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The lyrics to 'You Belong With Me' aren't meant to be terribly deep and insightful. They're just showing that Taylor is different to the other girl and do the job well. She doesn't need to have a deep and poetic lyrics because "she wears short skirts, I wear t-shirts" does the job perfectly well.
Some of her other songs have very personal lyrics, they're not at all profound but you can tell they mean a lot to her. Taylor writes a lot of her songs herself and is very young, as is her career, so there is plenty of time for improvement and development, and when comparing lyrics from her first album to her most recent you can already see how she's improved. I'm not a massive Taylor fan and neither am I a massive Adele fan. I don't understand why people compare the pair when their songs and lyrics are on completely different ends of the spectrum- intentionally. |
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So based on that taylor got her 20M award for 20M albums shipped, i dont think so.
Taylor and big machine used the word SOLD not shipped or in packed in cases or whatever other state you want to put them in. When big machine issue a statement its because its fact, when taylor states it, its because its fact. And going along your logic that no one knows how many albums an artsit has sold then adeles 30M albums sold or whatever the latest number adele fans are using is actually for shipped not sold, maybe adele has only sold 10M, now thats expalins it and it a more logical value anyway, i could never understand how she has sold so many when i only know 5 people who have bought the album, but its all clear to me now. ![]() Shakes head. OK. I tried. You believe what you want to believe, if it makes you feel better. |
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The lyrics to 'You Belong With Me' aren't meant to be terribly deep and insightful. They're just showing that Taylor is different to the other girl and do the job well. She doesn't need to have a deep and poetic lyrics because "she wears short skirts, I wear t-shirts" does the job perfectly well. Some of her other songs have very personal lyrics, they're not at all profound but you can tell they mean a lot to her. Taylor writes a lot of her songs herself and is very young, as is her career, so there is plenty of time for improvement and development, and when comparing lyrics from her first album to her most recent you can already see how she's improved.
I'm not a massive Taylor fan and neither am I a massive Adele fan. I don't understand why people compare the pair when their songs and lyrics are on completely different ends of the spectrum- intentionally. And Taylor was a session songwriter before she got a record contract so has been writing music professionally for many more years then she has been her own artist so as a pro songwriter she is not really that new to the game. |
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Shakes head. OK. I tried. You believe what you want to believe, if it makes you feel better.
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I believe what taylor and her record company say, not a figure someone on a forum might just pluck out of the air.
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Anyone who is even remotely interested in taylors music knows that many of her song content some fantastic lyrics, its not a case of "she has improved" its just that some songs just require more complex lyrics. This basically shows what a skillful songwriter taylor is, she can change the whole feel of the song by the style of songwrting she uses amd that why anyone who is anyone in music has praised taylor's songwriting.
And Taylor was a session songwriter before she got a record contract so has been writing music professionally for many more years then she has been her own artist. It's always a case of "she's improved", Taylor is a long way from having consistently brilliant lyrics, but so are most of the current singers we have now, they all have plenty of room for improvement, and that's OK because their careers are only just starting to bloom. |
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Anyone who is even remotely interested in taylors music knows that many of her song content some fantastic lyrics, its not a case of "she has improved" its just that some songs just require more complex lyrics. This basically shows what a skillful songwriter taylor is, she can change the whole feel of the song by the style of songwrting she uses amd that why anyone who is anyone in music has praised taylor's songwriting.
And Taylor was a session songwriter before she got a record contract so has been writing music professionally for many more years then she has been her own artist so as a pro songwriter she is not really that new to the game. And seeing as 'You belong with me' is intentionally simple, what example would you give of a really, really good Swift lyric?
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I believe what taylor and her record company say, not a figure someone on a forum might just pluck out of the air.
That's all you do! You never ever back up facts with links or proof. Whenever another poster asks you to prove what you say, you totally ignore the post/request. You're a total time-waster and troll. It's people like you that give forum users a bad name. |
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I don't think anyone is expecting deep and insightful lyrics, or lyrics which are incredibly intricate, or complex. Indeed, simplicity can be an excellent art form in any of the arts - especially music. But it's a skill, and simplicity can be conveyed with eloquence, and maturity - it does not have to be thoughtless. "she wears short skirts, I wear t-shirts", is not a bad lyric in itself - indeed, none of Taylor's lyrics are. The problem is the piece of the music as a whole. You Belong With Me as a whole, just comes across as list of observational truisms. Observational truisms are fine, but they need to be developed, and re-fined, interpreted and conveyed in a simplistically wonderful way - not just left on their own.
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Did you even read my post in full? I said exactly what you have repeated to me. The song in question, which happened to be 'You Belong With Me' didn't require the complex lyrics, and there's no point putting them in just to show off lyrical abilities when it's unneeded, it's only meant to be a cute and fun song. Other songs by Taylor have deep lyrics, but You Belong With Me doesn't have nor need them.
It's always a case of "she's improved", Taylor is a long way from having consistently brilliant lyrics, but so are most of the current singers we have now, they all have plenty of room for improvement, and that's OK because their careers are only just starting to bloom. Taylor dont need to improve she will adapt her lyrics to match the song as you pointed out in your earlier post. When the complex lyrics are needed taylor delievers when the fun lyrics are needs she does that as well. its things like this that makes her such a great multi dimensional songwriter, many people here just dont understand that. |
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I was just agreeing with most you were saying just trying to give you some credit for understanding how taylor writes
Taylor dont need to improve she will adapt her lyrics to match the song as you pointed out in your earlier post. When the complex lyrics are needed taylor delievers when the fun lyrics are needs she does that as well. its things like this that makes her such a great multi dimensional songwriter, many people here just dont udnerstand that.
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Oh, sorry.
![]() . Doing what taylor does is extremely difficult as any experienced songwriter would agree on. Writing the correct lyrics however simple they may appear is what often makes or breaks a song, some of the biggest hits of all time have very simple lyrics, whilst the most complex song lyrically end up being just album tracks.
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No problems, in hindsight my post was a bit confusing but all I was doing was highlighting you as someone who could actually understand how taylor writes and why when taylor writes simple lyrics that dont mean she is a poor lyricist but rather writing to fit in with a style of song
. Doing what taylor does is extremely difficult as any experienced songwriter would agree on. Writing the correct lyrics however simple they may appear is what often makes or breaks a song, some of the biggest hits of all time have very simple lyrics, whilst the most complex song lyrically end up being just album tracks.
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I will remind you of this post next time you try and dismiss another artists lyrics as being stupid/generic/crap/simplistic.
![]() ![]() There is no such thing as poor lyrics, only poor songs overall. |
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geordielady I like both artists but every post you make in here is so biast your opinion isn't really valid! Why are you so obsessed with mocking Adele? I don't actually understand it it's very weird and bizzare. Taylor Swift is a very successful singer and guess what.. so is Adele so just leave it?!
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they have appreciation threads for crap like this, dont need boring threads like this here, then again, boring music - boring threads, hand in hand
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in the US 21 sold 716,000 this week, 19 sold 85,000, adele is over the 7 million mark in the US for 21 and the 18 million mark worldwide (with this weeks worldwide sales yet to come), shw will break the 4 million sales barrier for 21 in the uk next week
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No problems, in hindsight my post was a bit confusing but all I was doing was highlighting you as someone who could actually understand how taylor writes and why when taylor writes simple lyrics that dont mean she is a poor lyricist but rather writing to fit in with a style of song
. Doing what taylor does is extremely difficult as any experienced songwriter would agree on. Writing the correct lyrics however simple they may appear is what often makes or breaks a song, some of the biggest hits of all time have very simple lyrics, whilst the most complex song lyrically end up being just album tracks.What makes me disregard Taylor's writing is that it's not that its simple white horse is great but its the immaturity i find hard to grasp for instance you oughta know was written by alanis at 19 Take teh box by amy at 19 wuthering heights by kate at 17 she stills writes very much in a child like way which is my main issue shes older than myself yet worlds away from anything i can relate to or about |
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I get what you mean Adele's lyrics are simplistic but powerful.
What makes me disregard Taylor's writing is that it's not that its simple white horse is great but its the immaturity i find hard to grasp for instance you oughta know was written by alanis at 19 Take teh box by amy at 19 wuthering heights by kate at 17 she stills writes very much in a child like way which is my main issue shes older than myself yet worlds away from anything i can relate to or about |
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you have to view the lyrics in the context of the song
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I think the lyrics to white horse are excellent, you have to view the lyrics in the context of the song, thats what make a good lyric and thats whats hard when one person writes the lyrics and music. WH is a brilliant song, one of my favs and the one that got me into taylor. Still sends sihvers down my spine when I hear it.
![]() I like Taylor as a pop artist i do but i will never relate to her on the level of others like Adele simply because unlike all the many pople i have mentioned she is totally and categorically unrelatable to anyone of my age which to me is what makes Adele for me the better lyricist
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For me it was Love Story but overall Fearless is my fave
![]() I like Taylor as a pop artist i do but i will never relate to her on the level of others like Adele simply because unlike all the many pople i have mentioned she is totally and categorically unrelatable to anyone of my age which to me is what makes Adele for me the better lyricist ![]() I can still relate to taylor's lyrics as she writes about things me and I guess most women older then taylor have experienced, it brings back our younger years. Love story is a great song, its a great upliftting song that hard to get fed up with. An example of a simple song thats turned into a classic |
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You dont have to be a certain age to appreciate good music regardless of the age of the artist, great music spans generations, taylors music does that.
I can still relate to taylor's lyrics as she writes about things me and I guess most women older then taylor have experienced, it brings back our younger years. Love story is a great song, its a great upliftting song that hard to get fed up with. An example of a simple song thats turned into a classic And i wouldn't call love story a classic its odd more people remember you belong with me i find also i rate Breath much more highly in fairness apart from 5 songs 7 including the platinum edition i enjoy it it was Speak now which turned me off |
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Well no for me i have asked people in my age group ranging from 17 upwards and none like her for the simple fact they cannot relate which to me is like if you cant relate to your own generation let alone transcend to others then as a lyricist goes is not at all good for me i like her bt i wouldn't necessarily rate her as one of the world greatest ever songwriters.
I just appreciate great music, taylor writes great music, shes a great person and a brilliant performer, for someone like me she ticks all the boxes I look for in an artist. |
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GL, why do you bother?
I admire your tenacity but after Adele's performance tonight at the Brits, your foes have no argument. Adele was so offkey it was embarrassing. |
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