[Plant]

They didn't even bother to make the bullying look that bad. It just looked like a couple of lads tripped him up and threw his books about.

And are we really supposed to accept he is that thick that he didn't realise throwing all his stuff off a cliff might lead people to think he was dead.

[avon942]

And how was George able to join 6th form? He wouldn't have any gcses or personal details to give and he was homeless and wouldn't want to be traced back to hi real home??

[tinkie]

Originally Posted by Reo

I loved the Lynsey, Annalise and Cheryl scenes.. "I'm sorry that for the first 20 minutes I called you Lizzy." lol

But the George storyline, I did like it, but couldn't help but wonder what was going on and not in a good writing mystery way, more a long the lines or, are they making this up as they go along?

Andrew died in July, the 6th formers went to the college in September(?) Are we meant to believe that in those two months George found Phoebe, found a squat and he got his life together so much that he somehow entered 6th form, even though George Smith doesn't exist and he also became best friends with Maddie and Tilly before they went to 6th form?!

That all happened between the time he died in July to the time when we first saw him in September. That doesn't make any bit of sense. How did Maddie and George meet? I would have thought George would have been more occupied with trying to adapt to living on the street than making friends with others. I also don't think in those two months he would have decided to join a 6th form. He would have been too upset by the bullying and leaving his family, it was only two months.

Why did they pick July of all months? Why not sooner in the year, allow more time to explain how George made friends with the others and with Phoebe and then decided to go to 6th form after he had 'settled' into his new life.

and amass a large wardrobe of clothes that he managed to keep clean where there was no running water and top up and charge an expensive phone with no electricity either. I think you are right Reo, they are making it up as they go along

[TheMunch]

Did anyone else laugh when Annalise was talking to her mother about Lady Gaga and said "she's not a real Lady"? I think she meant "Lady" with a capital L, as in a title. But I originally heard it as her talking about those rumours surrounding her gender a couple years ago.

Also, how does a few textbooks on the bottom of a cliff mean you're dead? If George (or Andrew) threw his clothes and Noddy hat, then it'd be more convincing but he just threw a bunch of textbooks which doesn't mean anything. I can't remember if he threw his bag as well.

[JoToBo]

Originally Posted by Reo

I loved the Lynsey, Annalise and Cheryl scenes.. "I'm sorry that for the first 20 minutes I called you Lizzy." lol

But the George storyline, I did like it, but couldn't help but wonder what was going on and not in a good writing mystery way, more a long the lines or, are they making this up as they go along?

Andrew died in July, the 6th formers went to the college in September(?) Are we meant to believe that in those two months George found Phoebe, found a squat and he got his life together so much that he somehow entered 6th form, even though George Smith doesn't exist and he also became best friends with Maddie and Tilly before they went to 6th form?!

That all happened between the time he died in July to the time when we first saw him in September. That doesn't make any bit of sense. How did Maddie and George meet? I would have thought George would have been more occupied with trying to adapt to living on the street than making friends with others. I also don't think in those two months he would have decided to join a 6th form. He would have been too upset by the bullying and leaving his family, it was only two months.

Why did they pick July of all months? Why not sooner in the year, allow more time to explain how George made friends with the others and with Phoebe and then decided to go to 6th form after he had 'settled' into his new life.

The Cheryl/Lynsey/ Annalise SL, whilst being a filler is a full of holes as most of the SLs since the Silas plot ended. There is no way on earth the cultured Annalise is going to accept the burping antics of her new found friends. The George SL appears, as you say, to be written it as they go along and is really disappointing and really quite ludricious. I loved HO but of late the SLs are all over the place, with no symmetry, past actions are forgotten and everything seems to be a 'lets rewrite the whole past of HO scenario' . I know I keep being negative about HO atm but to be honest all I am seeing is negative.

[Reo]

Originally Posted by TheMunch

Did anyone else laugh when Annalise was talking to her mother about Lady Gaga and said "she's not a real Lady"? I think she meant "Lady" with a capital L, as in a title. But I originally heard it as her talking about those rumours surrounding her gender a couple years ago.

Also, how does a few textbooks on the bottom of a cliff mean you're dead? If George (or Andrew) threw his clothes and Noddy hat, then it'd be more convincing but he just threw a bunch of textbooks which doesn't mean anything. I can't remember if he threw his bag as well.

His clothes would have been with his 'body' that was never found, but the tie and books gave the impression that he fell/jumped and the water took his 'body' out.

[lulu g]

Originally Posted by Vanessa73

Annalise is so boring! Even Maddie is better!

I wouldn't go that far.

[Brekkie]

Originally Posted by belomb

George didn't know they thought he was dead. He thought they just weren't looking for him...but they saw all his stuff over the cliff and assumed he was dead!!

It all makes sense now!!!!

Well it doesn't actually. He went on about no missing person reports being placed, so he must have googled himself - which surely would have come up with reports of his death.

Originally Posted by Reo

I loved the Lynsey, Annalise and Cheryl scenes.. "I'm sorry that for the first 20 minutes I called you Lizzy." lol

But the George storyline, I did like it, but couldn't help but wonder what was going on and not in a good writing mystery way, more a long the lines or, are they making this up as they go along?

Andrew died in July, the 6th formers went to the college in September(?) Are we meant to believe that in those two months George found Phoebe, found a squat and he got his life together so much that he somehow entered 6th form, even though George Smith doesn't exist and he also became best friends with Maddie and Tilly before they went to 6th form?!

That all happened between the time he died in July to the time when we first saw him in September. That doesn't make any bit of sense. How did Maddie and George meet? I would have thought George would have been more occupied with trying to adapt to living on the street than making friends with others. I also don't think in those two months he would have decided to join a 6th form. He would have been too upset by the bullying and leaving his family, it was only two months.

Why did they pick July of all months? Why not sooner in the year, allow more time to explain how George made friends with the others and with Phoebe and then decided to go to 6th form after he had 'settled' into his new life.

As soon as this scene was spoiled in the promo (how we'd be talking differently tonight if it hadn't been) I said it would just open up more holes in the plot. It just makes no sense.

Originally Posted by JoToBo

The Cheryl/Lynsey/ Annalise SL, whilst being a filler is a full of holes as most of the SLs since the Silas plot ended. There is no way on earth the cultured Annalise is going to accept the burping antics of her new found friends.

Not at all - Annalise only really knows Cheryl from her course and sees her as a mature student, and Annalise sees herself as maturer than the others. And then she obviouisly gets there and it isn't what she expects - but a couple of glasses of wine later she is adapting her behaviour to suit the people around her.

She's outshined everyone this week too, while I think the writing for Rob has been really good too and gone completely against the grain of what we'd expect. Really happy to see all the positive comments here about Annalise especially and the students in general - and pretty much agree with the general concensus they all should stay but wouldn't mind Will getting the chop.

As for the teens - although I think a couple could be dropped I wouldn't go for a teen massacre as the last thing any of us want is another huge influx of teens to replace them. I'd ditch Tilly, Neil and possibly Sinead and George and let the others see out one more year of Sixth Form so they aren't replaced until September 2013.

[avon942]

Originally Posted by TheMunch

Did anyone else laugh when Annalise was talking to her mother about Lady Gaga and said "she's not a real Lady"? I think she meant "Lady" with a capital L, as in a title. But I originally heard it as her talking about those rumours surrounding her gender a couple years ago.

Also, how does a few textbooks on the bottom of a cliff mean you're dead? If George (or Andrew) threw his clothes and Noddy hat, then it'd be more convincing but he just threw a bunch of textbooks which doesn't mean anything. I can't remember if he threw his bag as well.

Yeah he through he's bag over as well

[iShum]

I've seen worse bullying in Glee, and that's not an insult to that show cos they've done the bullying side of things fantastically. I think HO could learn from that

I don't get it. George was bullied so much he felt he had no choice but to pretend he'd died and start afresh? Logistics aside, they could have done that so well but if what was in tonights episode is all we're going to see of that - wow, what a let down. Obviously the storyline hasn't finished yet but I'm guessing within a week it'll be wrapped

I'm still gutted I missed Liberty

[lillabet]

Originally Posted by iShum

I've seen worse bullying in Glee, and that's not an insult to that show cos they've done the bullying side of things fantastically. I think HO could learn from that

I don't get it. George was bullied so much he felt he had no choice but to pretend he'd died and start afresh? Logistics aside, they could have done that so well but if what was in tonights episode is all we're going to see of that - wow, what a let down. Obviously the storyline hasn't finished yet but I'm guessing within a week it'll be wrapped

I'm still gutted I missed Liberty

He didn't pretend he had died he ran away, they found his things and assumed he fell off the cliff, and was washed out to sea, thats why they hadn't looked for him

[fenpeper]

Bullying doesn't have to be 'bad' (not sure what was meant by that) it just has to be constant erosion of self esteem, erosion of self worth and relentless. Bullying, even of the so called teasing, is enough to make people desperate.

[Vanessa73]

Originally Posted by fenpeper

Bullying doesn't have to be 'bad' (not sure what was meant by that) it just has to be constant erosion of self esteem, erosion of self worth and relentless. Bullying, even of the so called teasing, is enough to make people desperate.

Yes, you're right. That's what happened to me.

[iShum]

Originally Posted by Vanessa73

Annalise is so boring! Even Maddie is better!

woah don't get too carried away there

Originally Posted by lillabet

He didn't pretend he had died he ran away, they found his things and assumed he fell off the cliff, and was washed out to sea, thats why they hadn't looked for him

oh okay thanks for clearing that up for me, makes a bit more sense now

[Plant]

Originally Posted by iShum

woah don't get too carried away there



oh okay thanks for clearing that up for me, makes a bit more sense now

No, it really doesn't. It's still nonsense.

[Vanessa73]

Originally Posted by iShum

woah don't get too carried away there



oh okay thanks for clearing that up for me, makes a bit more sense now

I liked the Maddie/Callum/George scenes today.

[PoorSeymour]

I've been trying to cover some of the George/Andrew SL plotlines in my head, because I have to at least try.

In the case of him going to 6th Form, it may have been possible for him to do so based on the fact that he already applied. If I recall correctly, (which I probably don't), applications to higher eduacation are made in May, depending on test results. It is also not necessary for parents to be overly involved in the process. (Just letters sent to an address, assuming he had an alternative one). Of course, given that he burnt this theory to the ground by just deciding to leave and doing so on the same day, it could also be said that he applied for the 6th Form later with an alternative address.

Warning: Above paragraph may be bloody confusing.

Also, I'm assuming that at the age of 15, George may have had some sort of bank account, although why this wouldn't have been frozen and dealt with after his 'death' is unclear, unless his prents either didn't know about it or just forgot about it through grief. Therefore, if he had cleaned it out in one day and been living off it ever since, no one would be any the wiser if they weren't monitoring that particular account.

[iShum]

Originally Posted by fenpeper

Bullying doesn't have to be 'bad' (not sure what was meant by that) it just has to be constant erosion of self esteem, erosion of self worth and relentless. Bullying, even of the so called teasing, is enough to make people desperate.

oh believe me I know, what I meant by my comment was that I was expecting the entire storyline to be more gritty than it has been. The wonderful thing about a TV show is that they can go the whole hog and use their very loud voice to be the voice of much quieter people in a similar position in real life. If they wanted to go down that path, one which I would always fully support, it deserves to be done over time to show the effect it has. Not rushed out in a few 30 second flashbacks

But you know, it's always comes down to the same thing. We can rave or rant about things as much as we like but if it makes one person pick up a phone and talk to someone, it's done a wonderful job

[avon942]

Originally Posted by Vanessa73

I liked the Maddie/Callum/George scenes today.

So did I, I knew they were make that scene the cliff hanger though

[Vanessa73]

Originally Posted by avon942

So did I, I knew they were make that scene the cliff hanger though

I love their friendship. And Maddie was so much better today. She really tried to help George.

[essexpete]

Originally Posted by vkmax

The actor quit to do other things and just vanished at the exact same time as Sarah Dunn. Probably because they were both bought in quite dark and twisty with the promise of big stories then as soon as PM left they became background characters.

The guy who played Pete left to do a sitcom(IIRC)

[essexpete]

the Maddie bashing is unwarranted

[Vanessa73]

Originally Posted by essexpete

the Maddie bashing is unwarranted

I used to hate her, but i think she's better now.

[avon942]

Originally Posted by Vanessa73

I love their friendship. And Maddie was so much better today. She really tried to help George.

I'm glad she did because we finally discovered what in earth happened to George even if it doesn't make sense! I do like their friendship.

I think we should find out about Phoebes past and why she's homeless although I guess that will depend on whether she becomes a reagular wouldn't it?

[Vanessa73]

Originally Posted by avon942

I'm glad she did because we finally discovered what in earth happened to George even if it doesn't make sense! I do like their friendship.

I think we should find out about Phoebes past and why she's homeless although I guess that will depend on whether she becomes a reagular wouldn't it?

I love Phoebe! The actress is amazing! I hope she stays!