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Homeland on Ch4 (UK Pace) - No Spoilers!
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mel_drew
15-10-2012
Anyone else puzzled by Carrie's very abrupt reversion to blonde after dying her hair for the meeting with Fatima? Or did I miss something?
Craigywageybaby
15-10-2012
I can't remember the full content of the video which was recorded last season but what Saul saw last night was ambigious and could be construed and Brody's current situation. IE he would be well known, afterall he was a ex-POW who has made it to congress... so he'd be pretty famous anyway. That 'could' be explained away, but how it came into the possesion of a Hezbollah leader would be difficult to explain, unless another 'mole' is used an an explanation?

Was there is anything specific about being a terrorist in that video? I really can't remember I by whole theory hangs on that.

It's such a good series and it's got my mind working on overdrive!!
marks thespot
15-10-2012
Originally Posted by mimik1uk:
“is anyone else a bit disappointed by some of the events so far in s2

the main reason i got hooked on this show in the first series was how "real" it felt compared to similar shows but so far in these two episodes we have seen brody able to steal confidential files from a safe in the office of a cia director without getting caught , and now hes able to send a text message from inside a secure communications room in the pentagon to one of the most wanted terrorists in the world AND the target of the operation they were watching without it getting traced

just seems they are really stretching credibility too far to me”

Yep, I feel that way too. About Brody & Carrie especially. Love the show but I believed it could be true last series and I think that was what was so compelling. I really don''t anymore. All good fun though.

Originally Posted by mel_drew:
“Anyone else puzzled by Carrie's very abrupt reversion to blonde after dying her hair for the meeting with Fatima? Or did I miss something?”

Must have been a wig? I think she was foolish to go out without it afterwards though.
MoreTears
15-10-2012
Originally Posted by mel_drew:
“Anyone else puzzled by Carrie's very abrupt reversion to blonde after dying her hair for the meeting with Fatima? Or did I miss something?”

It was a wig.
elgransenor1
15-10-2012
But brody clearly won't be arrested, because if he was, it would spell the end of brody's doublelife, which this series has clearly be built upon, his conflict.
Bobsir
15-10-2012
I really enjoyed last night's episode. I practically screamed when Carrie ran into the Hezbollah commander's house and those men ran after her but after watching next week's trailer, I'm really looking forward to it.
paulschapman
15-10-2012
Originally Posted by mimik1uk:
“ and now hes able to send a text message from inside a secure communications room in the pentagon to one of the most wanted terrorists in the world AND the target of the operation they were watching without it getting traced ”

I thought the whole point was that he did not send a message, because he could n't and indeed he said (shouted) as much to his AQ handler.

The message warning of the hit came from the 'mole'
mel_drew
15-10-2012
Originally Posted by MoreTears:
“It was a wig.”

Ah. Ta.
elgransenor1
15-10-2012
no he did send a message. it clearly showed him sending MAY 1st on his phone, (presumably code for xfactor is now starting, abil, i suggest you return home immediately!) followed by showing brody shaking.

anyway I don't see why this would be unrealistic. I mean didn't anyone see hillary clinton sending bin laden a text during the kill mission? :P
Abewest
15-10-2012
Originally Posted by jordofs:
“Tonight's episode was amazing! Absolutely cannot wait until next Sunday to see the fallout of what Saul found.”

Brilliant, isn't it?

And great viewing figures too. As the godawful Hunted on BBC1 already sheds viewers by the millions after just its second episode, this just goes from strength to strength (I predict an Outcasts style exile to oblivion for that piece of tosh in the not too distant future - more of our millions wasted by the clowns in the BBC drama dept)

Long may Homeland continue.
Craigywageybaby
15-10-2012
Originally Posted by paulschapman:
“I thought the whole point was that he did not send a message, because he could n't and indeed he said (shouted) as much to his AQ handler.

The message warning of the hit came from the 'mole'”


I understood it that he meant it was too risky to continue sending messages from that situation. That was the point he was trying to get across to his AQ handler.
MrSuper
15-10-2012
Originally Posted by Craigywageybaby:
“I understood it that he meant it was too risky to continue sending messages from that situation. That was the point he was trying to get across to his AQ handler.”

Precisely.
Fio Montoya
15-10-2012
Just watched the first 2 eps together, think I will do that with all of them, I can wait two weeks but no longer!!! As for the mole, Saul wasn't the only one to fail the lie detector test, didn't Estes fail also? Could be that that both he and Brody are on the same team and don't even know it, and it would explain how they got hold of his safe combination. I can't help but think Saul is too obvious, though of course I really have no idea I love this show!!!
barnsleykeith
15-10-2012
Originally Posted by Craigywageybaby:
“I can't remember the full content of the video which was recorded last season but what Saul saw last night was ambigious and could be construed and Brody's current situation. IE he would be well known, afterall he was a ex-POW who has made it to congress... so he'd be pretty famous anyway. That 'could' be explained away, but how it came into the possesion of a Hezbollah leader would be difficult to explain, unless another 'mole' is used an an explanation?

Was there is anything specific about being a terrorist in that video? I really can't remember I by whole theory hangs on that.

It's such a good series and it's got my mind working on overdrive!!”

We only saw the beginning of Brody's suicide video at the end of ep 2. Just watched the whole thing again - it's at the start of episode 12 Season 1. There is no ambiguity in what he recorded. He clearly says some people will say he was broken and brain washed whilst in captivity. And that's the reason he turned traitor and became a terrorist. Taught to hate his country. But he then says why he did what he did. He loved his country. As a Marine he swore to protect the USA against enemies both foreign and domestic. His actions today, he says, are against such domestic enemies. He then tells how the VP and members of his National Security team murdered the schoolkids. Because they are liars and war criminals who were never held accountable for their actions, that makes them legitimate targets.

Saul has no idea what Brody was planning of course(assuming Saul is not the mole working for Abu Nazir - guess we will find out when we see what he does with the video). I think Saul will link Brody and Walker and assume they were working together. Brody's drunken brother in arms has worked out that Walker didn't miss the VP. He shot Gaines deliberately. So between them they have the answer to what was supposed to happen that day. But Saul may never get to meet Brody's mate. If he continues to mouth of he will become a liability. And will need to be silenced.
Squiggle
15-10-2012
Originally Posted by mimik1uk:
“is anyone else a bit disappointed by some of the events so far in s2

the main reason i got hooked on this show in the first series was how "real" it felt compared to similar shows but so far in these two episodes we have seen brody able to steal confidential files from a safe in the office of a cia director without getting caught , and now hes able to send a text message from inside a secure communications room in the pentagon to one of the most wanted terrorists in the world AND the target of the operation they were watching without it getting traced

just seems they are really stretching credibility too far to me”

You seem to be forgetting that like most thrillers this series is here to entertain an audience by telling a story. That it mixes some reality in with some creative license makes it that much more interesting.

If you are looking for something more in line with straight up accuracy then you are really asking for a documentary. That is not what this series or any other dramatic series for that matter is about. Once you and many others who shares your sentiment throw that part of the thinking process out, will you enjoy Homeland for what it is - entertainment. Very well done entertainment.
mimik1uk
15-10-2012
Originally Posted by Squiggle:
“You seem to be forgetting that like most thrillers this series is here to entertain an audience by telling a story. That it mixes some reality in with some creative license makes it that much more interesting.

If you are looking for something more in line with straight up accuracy then you are really asking for a documentary. That is not what this series or any other dramatic series for that matter is about. Once you and many others who shares your sentiment throw that part of the thinking process out, will you enjoy Homeland for what it is - entertainment. Very well done entertainment.”

stupid comment tbh and completely misses the point you were replying to

of course i know this is fiction and there is always going to be some poetic licence taken but that doesn't mean it cant feel real and the two examples i gave just stretch the limits of credibility too far imo

the best dramas are the ones that make you feel like it could really happen , series one felt like that but altho i am still enjoying the show i just think they are pushing the boundaries of credibility a bit too far
MrSuper
15-10-2012
Originally Posted by mimik1uk:
“the best dramas are the ones that make you feel like it could really happen , series one felt like that but altho i am still enjoying the show i just think they are pushing the boundaries of credibility a bit too far”

Just out of curiosity please tell me what dramas are out there currently that you feel could really happen? I would love to know.
Squiggle
15-10-2012
Originally Posted by mimik1uk:
“stupid comment tbh and completely misses the point you were replying to
of course i know this is fiction and there is always going to be some poetic licence taken but that doesn't mean it cant feel real and the two examples i gave just stretch the limits of credibility too far imo

the best dramas are the ones that make you feel like it could really happen , series one felt like that but altho i am still enjoying the show i just think they are pushing the boundaries of credibility a bit too far”

So your idea of responding to something that you don't agree with is by calling the response and its author, namely me, stupid. I'm all for open discussions and whether you concur or not with my comment doesn't necessarily require name calling. I guess that is the only way that you can express yourself which only serves to convey a lack of character. Nuff said.

Enjoy Homeland or not.
Ads
15-10-2012
Its worth remembering that some of us speculated that Saul might be the mole - although the counter argument would be why did he then agree for the hit on Nazir?

Something else worth mentioning - the actor who plays Saul is famous for not hanging around long in hit shows - we may eventually see Brody take him out.

On another matter, the Skype product placement was a little blatant!
mimik1uk
15-10-2012
Originally Posted by Squiggle:
“So your idea of responding to something that you don't agree with is by calling the response and its author, namely me, stupid. I'm all for open discussions and whether you concur or not with my comment doesn't necessarily require name calling. I guess that is the only way that you can express yourself which only serves to convey a lack of character. Nuff said.

Enjoy Homeland or not. ”

i am enjoying it , your trying to tell someone that they should try a documentary if they want something real rather than understanding the point i was making was stupid and rather patronising tbh

and btw you can consider a comment someone makes as stupid without actually saying that about the poster in general

what i said originally is what set aside this show in series one for me was how real it felt and the couple of examples i quoted that have taken place in this series just stretched that believability

and a few other posters have made similar observations
Nansbread
15-10-2012
Why is everyone asking about a mole? When there is this big lump of a cancer in the form of Brody. Everything else pales into insignificance. If there is anyone else in the CIA who is helping Brody (knowingly or unknowingly) they will be minor helpers. Not moles.
barnsleykeith
15-10-2012
Originally Posted by Ads:
“Its worth remembering that some of us speculated that Saul might be the mole - although the counter argument would be why did he then agree for the hit on Nazir?”

If Saul investigates the suicide video further, and tells other people about it, then that rules him out as the mole.
Fio Montoya
15-10-2012
Originally Posted by Nansbread:
“Why is everyone asking about a mole? When there is this big lump of a cancer in the form of Brody. Everything else pales into insignificance. If there is anyone else in the CIA who is helping Brody (knowingly or unknowingly) they will be minor helpers. Not moles.”

Because we want to know The mole is more threatening because nobody knows who it is, or how much power they have.
Virtual Paul
15-10-2012
I'm hoping Saul realises that Carrie was right and they decide to keep it quiet while they use Brody to track the baddies and out the mole that was not uncovered in season 1.

Otherwise as it stands Carrie is back sat at home so they must be about to change that somehow.

Though when they've already had the two captured yanks turned into terrorists, and there's always someone tipping off the baddies, it's already descending into the usual crap.

They're just keeping the story pace to a minimum and concentrating more on the characters to make it look like it's not the same old story done to death with 24.

Only Claire Danes is keeping me watching, and not for the usual reasons either. Her character owns this show. Brody is a sideshow.
Squiggle
15-10-2012
Originally Posted by mimik1uk:
“i am enjoying it , your trying to tell someone that they should try a documentary if they want something real rather than understanding the point i was making was stupid and rather patronising tbh

and btw you can consider a comment someone makes as stupid without actually saying that about the poster in general
what i said originally is what set aside this show in series one for me was how real it felt and the couple of examples i quoted that have taken place in this series just stretched that believability

and a few other posters have made similar observations”

Not in the way that you phrased it which apparently you can't or don't want to recognize. Anyway, I'm bored with this now. It's stupid. See the difference?

Peace Out!
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