and looks to be behind the career implosion of the previous congressman/committee leader.

3. If Gaines is involved, then she is also friends with Saul?...

4. Do we actually have proof Walker is a bad guy yet?

5. Did Brody play Carrie in terms of getting her to sleep with him and spill what she knew on him, rather than vice versa?

6. Don't rule out Mike being involved just yet? He served with both Walker and Brody and may have slept with Brody's wife in order to integrate himself with the family, and can report back to someone else on Brody's behaviour.

7. Did Carrie tell Brody directly in person that Walker is still alive, because she still suspects Brody, and wanted to see his reaction?

In all honesty, I really haven't been impressed with Homeland. I keep saying to myself "I'll give it one more episode" and there is just about enough to sustain my interest over the hour, perhaps with with a tantalizing allusion to what next week might have in store, but it just never seems to fulfill even some of the vast intrigue that it promises.
It just feels hugely over-hyped, and the gratuitous sex scenes are simply the sign of a hollow show.

Brody will not be allowed to get out of whatever he's in - if he does then he will be killed. The lack of any attempt to free him may have lead to him having been 'turned'.

If you are not able to see that the sex scenes haven't been at all gratuitous, it is clear to me this is not at all the show for you.

When has Carrie been professional in this....I must have missed that second.

Deep Undercover.....but how could he have thought he had killed someone, when he plainly hasn't....he even buried him....or dug the grave.

Hope not......Then H/land would get really silly.

If it's the Mosque scene....then in real life....many heads would be rolling, at the FBI.


No work for Uncle Mike, round the House....but he would have got in the way, what with the Brody's playing Happy Families.

And Jessica, as aways....Smokin' Hot.


"He's not the Target, he's my Husband"

Am i right in hearing that at the end when Brody had the fight with Abu Nazir, Brody said tell him im out or something along those lines?

Perhaps this displays the show's Israeli roots. The FBI killing people praying in a mosque in America it would be a very big deal, in Israel if the IDF did that, not so much.

I'm a little puzzled about Walker "dying". Was an imprisoned
Walker already working with the terrorists, unknown
to Brody? Perhaps Walker agreed to "fake" his death-
perhaps the terrorists injected him with a drug to
induce a death-like state, and showed Walker to
Brody. Brody then gets tricked into thinking
Walker is "dead".

That guy wasn't Abu Nazir - that would be like Osama Bin Laden (when alive) swanning around Washington DC in a chauffeur-driven Jag. He's some middle eastern diplomat/agent of Nazirs.

You're right in what you heard - he said to tell Nazir he is out.