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Homeland on Ch4 (UK Pace) - No Spoilers!
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Nansbread
30-04-2012
Originally Posted by qwerty282:
“So Brody is going to become a suicide bomber because of what happened with Isa? Because he became part of that family for a couple of years and saw how the American government had killed so many innocent people including Isa, and he is now going to blow himself and others up, because this is the only thing he now believes in, as conditioned by Abu Nazir. That's what the show is trying to say, right?

He's basically sacrificing himself for someone else's son. I just keep wondering about his family, especially his daughter. He must love them, or has this all been an act; does he feel that disconnected to them, that he readily agreed to do this? Is it because he's been turned or is it because he's been so disaffected and disillusioned by the war and his eight years worth of experience as a part of it, that this is the only reaction that he has to have to rationalise what's happened to him.

As you can see, I'm just really confused as to why Brody has decided to do this!”

All what you said above is true. But I think the blatant lies told on TV by the vice president (that the images of dead children were a terrorist propaganda) turned him. Besides, Isa was an incredibly lovable child.
Nansbread
30-04-2012
Originally Posted by Denley:
“Oh I know but I'm hopeful we won't be left totally stranded at the end....to be continued.

There has to be some satisfaction gleemed from watching next week's finale, or I'll be really miffed. ”

You wont regret it.

Make sure there is absolute silence at home, the phone is switched off, the back up generator filled with fuel, the non crackling type of crisps on hand and your contact lenses/glasses at hand......and of course your TV license paid...

because you are in for the best 1.5 hrs of TV of your life next sunday.
spaniel-lover
30-04-2012
Dana will save the day!
spaniel-lover
30-04-2012
Originally Posted by Ads:
“Jessica hasn't yet told Brody she is pregnant - could this cause him to have a last minute change of mind? Or at least not go ahead with the suicide bombing, and worm his way into the American government (setting up Season 2's plot nicely).”

When was it stated that she is pregnant? I was expecting her to say 'pregnant' when she said 'happy' in the motel room, but I don't recall it being categorically stated. If she is pregnant, then surly Mike could be the father.....
catsitter
30-04-2012
Please, no spoilers for the final episode!!!

I think Saul should have told Estes that Carrie was at home but in no fit state to go back to work instead of saying she was still in the hospital, because it would be so easy for Estes to find out he was lying. Wonder whether Estes will find out that Saul spent the night at Carrie's house and put the stuff up on the wall (and left it there, no worries about keeping the documents secret from Carrie's family!)
penelopesimpson
30-04-2012
Originally Posted by Keyser Soze:
“Wonder if the Gettysburg stuff about how the teacher from Maine saved the Union by behaving in an unusal manner in battle will become relevant next week?”

I think it was analgous with going hell for leather for something you believe in. Brody looking for reassurance for his forthcoming actions
alixfowler
30-04-2012
My mum and I were like oh no Dana has found the suicide vest and then Brody nipped it off her. I also sort of don't get why he is doing it now,I know why he wants to do it but like what has been said why leave his wife and kids?

Did anyone else think the wife was going to say she was pregnant last night and that could have been a game changer.
pookiesboo
30-04-2012
Always thought it was Saul who was the mole until last nights episode, most likely its Estes? This is probably the one show in a very long time where I dont want to know any spoilers, cant wait for next weeks finale. Claire Danes performance last night was ruddy brilliant!
Stansfield
30-04-2012
Originally Posted by spaniel-lover:
“Dana will save the day!”

Dana could be 'Vote' Brody's down fall....but where has Tom gone.
"Things are going to get pretty wild soon"

And that film of Brody standing still for a long time, being filmed by Dana, if it was me, I'd be worried after 2 minutes. It looked as if he was there for half an hour....with all the People walking by.

Originally Posted by highnal:
“The manic phase may last from days to months. It can include the following symptoms:
- Easily distracted
- Little need for sleep
- Poor judgment
- Poor temper control
- Reckless behavior and lack of self control
- Very elevated mood
- Excess activity (hyperactivity)
- Increased energy
- Racing thoughts
- Talking a lot
- Very high self-esteem (false beliefs about self or abilities)
- Very involved in activities
- Very upset (agitated or irritated)
”

Great acting yes...but Saul and other co-workers have never seen this before....and how did she deal with her illness out in the 'field'....in Iraq.

"Is there a Doctor we should call"
MrSuper
30-04-2012
Originally Posted by Nansbread:
“because you are in for the best 1.5 hrs of TV of your life next sunday. ”

The best 1hr and 45mins of your life including ad breaks! Sundays Homeland is from 9pm-10.45pm. Can't wait!!!
J-J
30-04-2012
A good episode setting up the finale perfectly (its getting very tense!)
Mrs F
30-04-2012
Originally Posted by Keyser Soze:
“Wonder if the Gettysburg stuff about how the teacher from Maine saved the Union by behaving in an unusal manner in battle will become relevant next week?”

good thinking.

I still think Brody is the good guy. I can't help wondering if he knows there is a "mole" in high places, and obviously, like us doesnt know who it is, which is why is he is so guarded with absolutely everybody. I get the impression, he knows he's being manipulated.

Agree with posters, Clare Danes acting in this episode was brilliant.
Jenny1986
30-04-2012
That really was a great episode, I can see why Claire Danes got a Golden Globe. I can't wait for next week, I'll be a bit sad when it's finished, I've enjoyed it so much.

For some reason I'm expecting Walker to shoot Brody, I have nothing to back this up, it just came to me when they showed the trailer for next week. I don't think Estes is the Mole either, it looked like he was just following protocol. I just hope it isn't Virgil, he seemed way to worried about Carrie last episode to be a traitor.

On a random note, I enjoyed watching Saul put together that timeline, it was just like watching Neil Buchanan doing a giant art attack. I was full of suspense.
mal2pool
30-04-2012
I thought Saul was the mole as he failed the first lie detector test. Great show. Not sure if Brody will go through with it in the end.
RecordPlayer
30-04-2012
Originally Posted by Keyser Soze:
“Maybe she finds the vest and cuts the wires.

I agree about Saul, he was very protective of Carrie.”

Something like that....I'd imagine she'd be trying to figure out what it is, and at the same time having a flash back of Brody telling her to look after her 'mom' should something happen to him.

Wonder how long it'll take Saul to work out that Brody is the missing piece and that Estes could be their leak/mole?
That's if Saul isn't the mole?
RecordPlayer
30-04-2012
Originally Posted by Stansfield:
“

Great acting yes...but Saul and other co-workers have never seen this before....and how did she deal with her illness out in the 'field'....in Iraq.”


Carrie's been able to keep her illness under control by taking medication, but her sister told Saul that it got worse due to the explosion - unbalanced her even more or something.
I thought Saul knew about it.

Estes had a fling with Carrie. He may have noticed she was erratic at times. Perhaps that's why he asked Galvez to keep an eye on her.
puddles
30-04-2012
Originally Posted by Keyser Soze:
“Ah, I see. It seemed like the camera was set in the middle of the steering wheel to me, judging by the way the shot moved. And the lens was sort of fish-eye, so I thought it might be them spying on him using a tiny camera implanted in the car.”

It was definitely taken with the daugher's camera; it was a GoPro HD Hero 2, and it has a fisheye mode. Search for it on youtube for example videos.
Keyser Soze
30-04-2012
Originally Posted by puddles:
“It was definitely taken with the daugher's camera; it was a GoPro HD Hero 2, and it has a fisheye mode. Search for it on youtube for example videos.”

Did you intend to patronise me? Thank you for telling me to go and look on youtube.

I had an opinion about why a certain camera angle was used for one shot.I couldn't give a stuff if people disagree with me.
spaniel-lover
30-04-2012
Originally Posted by catsitter:
“Please, no spoilers for the final episode!!!

I think Saul should have told Estes that Carrie was at home but in no fit state to go back to work instead of saying she was still in the hospital, because it would be so easy for Estes to find out he was lying. Wonder whether Estes will find out that Saul spent the night at Carrie's house and put the stuff up on the wall (and left it there, no worries about keeping the documents secret from Carrie's family!)”

It's only my opinion that Dana will be the heroine.
spaniel-lover
30-04-2012
Originally Posted by spaniel-lover:
“When was it stated that she is pregnant? I was expecting her to say 'pregnant' when she said 'happy' in the motel room, but I don't recall it being categorically stated. If she is pregnant, then surly Mike could be the father.....”

I'm not saying Mike is surly - I missed the 'e' out.
Denley
30-04-2012
Originally Posted by xynaria:
“Alternatively you could grow to love purple smilies ”

Never!

Originally Posted by allie4:
“Oh no! I want to know about him NOW.... or next week at least!
Can't wait hundreds of eps to find out which side he's on....:
(Denley and I will run out of purple smileys soon I feel)”

I fear that might be the case allie. I've avoided all spoilers and information on Homeland S2 so I'm in blissful ignorance of who's even in it - and don't want to know either. This has been a brilliant watch but deserves a decent conclusion to a lot of plotlines in this series - even if there are however many other series in the pipeline.

Originally Posted by Nansbread:
“You wont regret it.

Make sure there is absolute silence at home, the phone is switched off, the back up generator filled with fuel, the non crackling type of crisps on hand and your contact lenses/glasses at hand......and of course your TV license paid...

because you are in for the best 1.5 hrs of TV of your life next sunday. ”

Thanks this gives me hope the final ep will be well worth the watch.
Denley
30-04-2012
Originally Posted by RecordPlayer:
“Carrie's been able to keep her illness under control by taking medication, but her sister told Saul that it got worse due to the explosion - unbalanced her even more or something.
I thought Saul knew about it.

Estes had a fling with Carrie. He may have noticed she was erratic at times. Perhaps that's why he asked Galvez to keep an eye on her.”

Saul knew she was mentally unhinged, but seeing her in full blown rant would be a shock. Carrie's surveillance man (forgotten his name now) also knew the meds she was popping - but Carrie in full flow was something else, wasn't it?

Key to the finale for me is Saul, what he does or doesn't do with Carrie's information - particularly if he finds out what she knows about Brody.

Saul's in a dubious position - he gave permission for Carrie's illegal surveillance, put up the timeline etc - he's in it as deep as Carrie in the slapped wrists from the state stakes.

Will Estes/the VP try and take Saul out of the picture too next? The only thing they've not banked on is what Brody's plan actually is.....
catsitter
30-04-2012
Originally Posted by spaniel-lover:
“It's only my opinion that Dana will be the heroine.”

Sorry, it wasn't your post that worried me, it's the ones where people have said how great the final episode is.

Wonder why Carrie's sister didn't turn up to visit her in hospital - surely she would have been told that Carrie had been injured? In which case she would have made sure meds were sorted out when she was there, oh well, I suppose the plot wouldn't have worked then.
Paprika
30-04-2012
Where can I watch the series finale online? I'm trying to be good and hold out but it's not working!
puddles
30-04-2012
Originally Posted by Keyser Soze:
“Did you intend to patronise me? Thank you for telling me to go and look on youtube.

I had an opinion about why a certain camera angle was used for one shot.I couldn't give a stuff if people disagree with me.”


No, not at all - sorry to hear that you took it that way!

I've got one, think they're great, gave the model name and the fact that they've got a fisheye mode to explain the view they showed. Bit difficult to find out more about them without the model name. Some examples of what they can do are impressive, so I encouraged you and other readers to have a look - sorry I didn't make that clear and that you took offence.

I wasn't trying to score points or put you down :/
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