Why do I get the feeling that this need to 'acknowledge' Team Adele would not be an issue if the subject was a male singer-songwriter?
Adele Is Great But So Is Her Songwriting Team
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Originally Posted by geordielady:
“Who is having a dig at adele
, all i did was praise her songwriting team in post #2 which is really what this thread was created for.”
“Who is having a dig at adele
, all i did was praise her songwriting team in post #2 which is really what this thread was created for.”
Yes and in subsequent posts you have belittled her and regularly said she is of a lesser worth than lesser talents someones being a hypocrite again.
And the fact stands people simply are annoyed that Adele is outdoing pretty much everyone with little promotion and a solid albums and singles and seek to find reasons why and when its just that it's a good record they try to rain on her parade with little regard or understanding.
Originally Posted by PADDY75:
“Why do I get the feeling that this need to 'acknowledge' Team Adele would not be an issue if the subject was a male singer-songwriter?”
“Why do I get the feeling that this need to 'acknowledge' Team Adele would not be an issue if the subject was a male singer-songwriter?”
Makes no difference whatsoever. I think if some people were more realistic about the talent of artists it would be less of an issue. There's no shame in needing help to write songs but at the same time it probably is a sign that you're not really "amazing" or anything special as a singer-songwriter...yet.
Originally Posted by geordielady:
“The biggest laugh is the usual adele stans dragging tayor swift into yet another adele thread.
I mean i know they are clearly jealous of her and they know she is in a different class to adele but surely they need to find another artist maybe at adeles level to get jealous on.”
“The biggest laugh is the usual adele stans dragging tayor swift into yet another adele thread.
I mean i know they are clearly jealous of her and they know she is in a different class to adele but surely they need to find another artist maybe at adeles level to get jealous on.”
Noone ever compared TS and Adele untill 21 was released last year. Then YOU started comparing them, posting in the Adele '21' thread(now incorporated into the Adele app thread part one) about Taylors sales figures and how Adele would never equal them, you even posted a thread about your predictions for '21' sales, where you compared her to Taylors sales wise.
You only have yourself to blame if people are comparing them now.
Originally Posted by Hotelier:
“Noone ever compared TS and Adele untill 21 was released last year. Then YOU started comparing them, posting in the Adele '21' thread(now incorporated into the Adele app thread part one) about Taylors sales figures and how Adele would never equal them, you even posted a thread about your predictions for '21' sales, where you compared her to Taylors sales wise.
You only have yourself to blame if people are comparing them now.”
“Noone ever compared TS and Adele untill 21 was released last year. Then YOU started comparing them, posting in the Adele '21' thread(now incorporated into the Adele app thread part one) about Taylors sales figures and how Adele would never equal them, you even posted a thread about your predictions for '21' sales, where you compared her to Taylors sales wise.
You only have yourself to blame if people are comparing them now.”
LMAO........ the irony of that is killing me
Originally Posted by lil lexie:
“I think she's got a fabulous voice but I've found her songs quite weak tbh, it's only her performance that carries them off, had they been done by someone less gifted vocally, they wouldn't have been nearly as popular as they are.”
“I think she's got a fabulous voice but I've found her songs quite weak tbh, it's only her performance that carries them off, had they been done by someone less gifted vocally, they wouldn't have been nearly as popular as they are.”
You know, apart from chasing pavements I completely agree, her performance is incredible, and that's what sells the songs, she could work with anyone, but definitely the Brits have the edge with her. She is completely amazing, and didn't Paul ep worth Say that she could sing the phone book and get a Grammy!
Originally Posted by ImAlina:
“You guys, chill out. She didnt write alone her songs, but she did write like 80% of them. She was the one that came up with the general ideas and all songs are inspired from her real life.
19 album was almost entirely written by her and its amazing. she is an amazing song writer, and the thing that matters the most is that she's writing from her heart, that its not fiction.
Like someone else said, Hometown Glory was written when she was only 16, in a few minutes. Now tell me that is not amazing!
Also, for someone that is not into literature and poems she writes ****ing good music.
And dont come and tell me that she won 6 grammys for co-written music. Well, she's not the only one that has co-writers, is she? They all have. And yet, she was the one that won.”
“You guys, chill out. She didnt write alone her songs, but she did write like 80% of them. She was the one that came up with the general ideas and all songs are inspired from her real life.
19 album was almost entirely written by her and its amazing. she is an amazing song writer, and the thing that matters the most is that she's writing from her heart, that its not fiction.
Like someone else said, Hometown Glory was written when she was only 16, in a few minutes. Now tell me that is not amazing!
Also, for someone that is not into literature and poems she writes ****ing good music.
And dont come and tell me that she won 6 grammys for co-written music. Well, she's not the only one that has co-writers, is she? They all have. And yet, she was the one that won.”
I'm not going to get into a huge childish argument on here, that is what usually happens on here.
However I do have to correct you on your '80%' from the official publishing figures, Adele actually wrote 40-45% of 21.
I have previously posted this on another thread and as usual got lambasted for it. I'm not getting into an argument I just can't understand why people post their own rhetoric as fact.
Originally Posted by DLeon:
“She co-wrote her songs... So?
Do you think you came across something that would end her career or something? She has never said she writes all her songs, so what's the point in this thread?”
“She co-wrote her songs... So?
Do you think you came across something that would end her career or something? She has never said she writes all her songs, so what's the point in this thread?”
She most definitely co-wrote all her songs on 21. I always look at the credits for the songs on every album I get as I like to see who was involved.
The fact she is involved very heavily in the creative process is a good thing especially compared to those who do nothing but come and sing what they are told to (and that is me criticising bands I love who I know are manufactured).
EDIT: Sorry she co-wrote all but one of the songs on 21, just double checked the credits in the album sleeve.
Imagine you're a nobody but can write great songs.So a record Company wants you to write a song for their major artist.It soon becomes clear the artist doesn't have anything decent to contribute but what often happens is that you have no choice but to allow credit to the artist because you want another assignment and need to keep your foot in the door.
You can soon tell the artist just sat there when it'a all vague after the song is written about who did what.Everyone knows who it was who wrote the lyrics and who wrote the melody.The songwriter has to go along with the myth it was a co - write since the artist has too much power.
You can soon tell the artist just sat there when it'a all vague after the song is written about who did what.Everyone knows who it was who wrote the lyrics and who wrote the melody.The songwriter has to go along with the myth it was a co - write since the artist has too much power.
I bought 21 when it first came out and couldn't get into it, I then gave it to my partner who loved it instantly. I borrowed it again recently, found it had grown on me a little but it's still a little 'meh'.
I love Adele as a person and think 'Rolling in the Deep' is class but for me, the songs don't grab me.
It's one of those albums I think you may feel press-ganged into believing is great when in reality, it's just good/okay.
I love Adele as a person and think 'Rolling in the Deep' is class but for me, the songs don't grab me.
It's one of those albums I think you may feel press-ganged into believing is great when in reality, it's just good/okay.
Originally Posted by jcheekychappy:
“I'm not going to get into a huge childish argument on here, that is what usually happens on here.
However I do have to correct you on your '80%' from the official publishing figures, Adele actually wrote 40-45% of 21.
I have previously posted this on another thread and as usual got lambasted for it. I'm not getting into an argument I just can't understand why people post their own rhetoric as fact.”
“I'm not going to get into a huge childish argument on here, that is what usually happens on here.
However I do have to correct you on your '80%' from the official publishing figures, Adele actually wrote 40-45% of 21.
I have previously posted this on another thread and as usual got lambasted for it. I'm not getting into an argument I just can't understand why people post their own rhetoric as fact.”
To be fair you've just posted a figure there with nothing to back it up, so how are you any different to the posters you criticise in your last paragraph?
Originally Posted by Sarah_Ellacott:
“She most definitely co-wrote all her songs on 21. I always look at the credits for the songs on every album I get as I like to see who was involved.
The fact she is involved very heavily in the creative process is a good thing especially compared to those who do nothing but come and sing what they are told to (and that is me criticising bands I love who I know are manufactured).
EDIT: Sorry she co-wrote all but one of the songs on 21, just double checked the credits in the album sleeve.”
“She most definitely co-wrote all her songs on 21. I always look at the credits for the songs on every album I get as I like to see who was involved.
The fact she is involved very heavily in the creative process is a good thing especially compared to those who do nothing but come and sing what they are told to (and that is me criticising bands I love who I know are manufactured).
EDIT: Sorry she co-wrote all but one of the songs on 21, just double checked the credits in the album sleeve.”
I'm like that, it's the first thing I do! And I agree completely.
Originally Posted by Blavatsky:
“Imagine you're a nobody but can write great songs.So a record Company wants you to write a song for their major artist.It soon becomes clear the artist doesn't have anything decent to contribute but what often happens is that you have no choice but to allow credit to the artist because you want another assignment and need to keep your foot in the door.
You can soon tell the artist just sat there when it'a all vague after the song is written about who did what.Everyone knows who it was who wrote the lyrics and who wrote the melody.The songwriter has to go along with the myth it was a co - write since the artist has too much power.”
“Imagine you're a nobody but can write great songs.So a record Company wants you to write a song for their major artist.It soon becomes clear the artist doesn't have anything decent to contribute but what often happens is that you have no choice but to allow credit to the artist because you want another assignment and need to keep your foot in the door.
You can soon tell the artist just sat there when it'a all vague after the song is written about who did what.Everyone knows who it was who wrote the lyrics and who wrote the melody.The songwriter has to go along with the myth it was a co - write since the artist has too much power.”
Speaking in general terms there's probably going to be some truth in that.
If the songwriter kicked up a fuss they'd probably never work again.
Originally Posted by WelshNige:
“To be fair you've just posted a figure there with nothing to back it up, so how are you any different to the posters you criticise in your last paragraph?”
“To be fair you've just posted a figure there with nothing to back it up, so how are you any different to the posters you criticise in your last paragraph?”
It's not hard to find that the album 21 has multiple publishers, due to the multiple songwriters involved.
Now Adele and one other writer are published by UMG, yet UMG only holds 50% of the rights to 21.
Now i'm no mathematician but that means that Adele's share is no greater than 50%.
QED.
Originally Posted by jcheekychappy:
“It's not hard to find that the album 21 has multiple publishers, due to the multiple songwriters involved.
Now Adele and one other writer are published by UMG, yet UMG only holds 50% of the rights to 21.
Now i'm no mathematician but that means that Adele's share is no greater than 50%.
QED.”
“It's not hard to find that the album 21 has multiple publishers, due to the multiple songwriters involved.
Now Adele and one other writer are published by UMG, yet UMG only holds 50% of the rights to 21.
Now i'm no mathematician but that means that Adele's share is no greater than 50%.
QED.”
So you are talking about publishing percentages, as opposed to the actual percentage of the songs themselves that Adele wrote?
Originally Posted by Blavatsky:
“Imagine you're a nobody but can write great songs. So a record Company wants you to write a song for their major artist. It soon becomes clear the artist doesn't have anything decent to contribute but what often happens is that you have no choice but to allow credit to the artist because you want another assignment and need to keep your foot in the door.
You can soon tell the artist just sat there when it'a all vague after the song is written about who did what. Everyone knows who it was who wrote the lyrics and who wrote the melody.
The songwriter has to go along with the myth it was a co - write since the artist has too much power.”
“Imagine you're a nobody but can write great songs. So a record Company wants you to write a song for their major artist. It soon becomes clear the artist doesn't have anything decent to contribute but what often happens is that you have no choice but to allow credit to the artist because you want another assignment and need to keep your foot in the door.
You can soon tell the artist just sat there when it'a all vague after the song is written about who did what. Everyone knows who it was who wrote the lyrics and who wrote the melody.
The songwriter has to go along with the myth it was a co - write since the artist has too much power.”
I have friends who were offered a recording contract by Island Records, it was for their songwriting abilities not for their singing/performing although they were good at both. Anyone who agrees to that type of contract knows they're going to be seeing someone else sing their creations so I don't get the "pity me" idea that you seem to be implying here.
As an aside, they turned it down and chose instead a six month gigging contract playing at a complex in Greece and then had a major fall out about six weeks out there and split up
Originally Posted by jcheekychappy:
“It's not hard to find that the album 21 has multiple publishers, due to the multiple songwriters involved.
Now Adele and one other writer are published by UMG, yet UMG only holds 50% of the rights to 21.
Now i'm no mathematician but that means that Adele's share is no greater than 50%.
QED.”
“It's not hard to find that the album 21 has multiple publishers, due to the multiple songwriters involved.
Now Adele and one other writer are published by UMG, yet UMG only holds 50% of the rights to 21.
Now i'm no mathematician but that means that Adele's share is no greater than 50%.
QED.”
Sorry not following the logic there, publishing rights aren't that simple.
Originally Posted by Cadiva:
“I have friends who were offered a recording contract by Island Records, it was for their songwriting abilities not for their singing/performing although they were good at both. Anyone who agrees to that type of contract knows they're going to be seeing someone else sing their creations so I don't get the "pity me" idea that you seem to be implying here.
As an aside, they turned it down and chose instead a six month gigging contract playing at a complex in Greece and then had a major fall out about six weeks out there and split up
Sorry not following the logic there, publishing rights aren't that simple.”
“I have friends who were offered a recording contract by Island Records, it was for their songwriting abilities not for their singing/performing although they were good at both. Anyone who agrees to that type of contract knows they're going to be seeing someone else sing their creations so I don't get the "pity me" idea that you seem to be implying here.
As an aside, they turned it down and chose instead a six month gigging contract playing at a complex in Greece and then had a major fall out about six weeks out there and split up
Sorry not following the logic there, publishing rights aren't that simple.”
hmm yes they are.
Each song is split accordingly and published on behalf of each writer by their respective publishing companies.
Your opening gambit proves you have no idea about any form of contracts as a major label would not offer someone a record deal based on their songwriting. The songs that they wrote would be owned by that person's publishing company and absolutely nothing to do with a record label.
Originally Posted by jcheekychappy:
“hmm yes they are.
Each song is split accordingly and published on behalf of each writer by their respective publishing companies.
Your opening gambit proves you have no idea about any form of contracts as a major label would not offer someone a record deal based on their songwriting. The songs that they wrote would be owned by that person's publishing company and absolutely nothing to do with a record label.”
“hmm yes they are.
Each song is split accordingly and published on behalf of each writer by their respective publishing companies.
Your opening gambit proves you have no idea about any form of contracts as a major label would not offer someone a record deal based on their songwriting. The songs that they wrote would be owned by that person's publishing company and absolutely nothing to do with a record label.”
But again that's business percentages, as opposed to the actual percentage of the songs that Adele wrote, which I assume you do not know.
Originally Posted by WelshNige:
“So you are talking about publishing percentages, as opposed to the actual percentage of the songs themselves that Adele wrote?”
“So you are talking about publishing percentages, as opposed to the actual percentage of the songs themselves that Adele wrote?”
Quite, which is not as simple, exactly what I said.
Originally Posted by jcheekychappy:
“hmm yes they are.
Each song is split accordingly and published on behalf of each writer by their respective publishing companies.
Your opening gambit proves you have no idea about any form of contracts as a major label would not offer someone a record deal based on their songwriting. The songs that they wrote would be owned by that person's publishing company and absolutely nothing to do with a record label.”
“hmm yes they are.
Each song is split accordingly and published on behalf of each writer by their respective publishing companies.
Your opening gambit proves you have no idea about any form of contracts as a major label would not offer someone a record deal based on their songwriting. The songs that they wrote would be owned by that person's publishing company and absolutely nothing to do with a record label.”
I know exactly what I'm talking about, they were offered a contract with Island Records to write songs FOR Island Records, they would be published BY Island Records and sung by artists signed TO Island Records, which bit of that did you fail to understand?
That's why they turned them down, because they wanted to record their own work and not see it performed by someone else.
Adele writes or co-writes all her songs, that's why the critics and fans love her, because she is a real talent who has the whole package!
Originally Posted by Cadiva:
“Quite, which is not as simple, exactly what I said.
I know exactly what I'm talking about, they were offered a contract with Island Records to write songs FOR Island Records, they would be published BY Island Records and sung by artists signed TO Island Records, which bit of that did you fail to understand?
That's why they turned them down, because they wanted to record their own work and not see it performed by someone else.”
“Quite, which is not as simple, exactly what I said.
I know exactly what I'm talking about, they were offered a contract with Island Records to write songs FOR Island Records, they would be published BY Island Records and sung by artists signed TO Island Records, which bit of that did you fail to understand?
That's why they turned them down, because they wanted to record their own work and not see it performed by someone else.”
Wow such conviction for such utter nonsense.
Island records does not have it's own stand alone publishing company. Island records is owned by UMG and UMG Publishing is a completely separate company from UMG.
You are the one who fails to understand.
To make this easier for you.. A record company does not own the publishing of anyone's songs. A record company would NEVER EVER EVER offer someone a record deal on the premise that they were to write songs for someone else.
The record company does not earn any money from royalties.
Someone who was simply writing songs for someone else would be offered a publishing deal but not a recording deal.
You have either totally misheard what your friends were telling you or they were lying. I'm sorry that you are confused by all of this.
On the other points,
I don't claim to know direct credits for each song but i'm just stating the facts that i have and that's Adele's overall publishing credit for 21 is less than 50%.
I also know if you take a look at the credits for 21, the other writers have far more credits than Adele. Not only did they write, they composed, arranged, played all the instruments in that given song while Adele's credit is predominantly for vocals.
I'm not trying to get into a fight i'm just correcting previous misinformation.
The thing with Adele is that its albout me, me, me with her, she wants all the attention and loves it. She couldnt care less about her team, she probably even shoves them to the side when the paps are taking a pic of her. Its her team thats the 'talent' not her.
Originally Posted by AJ3:
“The thing with Adele is that its albout me, me, me with her, she wants all the attention and loves it. She couldnt care less about her team, she probably even shoves them to the side when the paps are taking a pic of her. Its her team thats the 'talent' not her.”
“The thing with Adele is that its albout me, me, me with her, she wants all the attention and loves it. She couldnt care less about her team, she probably even shoves them to the side when the paps are taking a pic of her. Its her team thats the 'talent' not her.”
And you know this how? I hadn't realised you accompanied her to award ceremonies.
Originally Posted by AJ3:
“The thing with Adele is that its albout me, me, me with her, she wants all the attention and loves it. She couldnt care less about her team, she probably even shoves them to the side when the paps are taking a pic of her. Its her team thats the 'talent' not her.”
“The thing with Adele is that its albout me, me, me with her, she wants all the attention and loves it. She couldnt care less about her team, she probably even shoves them to the side when the paps are taking a pic of her. Its her team thats the 'talent' not her.”
I must have imagined the team of songwriters and producers standing behind her on the Grammys stage as she accepted her award then
Originally Posted by Waldstein:
“I must have imagined the team of songwriters and producers standing behind her on the Grammys stage as she accepted her award then”
“I must have imagined the team of songwriters and producers standing behind her on the Grammys stage as she accepted her award then
”
standing BEHIND HER, thanks dude for proving my point, thanks, much appreciated
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