Originally Posted by Denley:
“That's what J-J and RP have questionned earlier.”
“That's what J-J and RP have questionned earlier.”
Found that now.
Homeland on Ch4 (UK Pace) - No Spoilers!
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Well done Ch4!
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s188/...channel-4.html
I really, really hope Ch4 haven't been stupid and have bought the 'for life' rights to this show for Ch4 to screen it as long as it's made. I would hate for another broadcaster (let me guess? lol) to snap it up in a big money deal.
Quote:
“'Homeland' rises to new high of 2.6m for Channel 4. Damian Lewis's Homeland soared to a new high of nearly 2.6m last night (Sunday), despite facing major BBC and ITV dramas.
As the mystery surrounding Brody began to unravel in 'Crossfire', episode nine of 12, 2.15m (8.5%) watched on Channel 4 at 9pm, with a further 421k (2.3%) on +1.
Increasing over 400k week-on-week, the US show edged its previous best in March and is cementing itself as one of Channel 4's best-rated imports in recent years.”
“'Homeland' rises to new high of 2.6m for Channel 4. Damian Lewis's Homeland soared to a new high of nearly 2.6m last night (Sunday), despite facing major BBC and ITV dramas.
As the mystery surrounding Brody began to unravel in 'Crossfire', episode nine of 12, 2.15m (8.5%) watched on Channel 4 at 9pm, with a further 421k (2.3%) on +1.
Increasing over 400k week-on-week, the US show edged its previous best in March and is cementing itself as one of Channel 4's best-rated imports in recent years.”
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s188/...channel-4.html
I really, really hope Ch4 haven't been stupid and have bought the 'for life' rights to this show for Ch4 to screen it as long as it's made. I would hate for another broadcaster (let me guess? lol) to snap it up in a big money deal.
So what happened about the following:
1) the mole. Is he she still there? Has anyone realised there is a mole?
2) Brody's captor who topped himself - was that ever resolved? Was the 'razor in a shoe' bollocks the interim finding or the conclusion?
3) Where is Aileen, did she give any more info?
4) How does Carrie keep her illness a secret when she failed the polygraph and they must have drug tests and given her family history
5) Why Saul indulge her so much when she is a liability
6) What is the probability of capturing 2 soldiers and keeping them alive and them both turning and willing to complete their new missions?
1) the mole. Is he she still there? Has anyone realised there is a mole?
2) Brody's captor who topped himself - was that ever resolved? Was the 'razor in a shoe' bollocks the interim finding or the conclusion?
3) Where is Aileen, did she give any more info?
4) How does Carrie keep her illness a secret when she failed the polygraph and they must have drug tests and given her family history
5) Why Saul indulge her so much when she is a liability
6) What is the probability of capturing 2 soldiers and keeping them alive and them both turning and willing to complete their new missions?
Originally Posted by tealady:
“Looks that way, plus a bomb to ensure that Issa is killed, else the whole pyschological thing to turn Brody via several steps makes no sense.
But what is Brody's mission? I don't think it is to kill the VP, maybe show that the US is rotten at the top and destroy it from within.”
“Looks that way, plus a bomb to ensure that Issa is killed, else the whole pyschological thing to turn Brody via several steps makes no sense.
But what is Brody's mission? I don't think it is to kill the VP, maybe show that the US is rotten at the top and destroy it from within.”
I think we have had the clues to work out Brody and Walker's missions. Brody had no idea about Walker, but Walker must know about Brody? He surely has seen him all over the news?
Originally Posted by barnsleykeith:
“I think we have had the clues to work out Brody and Walker's missions.”
“I think we have had the clues to work out Brody and Walker's missions.”
Still not clear on Brody's!
The US recovered from Watergate, Regan , Bush, McCarthy, so what can really scandalise them?
I knew the kid would die but didn't see the drone attack angle. I think Walker is a decoy and Brody is the focus of the real attack.
when brody was told all he needed to know from nazir i think it is because he will have no more use. my bet is brody was made to beat up walker so that he would have no problem killing him when he gets off the chopper at the airport. probably to make americans think that terrorists have the power to do what they want.
I noticed something about Saul and Nazir. Both similar age, beard, glasses. Both believe very strongly in what they do. Just on different sides.
Originally Posted by the dourfla:
“when brody was told all he needed to know from nazir i think it is because he will have no more use. my bet is brody was made to beat up walker so that he would have no problem killing him when he gets off the chopper at the airport. probably to make americans think that terrorists have the power to do what they want.”
“when brody was told all he needed to know from nazir i think it is because he will have no more use. my bet is brody was made to beat up walker so that he would have no problem killing him when he gets off the chopper at the airport. probably to make americans think that terrorists have the power to do what they want.”
Why would Walker be on a chopper?
Originally Posted by tealady:
“Still not clear on Brody's!
The US recovered from Watergate, Regan , Bush, McCarthy, so what can really scandalise them?”
“Still not clear on Brody's!
The US recovered from Watergate, Regan , Bush, McCarthy, so what can really scandalise them?”
I think the original plan was for Brody to kill the VP. We've seen that Brody blames him for the drone strike that killed the children. Brody's terrorist attack would cause POTUS to be evacuated to Dulles. Walker would be on the roof of Aileen's house- waiting. He would take out the President.
But that plan has been blown. Carrie and Saul have found the house near the airport, and Walker is on the run. Brody didn't know about Walker. But he does now. Brody is wavering because Nazir lied about Walker. Will Brody continue his mission(which is now Plan B- whatever that is) or will he turn on Nazir and Walker. Join forces with Carrie maybe?
Originally Posted by SparklingEyes:
“Yes, I was confused by this too. Surely Brody would be more likely to be 'turned' if he continued to be given special treatment and kept in relative luxury.
Alternatively, perhaps this was all part of the plan. He was deliberately put back into the hole for a time, and was told he would be allowed to be 'saved' by the US troops and therefore they had to make it look like he was still a prisoner.”
“Yes, I was confused by this too. Surely Brody would be more likely to be 'turned' if he continued to be given special treatment and kept in relative luxury.
Alternatively, perhaps this was all part of the plan. He was deliberately put back into the hole for a time, and was told he would be allowed to be 'saved' by the US troops and therefore they had to make it look like he was still a prisoner.”
Originally Posted by J-J:
“in reply to some above i would have said that Brody was kept in a good condition until his mission began i.e growing his beard / hair and having to take a beating to let the Americans believe he has been a POW.”
“in reply to some above i would have said that Brody was kept in a good condition until his mission began i.e growing his beard / hair and having to take a beating to let the Americans believe he has been a POW.”
But Brodie was very twitchy & jumpy when he was first released; sleeping on the floor & having nightmares. I think he had been back in genuine captivity for quite a while.
I guess we will find out more, but the flashbacks are fascinating.
Originally Posted by MrSuper:
“Well done Ch4!
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s188/...channel-4.html
I really, really hope Ch4 haven't been stupid and have bought the 'for life' rights to this show for Ch4 to screen it as long as it's made. I would hate for another broadcaster (let me guess? lol) to snap it up in a big money deal.”
“Well done Ch4!
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s188/...channel-4.html
I really, really hope Ch4 haven't been stupid and have bought the 'for life' rights to this show for Ch4 to screen it as long as it's made. I would hate for another broadcaster (let me guess? lol) to snap it up in a big money deal.”
This is my biggest fear too. Fingers crossed C4 have been sensible.
The unanswered questions only intrigue me further. Love this show.
Originally Posted by tealady:
“So what happened about the following:
1) the mole. Is he she still there? Has anyone realised there is a mole?
2) Brody's captor who topped himself - was that ever resolved? Was the 'razor in a shoe' bollocks the interim finding or the conclusion?
3) Where is Aileen, did she give any more info?
4) How does Carrie keep her illness a secret when she failed the polygraph and they must have drug tests and given her family history
5) Why Saul indulge her so much when she is a liability
6) What is the probability of capturing 2 soldiers and keeping them alive and them both turning and willing to complete their new missions?”
“So what happened about the following:
1) the mole. Is he she still there? Has anyone realised there is a mole?
2) Brody's captor who topped himself - was that ever resolved? Was the 'razor in a shoe' bollocks the interim finding or the conclusion?
3) Where is Aileen, did she give any more info?
4) How does Carrie keep her illness a secret when she failed the polygraph and they must have drug tests and given her family history
5) Why Saul indulge her so much when she is a liability
6) What is the probability of capturing 2 soldiers and keeping them alive and them both turning and willing to complete their new missions?”
I have a horrible feeling we're not going to get an answer to a lot of the above questions. Unless the last episode is longer than usual just don't think there will be time to tie up all the loose ends. Still loving it though and so don't want it to end.
Originally Posted by barnsleykeith:
“I think the original plan was for Brody to kill the VP. We've seen that Brody blames him for the drone strike that killed the children.”
“I think the original plan was for Brody to kill the VP. We've seen that Brody blames him for the drone strike that killed the children.”
Thanks. I was going for a much more complicated scenario!
Whether Brody could kill in cold blood is now a moot point.
Originally Posted by tealady:
“Thanks. I was going for a much more complicated scenario!
Whether Brody could kill in cold blood is now a moot point.”
“Thanks. I was going for a much more complicated scenario!
Whether Brody could kill in cold blood is now a moot point.”
We may never know what the original missions were. The writers seem to be leaving lots of the story for us to fill in. Or Nazir may monologue to clear it up? Can't wait to find out if Brody will or won't.
Originally Posted by StargateNerd_24:
“Why would Walker be on a chopper?”
“Why would Walker be on a chopper?”
i think the party brody was at showed he was being groomed for a position of power so he could have the opportunity to travel on the chopper , with walker shooting him from the roof. only thing is carrie knows about the house by the airport, but walker wont know she knows about it.
Originally Posted by StargateNerd_24:
“I knew the kid would die but didn't see the drone attack angle. I think Walker is a decoy and Brody is the focus of the real attack.”
“I knew the kid would die but didn't see the drone attack angle. I think Walker is a decoy and Brody is the focus of the real attack.”
Best part of Sundays episode, with Tom in the Wood, what with Saul & Carrie seconds late when Brody lift the Big House....
Originally Posted by niceguy1966:
“I rarely use strong language, but what utter twoddle you wrote.
In my opinion, the whole point of good drama is to build up tension, build up the suspense, provide a few twists and turns along the way, maybe a small revelation each episode, but not too much so you are kept guessing what will happen next and how it will end. You can only tell if "the wheels have come off" if they get to the end and the plotting didn't make sense (e.g. Heros Seasons 2 onward), there are still many unanswered questions (e.g. FlashForwards) or you just get bored and stop watching (e.g. Lost).
At this point I WANT many unanswered questions, and many possible endings. This isn't Spooks where everything is wrapped up at the end of each episode. I like long complex stories, as long as the writers know how to draw it all to a fantastic climax at the end (I am very hopeful as the writing has been excellent so far).
If you can't cope with not knowing who the good guys are and who the bad guys are, and need everything explained as it happens, rather than in two or three weeks time, feel free to watch something else. The wheels are firmly on this wagon, and it's heading to its destination at an amazing pace!”
“I rarely use strong language, but what utter twoddle you wrote.
In my opinion, the whole point of good drama is to build up tension, build up the suspense, provide a few twists and turns along the way, maybe a small revelation each episode, but not too much so you are kept guessing what will happen next and how it will end. You can only tell if "the wheels have come off" if they get to the end and the plotting didn't make sense (e.g. Heros Seasons 2 onward), there are still many unanswered questions (e.g. FlashForwards) or you just get bored and stop watching (e.g. Lost).
At this point I WANT many unanswered questions, and many possible endings. This isn't Spooks where everything is wrapped up at the end of each episode. I like long complex stories, as long as the writers know how to draw it all to a fantastic climax at the end (I am very hopeful as the writing has been excellent so far).
If you can't cope with not knowing who the good guys are and who the bad guys are, and need everything explained as it happens, rather than in two or three weeks time, feel free to watch something else. The wheels are firmly on this wagon, and it's heading to its destination at an amazing pace!”
I also what to care what is going on...but I just don't....There is a great story trying to get out, but I'm just not bothered half the time, while watching this.
Originally Posted by catsitter:
“Yes, I thought the same.
And nobody has commented yet on Brody knowing how to do tricks with a "soccer ball"!
”
“Yes, I thought the same.
And nobody has commented yet on Brody knowing how to do tricks with a "soccer ball"!
”
Marine Training, part of...
Originally Posted by Barney06:
“In the first episode we saw an unkempt Brody being rescued from a dingy room yet the latest show has him living in relative luxury , clean shaven & well dressed .
”
“In the first episode we saw an unkempt Brody being rescued from a dingy room yet the latest show has him living in relative luxury , clean shaven & well dressed .
”
They did have it down, as 3 years earlier, so to get it him looking rough again, shouldn't take that long.
Originally Posted by RecordPlayer:
“Yep, just 3 left.”
“Yep, just 3 left.”
It feels as if this has been on much longer.:yawn:
Originally Posted by the dourfla:
“i think the party brody was at showed he was being groomed for a position of power so he could have the opportunity to travel on the chopper , with walker shooting him from the roof. only thing is carrie knows about the house by the airport, but walker wont know she knows about it.”
“i think the party brody was at showed he was being groomed for a position of power so he could have the opportunity to travel on the chopper , with walker shooting him from the roof. only thing is carrie knows about the house by the airport, but walker wont know she knows about it.”
My current theory (it changes every few hours, lol) is that Brody is being groomed to shoot the VP close up at a big televised event. Seconds later, Brody himself is meant to be shot by Walker with that fancy gun of his.
Originally Posted by tealady:
“So what happened about the following:
1) the mole. Is he she still there? Has anyone realised there is a mole?
2) Brody's captor who topped himself - was that ever resolved? Was the 'razor in a shoe' bollocks the interim finding or the conclusion?
3) Where is Aileen, did she give any more info?
4) How does Carrie keep her illness a secret when she failed the polygraph and they must have drug tests and given her family history
5) Why Saul indulge her so much when she is a liability
6) What is the probability of capturing 2 soldiers and keeping them alive and them both turning and willing to complete their new missions?”
“So what happened about the following:
1) the mole. Is he she still there? Has anyone realised there is a mole?
2) Brody's captor who topped himself - was that ever resolved? Was the 'razor in a shoe' bollocks the interim finding or the conclusion?
3) Where is Aileen, did she give any more info?
4) How does Carrie keep her illness a secret when she failed the polygraph and they must have drug tests and given her family history
5) Why Saul indulge her so much when she is a liability
6) What is the probability of capturing 2 soldiers and keeping them alive and them both turning and willing to complete their new missions?”
Originally Posted by Kat 68:
“I have a horrible feeling we're not going to get an answer to a lot of the above questions. Unless the last episode is longer than usual just don't think there will be time to tie up all the loose ends. Still loving it though and so don't want it to end.”
“I have a horrible feeling we're not going to get an answer to a lot of the above questions. Unless the last episode is longer than usual just don't think there will be time to tie up all the loose ends. Still loving it though and so don't want it to end.”
The first three should be tidied up at least. The razor blade alone points to a mole and surely Aileen's being leaned on to provide information about her contacts?
We might never know what turned Walker.
He needs to be caught alive first, or we've got to be privvy to the same flashbacks for information that we get with Brody. For all Carrie's obvious flaws she works well bouncing ideas off Saul, maybe that's why he turns a blind eye to her obvious flaws?
Originally Posted by tally:
“
I've never seen that, I ws otherwise occupied at the time and telly was something to be fitted in.
You are so going to get it if I dont enjoy it as I've just forked out the princely sum of £3.75 for the DVD secondhand from amazon. If Bill Nighy and David Morrisey are in it, chances are high that I'll love it.
”
“
I've never seen that, I ws otherwise occupied at the time and telly was something to be fitted in.
You are so going to get it if I dont enjoy it as I've just forked out the princely sum of £3.75 for the DVD secondhand from amazon. If Bill Nighy and David Morrisey are in it, chances are high that I'll love it.”
I saw State of Play for the first time in January - you won't regret it, it's brilliant.
Originally Posted by Kat 68:
“I have a horrible feeling we're not going to get an answer to a lot of the above questions. Unless the last episode is longer than usual just don't think there will be time to tie up all the loose ends. Still loving it though and so don't want it to end.”
“I have a horrible feeling we're not going to get an answer to a lot of the above questions. Unless the last episode is longer than usual just don't think there will be time to tie up all the loose ends. Still loving it though and so don't want it to end.”
There are three more episodes to go!
Originally Posted by catsitter:
“There are three more episodes to go!”
“There are three more episodes to go!”
Yep, more than enough time to tie up some of the loose ends.
This series will be over all too quickly.
Originally Posted by Denley:
“Yep, more than enough time to tie up some of the loose ends.
This series will be over all too quickly.”
“Yep, more than enough time to tie up some of the loose ends.
This series will be over all too quickly.
”
Ha Ha, the final episode will end
to be continued.....
Originally Posted by Denley:
“I saw State of Play for the first time in January - you won't regret it, it's brilliant.”
“I saw State of Play for the first time in January - you won't regret it, it's brilliant.
”
Fantastic series, I agree, you won't regret it
Originally Posted by tealady:
“So what happened about the following:
1) the mole. Is he she still there? Has anyone realised there is a mole?
2) Brody's captor who topped himself - was that ever resolved? Was the 'razor in a shoe' bollocks the interim finding or the conclusion?
3) Where is Aileen, did she give any more info?
4) How does Carrie keep her illness a secret when she failed the polygraph and they must have drug tests and given her family history
5) Why Saul indulge her so much when she is a liability
6) What is the probability of capturing 2 soldiers and keeping them alive and them both turning and willing to complete their new missions?”
“So what happened about the following:
1) the mole. Is he she still there? Has anyone realised there is a mole?
2) Brody's captor who topped himself - was that ever resolved? Was the 'razor in a shoe' bollocks the interim finding or the conclusion?
3) Where is Aileen, did she give any more info?
4) How does Carrie keep her illness a secret when she failed the polygraph and they must have drug tests and given her family history
5) Why Saul indulge her so much when she is a liability
6) What is the probability of capturing 2 soldiers and keeping them alive and them both turning and willing to complete their new missions?”
Yes. I'd like to have answers to 1) 2) and 3)
I think we'll find out who the mole is, hopefully.
Originally Posted by tealady:
“Ha Ha, the final episode will end
to be continued.....”
“Ha Ha, the final episode will end
to be continued.....”
I hope not.
btw...tealady, I went to see Headhunters yesterday.
It was an immensely enjoyable film - thoroughly enjoyed it!
(glad I was oblivious to what it was about beforehand.)
I highly recommend it. (I know you've seen it.)
Originally Posted by Denley:
“I saw State of Play for the first time in January - you won't regret it, it's brilliant.”
“I saw State of Play for the first time in January - you won't regret it, it's brilliant.
”
I agree, it was terrific.
Originally Posted by Keyser Soze:
“My current theory (it changes every few hours, lol) is that Brody is being groomed to shoot the VP close up at a big televised event. Seconds later, Brody himself is meant to be shot by Walker with that fancy gun of his.”
“My current theory (it changes every few hours, lol) is that Brody is being groomed to shoot the VP close up at a big televised event. Seconds later, Brody himself is meant to be shot by Walker with that fancy gun of his.”
After Homeland, I recommend you watch 'The Manchurian Candidate' 1962 version.
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