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Old 16-02-2012, 11:37
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http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/s1...deo-watch.html

He's just released the video for the song

How do you think it will do? Was he right to release so soon after X Factor?

Also does anyone know is it getting much radio play?
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Old 16-02-2012, 12:09
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he's on the radio 2 A playlist, and capital are hammering him; so I expect a number one, top 3 at the lowest. That week is empty for him.

He's right to release now. All he needs is 4 good singles and a platinum album, which should be easy. And then promote his 3rd/4th singles on XF and the 3rd single on BGT finals. He should be ok. And then start working on his new album in the autumn for a summer 2013 release if all goes well.
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Old 16-02-2012, 12:18
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he's on the radio 2 A playlist, and capital are hammering him; so I expect a number one, top 3 at the lowest. That week is empty for him.

He's right to release now. All he needs is 4 good singles and a platinum album, which should be easy. And then promote his 3rd/4th singles on XF and the 3rd single on BGT finals. He should be ok. And then start working on his new album in the autumn for a summer 2013 release if all goes well.
what about his pension, and when should he aim to retire by?
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Old 16-02-2012, 12:27
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Eek. They've gone too far with the make up and overly manicured hair. Looks slimy now.
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Old 16-02-2012, 12:39
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It's only been 2 months since XF so people still remember him I think... it should be a top 10 hit but will drop very fast the next week..
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Old 16-02-2012, 13:50
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I absolutely love his version of this song! Although the organ on it makes me think of Halloween

I really hope it does well because I have been worried for him ever since he announced it as his first single. I haven't met one person with anything positive to say about him doing this cover.

My prediction would be maybe top 5 then drop very quickly. Looking forward to hearing his album.
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Old 16-02-2012, 14:29
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Reminds me of Madness mixed with UB40. I think its bloody awful but will probably get to number 1.
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Old 16-02-2012, 17:13
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I can't believe people are saying it will get to number 1! That makes me incredibly happy! I love the song and Marcus, but I'm incredibly sure it will flop
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Old 16-02-2012, 17:46
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Good time for a release. I cant understand the whole waiting a year to put a single out, unless theyve got amazing song-writers to work with, by then the new XF year are on the scene and last years is forgotten. Just to have a couple of singles out from now until the album is ready seems a good idea to keep up a fanbase. The song is decent, I like the original but I dont think this cover is too bad and it should do well if it gets enough airplay. Good luck to him.
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Old 16-02-2012, 18:17
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It's awful.

So bad, I feel I must post the original, just to bring balance to the universe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J2QdDbelmY&ob=av2e
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Old 16-02-2012, 18:51
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In that article he says that he "hopes people like my take" on the song. I'm sorry, but if he keeps on saying things like this then I have to keep on bringing up the fact that 'his' take is a total carbon copy of the Ben L'Oncle Soul version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDwIly7Y8l4&ob=av2e
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Old 16-02-2012, 19:06
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i think it will go top 10, radio is going nuts for this track. i have heard the song tons of times on a selection of channels.
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Old 16-02-2012, 19:12
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This will go down a storm at Tynecastle!

Ooooh the Hibees...
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Old 16-02-2012, 20:35
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In that article he says that he "hopes people like my take" on the song. I'm sorry, but if he keeps on saying things like this then I have to keep on bringing up the fact that 'his' take is a total carbon copy of the Ben L'Oncle Soul version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDwIly7Y8l4&ob=av2e
Wow. I'd never heard this version before but the Marcus Collins version is identical! If he (or his record company) doesn't get sued for this I'll be very surprised.
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Old 16-02-2012, 21:16
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This will go down a storm at Tynecastle!

Ooooh the Hibees...
Totally!
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Old 16-02-2012, 22:08
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Wow. I'd never heard this version before but the Marcus Collins version is identical! If he (or his record company) doesn't get sued for this I'll be very surprised.
how can you be sued for doing a cover of a cover? No sweat, I dont think he'll have known about that version, but the label would. I just wish it was funkier, its quite basic for a soul track.
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Old 16-02-2012, 22:18
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Wow. I'd never heard this version before but the Marcus Collins version is identical! If he (or his record company) doesn't get sued for this I'll be very surprised.
it is a huge rip off in terms of the production of the song. they cant really sue because of that though.
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Old 16-02-2012, 22:22
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it is a huge rip off in terms of the production of the song. they cant really sue because of that though.
I do wonder where it'll chart. It might be at the top spot for 2 weeks, and then maybe Alexandra Burke's new track will take the top spot after it. I hope they both top the chart - and she's off to america this year, confirmed it on twitter today!
I want marcus to be successful, poor lad needs all the help he can get as people have always been against him - well from the facebook comments and so.
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Old 16-02-2012, 22:24
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how can you be sued for doing a cover of a cover? No sweat, I dont think he'll have known about that version, but the label would. I just wish it was funkier, its quite basic for a soul track.
You're right, I don't think they can be sued and that makes it even worse. They cynically chose to rip off someone else's work knowing that there was nothing (legally) that Ben L'Oncle could do about it and that they didn't have to give him any credit. I think that's quite despicable.

And it's more than just the production. The tempo is identical, the key signature is identical, even the vocal intonations are identical. Play the two youtube videos alongside each other and see for yourself http://underparis.blogspot.com/2012/...-of-cover.html

As to whether Marcus knew about the Ben L'Oncle version or not, I don't know but either way it's not a good sign. If he didn't know than that means that he's happy to just let his record label tell him exactly what songs to record and how to record them (not a good sign). If he did know then he knowingly ripped off someone else and is now trying to pass it off as his own work (also not a good sign).
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Old 16-02-2012, 22:27
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You're right, I don't think they can be sued and that makes it even worse. They cynically chose to rip off someone else's work knowing that there was nothing (legally) that Ben L'Oncle could do about it and that they didn't have to give him any credit. I think that's quite despicable.

And it's more than just the production. The tempo is identical, the key signature is identical, even the vocal intonations are identical. Play the two youtube videos alongside each other and see for yourself http://underparis.blogspot.com/2012/...-of-cover.html

As to whether Marcus knew about the Ben L'Oncle version or not, I don't know but either way it's not a good sign. If he didn't know than that means that he's happy to just let his record label tell him exactly what songs to record and how to record them (not a good sign). If he did know then he knowingly ripped off someone else and is now trying to pass it off as his own work (also not a good sign).
Depends, he was in quite a rush to record the album, hence the lack of change in the versions. I dont think its a case of let them tell him, he's under pressure to get it done quickly, and I think he's co written 7 songs apparently. Its only his debut so no need to tear into him yet. I just hope it goes platinum (at the lowest) so he can record his next one and really grow as an artist. I dont like the Ben' version. It feels dull IMO.
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Old 16-02-2012, 22:48
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And it's more than just the production. The tempo is identical, the key signature is identical, even the vocal intonations are identical. Play the two youtube videos alongside each other and see for yourself http://underparis.blogspot.com/2012/...-of-cover.html
yes, but how is that anything other than ripping off the production?
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Old 16-02-2012, 23:02
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yes, but how is that anything other than ripping off the production?
Ok, there we could debate what exactly is production and what is mixing/engineering/artist's interpretation etc. I clearly have a more general view of production than you do. For example, I would say that the production on Amerie's '1 Thing' was a bit of a rip off of the production on Beyonce's 'Crazy In Love'* and that all of Dr Luke's songs have very similar production, even though they're a lot less similar than the two versions of Seven Nation Army. But I think we can both agree that Marcus's version copied an awful lot from Ben L'Oncle Soul's version, whether you want to call it just production or production plus other stuff.

*I know they were both done by the same producer, it's just the first example I thought of.
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Old 17-02-2012, 00:32
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I clearly have a more general view of production than you do.
why? because i don't agree with your viewpoint or because i don't give elaborate explanations, when really its quite simple.
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Old 17-02-2012, 00:42
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why? because i don't agree with your viewpoint or because i don't give elaborate explanations, when really its quite simple.
I think you misunderstand what I was trying to say. I didn't mean that I know more than you or that you're wrong, just that we clearly both mean different things when we talk about the production of a track. Which is fine. I was just trying to explain what I meant when I said it was more than just production similarities.

I should have phrased that sentence better, when I wrote it I didn't realise it could be understood to mean that 'my view of production is better than yours'. English isn't my first language (although I have been living in the UK for years) and sometimes I miss things like that. Sorry if you took it another way but I was actually trying to acknowledge our differences and move on rather than insult you. I only wanted to stop an off-topic debate before it got out of hand...
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Old 17-02-2012, 01:34
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I think you misunderstand what I was trying to say. I didn't mean that I know more than you or that you're wrong, just that we clearly both mean different things when we talk about the production of a track. Which is fine. I was just trying to explain what I meant when I said it was more than just production similarities.

I should have phrased that sentence better, when I wrote it I didn't realise it could be understood to mean that 'my view of production is better than yours'. English isn't my first language (although I have been living in the UK for years) and sometimes I miss things like that. Sorry if you took it another way but I was actually trying to acknowledge our differences and move on rather than insult you. I only wanted to stop an off-topic debate before it got out of hand...
that`s ok, i apologise for taking the sentence out of context. i wasn't insulted though, more shocked than anything else and you are right. in principle, you are on the same page on this issue.
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