Apple wins slide to unlock ruling.....

Stiggles · 17-02-2012, 11:37

Now i don't see how considering they were not the first to ever use this. NeoNode were.....

Motorola since claim they will appeal the ruling however i don't think its going to be an issue now.

Since Google are about to take over Motorola they will of course be using Android on all their phones which in Ice Cream Sandwich they have the new face unlock feature so negates the slide to unlock.

I do sometimes think apple have the judges in their pockets.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17058508

Stuart_h · 17-02-2012, 12:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stiggles

Now i don't see how considering they were not the first to ever use this. NeoNode were.....

Motorola since claim they will appeal the ruling however i don't think its going to be an issue now.

Since Google are about to take over Motorola they will of course be using Android on all their phones which in Ice Cream Sandwich they have the new face unlock feature so negates the slide to unlock.

I do sometimes think apple have the judges in their pockets.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17058508

The Patent was awarded (I believe) in 2010. Loads of people had been using this prior to that..... Dont see how you can go off and Patent somthing that is already 'in the wild'.

It would be like me going off and patenting 'a drink that is brown' and suing Coke, Pepsi, All types of coffee/tea and even Bovril !

and101 · 17-02-2012, 12:50

I wonder if anyone owns the patent for a device you look at or listen to?

psionic · 17-02-2012, 12:53

The whole patent system is in dire need of a massive overhaul. There's far too much patent-trolling going on these days. People with technical experience and common sense should be awarding patents, not pen pushing legal suits IMHO.

Dai13371 · 17-02-2012, 12:56

Another stupid court ruling. Anyone know if the Munich courts have taken deliveries of new i devices recently?

alanwarwic · 17-02-2012, 13:07

Historically I'm sure it was good business for the patent office gave these so that companies could have a trademarked name(like the words 'slide to unlock'). They just never expected anyone to sue over it.

No doubt Apple will have tried to patent most on screen buttons and knobs too.

Viridiana · 17-02-2012, 13:15

Apple is never right. The justice system just loves them. Honestly people...

Stiggles · 17-02-2012, 13:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Viridiana

Apple is never right. The justice system just loves them. Honestly people...

Well how can they be considering another phone company used this years before apple?

pumazooma · 17-02-2012, 13:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart_h

The Patent was awarded (I believe) in 2010. Loads of people had been using this prior to that..... Dont see how you can go off and Patent somthing that is already 'in the wild'.!

But it was filed in about 2005.

grumpyoldbat · 17-02-2012, 14:01

That's the other stupidity about all of this - they grant patents for stuff that's already out because they take so damn long to look at it. Either the USPTO has a horrendous backlog of stuff, or their processes for examining something just take too long.

Imagine if any of you went into work today and your boss gave you something to do and you said, "OK I'll have that for you in 2017!" He'd laugh and then hand you a P45!

Viridiana · 17-02-2012, 14:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stiggles

Well how can they be considering another phone company used this years before apple?

It's all a conspiracy. Only the public Knows the truth. Maybe all judges are Apple users and were reviewing the case in their Ipads. That's why Apple won. All Courts are corrupt, but just if they award Apple any win, if not they are allright.

Stiggles · 17-02-2012, 14:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Viridiana

It's all a conspiracy. Only the public Knows the truth. Maybe all judges are Apple users and were reviewing the case in their Ipads. That's why Apple won. All Courts are corrupt, but just if they award Apple any win, if not they are allright.

Now, try again without the smartarse reply....

How do you explain the fact it has been used by a company called NeoNode years before apple came along with it?

paulbrock · 17-02-2012, 14:19

Well funnily enough Google is still waiting on a patent for a notification bar (now in IOS5) (filed 3 years ago)
http://phandroid.com/2012/02/17/goog...-09-fun-facts/

The other thing I saw in response to this story was someone pointing out that the US Patent and Trademark Office recently had an exhibition on Apple and Steve Jobs patents.....not that they're close or anything

http://www.slashgear.com/steve-jobs-...-now-23197633/

Quote:

“This exhibit commemorates the far-reaching impact of Steve Jobs’ entrepreneurship and innovation on our daily lives,” said Under Secretary of Commerce for Intellectual Property and Director of the USPTO David Kappos. “His patents and trademarks provide a striking example of the importance intellectual property plays in the global marketplace.”

Stiggles · 17-02-2012, 14:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulbrock

Well funnily enough Google is still waiting on a patent for a notification bar (now in IOS5) (filed 3 years ago)
http://phandroid.com/2012/02/17/goog...-09-fun-facts/

Oh dear!

Funny thing is, i bet my house when this gets approved which obviously it will then they sue apple which they will, apple get away with it.

Viridiana · 17-02-2012, 14:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stiggles

Now, try again without the smartarse reply....

How do you explain the fact it has been used by a company called NeoNode years before apple came along with it?

They won the case against Motorola. What do you want me to say? That judges are stupid and there is a conspiracy to favour Apple? It's quite simple and self explanatory why they won. It's patent law.
But really I'm not surprised there is bafflement Apple won, a huge percentage of of DS believes with all their might that no smartphone in the market bears even a slight resemblance to the template created by Apple. It's quite funny this sort of selective blindness seem to be concentrated here, it really has not spread to courts.

ACU · 17-02-2012, 14:32

This win only applies to the German market. It would be interesting to see if other markets agree with this ruling or not.

Stiggles · 17-02-2012, 14:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Viridiana

They won the case against Motorola. What do you want me to say? That judges are stupid and there is a conspiracy to favour Apple? It's quite simple and self explanatory why they won. It's patent law.
But really I'm not surprised there is bafflement Apple won, a huge percentage of of DS believes with all their might that no smartphone in the market bears even a slight resemblance to the template created by Apple. It's quite funny this sort of selective blindness seem to be concentrated here, it really has not spread to courts.

Ah see this is where people like you suffer selected blindness.

Apple did not create that template. LG did. NeoNode also first started using slide to unlock.

Still going to ignore those facts?

Viridiana · 17-02-2012, 14:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stiggles

Ah see this is where people like you suffer selected blindness.

Apple did not create that template. LG did. NeoNode also first started using slide to unlock.

Still going to ignore those facts?

What facts? Apple won. More factual than this is impossible.
And yes, I forgot the golden rule, in DS, but just in DS, all smartphones in the market are distinctly different from the Apple template.

Dai13371 · 17-02-2012, 14:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Viridiana

They won the case against Motorola. What do you want me to say? That judges are stupid and there is a conspiracy to favour Apple? It's quite simple and self explanatory why they won. It's patent law.
But really I'm not surprised there is bafflement Apple won, a huge percentage of of DS believes with all their might that no smartphone in the market bears even a slight resemblance to the template created by Apple. It's quite funny this sort of selective blindness seem to be concentrated here, it really has not spread to courts.

And we'd be right seeing as all modern smart-phones bear a resemblance to the template first created by LG.

"We consider that Apple copied the Prada phone after the design was unveiled when it was presented in the iF Design Award and won the prize in September 2006.” - Woo-Young Kwak, head of LG Mobile Handset R&D Center

Stiggles · 17-02-2012, 14:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Viridiana

What facts? Apple won. More factual than this is impossible.

Oh dear. blindness set in i see.

I would hate to be like this. Dunno how folk can live dismissing things right in front of them.......

Stiggles · 17-02-2012, 14:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dai13371

And we'd be right seeing as all modern smart-phones bear a resemblance to the template first created by LG.

"We consider that Apple copied the Prada phone after the design was unveiled when it was presented in the iF Design Award and won the prize in September 2006.” - Woo-Young Kwak, head of LG Mobile Handset R&D Center

Oh, this will be dismissed with a smartarse reply that makes little sense....lol

Viridiana · 17-02-2012, 14:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stiggles

Oh dear. blindness set in i see.

I would hate to be like this. Dunno how folk can live dismissing things right in front of them.......

What? They didn't won? I thought they did.

Viridiana · 17-02-2012, 14:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stiggles

Oh, this will be dismissed with a smartarse reply that makes little sense....lol

Come on this is quite comic, everytime i came to DS it's like i step into a parallel world that bears no resemblance to any discussion about technology anywhere.
I quite like it actually, sometimes it's a good read, but this thread was getting to much into conspiracy theory territory, and that is stupid, it's quite obvious why Apple won, and Motorola would have used much better arguments than any you can provide in this thread.

paulbrock · 17-02-2012, 14:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dai13371

And we'd be right seeing as all modern smart-phones bear a resemblance to the template first created by LG.

not like the industry wasn't heading that way anyway. A few weeks after iphone announced, Samsung also announced this:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_f700-1849.php

johnnybgoode83 · 17-02-2012, 15:18

He who has the money, has the power.

The whole patent system needs some serious reform because at this stage it is almost stifling innovation rather than encouraging it.

17-02-2012, 11:37	#1
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Apple wins slide to unlock ruling..... Now i don't see how considering they were not the first to ever use this. NeoNode were..... Motorola since claim they will appeal the ruling however i don't think its going to be an issue now. Since Google are about to take over Motorola they will of course be using Android on all their phones which in Ice Cream Sandwich they have the new face unlock feature so negates the slide to unlock. I do sometimes think apple have the judges in their pockets..... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17058508

17-02-2012, 12:48	#2
Stuart_h Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,474	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles Now i don't see how considering they were not the first to ever use this. NeoNode were..... Motorola since claim they will appeal the ruling however i don't think its going to be an issue now. Since Google are about to take over Motorola they will of course be using Android on all their phones which in Ice Cream Sandwich they have the new face unlock feature so negates the slide to unlock. I do sometimes think apple have the judges in their pockets..... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17058508 The Patent was awarded (I believe) in 2010. Loads of people had been using this prior to that..... Dont see how you can go off and Patent somthing that is already 'in the wild'. It would be like me going off and patenting 'a drink that is brown' and suing Coke, Pepsi, All types of coffee/tea and even Bovril !

17-02-2012, 12:50	#3
and101 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 2,074	I wonder if anyone owns the patent for a device you look at or listen to?

17-02-2012, 12:53	#4
psionic Forum Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Crystal Palace TX Posts: 19,702	The whole patent system is in dire need of a massive overhaul. There's far too much patent-trolling going on these days. People with technical experience and common sense should be awarding patents, not pen pushing legal suits IMHO.

17-02-2012, 12:56	#5
Dai13371 Forum Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Ammanford, South Wales Posts: 7,911	Another stupid court ruling. Anyone know if the Munich courts have taken deliveries of new i devices recently?

17-02-2012, 13:07	#6
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	Historically I'm sure it was good business for the patent office gave these so that companies could have a trademarked name(like the words 'slide to unlock'). They just never expected anyone to sue over it. No doubt Apple will have tried to patent most on screen buttons and knobs too.

17-02-2012, 13:15	#7
Viridiana Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 7,605	Apple is never right. The justice system just loves them. Honestly people...

17-02-2012, 13:49	#8
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by Viridiana Apple is never right. The justice system just loves them. Honestly people... Well how can they be considering another phone company used this years before apple?

17-02-2012, 13:50	#9
pumazooma Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,040	Quote: Originally Posted by Stuart_h The Patent was awarded (I believe) in 2010. Loads of people had been using this prior to that..... Dont see how you can go off and Patent somthing that is already 'in the wild'.! But it was filed in about 2005.

17-02-2012, 14:01	#10
grumpyoldbat Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 3,636	That's the other stupidity about all of this - they grant patents for stuff that's already out because they take so damn long to look at it. Either the USPTO has a horrendous backlog of stuff, or their processes for examining something just take too long. Imagine if any of you went into work today and your boss gave you something to do and you said, "OK I'll have that for you in 2017!" He'd laugh and then hand you a P45!

17-02-2012, 14:06	#11
Viridiana Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 7,605	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles Well how can they be considering another phone company used this years before apple? It's all a conspiracy. Only the public Knows the truth. Maybe all judges are Apple users and were reviewing the case in their Ipads. That's why Apple won. All Courts are corrupt, but just if they award Apple any win, if not they are allright.

17-02-2012, 14:09	#12
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by Viridiana It's all a conspiracy. Only the public Knows the truth. Maybe all judges are Apple users and were reviewing the case in their Ipads. That's why Apple won. All Courts are corrupt, but just if they award Apple any win, if not they are allright. Now, try again without the smartarse reply.... How do you explain the fact it has been used by a company called NeoNode years before apple came along with it?

17-02-2012, 14:19	#13
paulbrock Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wapping, London Posts: 16,222	Well funnily enough Google is still waiting on a patent for a notification bar (now in IOS5) (filed 3 years ago) http://phandroid.com/2012/02/17/goog...-09-fun-facts/ The other thing I saw in response to this story was someone pointing out that the US Patent and Trademark Office recently had an exhibition on Apple and Steve Jobs patents.....not that they're close or anything http://www.slashgear.com/steve-jobs-...-now-23197633/ Quote: “This exhibit commemorates the far-reaching impact of Steve Jobs’ entrepreneurship and innovation on our daily lives,” said Under Secretary of Commerce for Intellectual Property and Director of the USPTO David Kappos. “His patents and trademarks provide a striking example of the importance intellectual property plays in the global marketplace.”

17-02-2012, 14:24	#14
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by paulbrock Well funnily enough Google is still waiting on a patent for a notification bar (now in IOS5) (filed 3 years ago) http://phandroid.com/2012/02/17/goog...-09-fun-facts/ Oh dear! Funny thing is, i bet my house when this gets approved which obviously it will then they sue apple which they will, apple get away with it.

17-02-2012, 14:32	#15
Viridiana Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 7,605	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles Now, try again without the smartarse reply.... How do you explain the fact it has been used by a company called NeoNode years before apple came along with it? They won the case against Motorola. What do you want me to say? That judges are stupid and there is a conspiracy to favour Apple? It's quite simple and self explanatory why they won. It's patent law. But really I'm not surprised there is bafflement Apple won, a huge percentage of of DS believes with all their might that no smartphone in the market bears even a slight resemblance to the template created by Apple. It's quite funny this sort of selective blindness seem to be concentrated here, it really has not spread to courts.

17-02-2012, 14:32	#16
ACU Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 7,916	This win only applies to the German market. It would be interesting to see if other markets agree with this ruling or not.

17-02-2012, 14:43	#17
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by Viridiana They won the case against Motorola. What do you want me to say? That judges are stupid and there is a conspiracy to favour Apple? It's quite simple and self explanatory why they won. It's patent law. But really I'm not surprised there is bafflement Apple won, a huge percentage of of DS believes with all their might that no smartphone in the market bears even a slight resemblance to the template created by Apple. It's quite funny this sort of selective blindness seem to be concentrated here, it really has not spread to courts. Ah see this is where people like you suffer selected blindness. Apple did not create that template. LG did. NeoNode also first started using slide to unlock. Still going to ignore those facts?

17-02-2012, 14:45	#18
Viridiana Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 7,605	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles Ah see this is where people like you suffer selected blindness. Apple did not create that template. LG did. NeoNode also first started using slide to unlock. Still going to ignore those facts? What facts? Apple won. More factual than this is impossible. And yes, I forgot the golden rule, in DS, but just in DS, all smartphones in the market are distinctly different from the Apple template.

17-02-2012, 14:47	#19
Dai13371 Forum Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Ammanford, South Wales Posts: 7,911	Quote: Originally Posted by Viridiana They won the case against Motorola. What do you want me to say? That judges are stupid and there is a conspiracy to favour Apple? It's quite simple and self explanatory why they won. It's patent law. But really I'm not surprised there is bafflement Apple won, a huge percentage of of DS believes with all their might that no smartphone in the market bears even a slight resemblance to the template created by Apple. It's quite funny this sort of selective blindness seem to be concentrated here, it really has not spread to courts. And we'd be right seeing as all modern smart-phones bear a resemblance to the template first created by LG. "We consider that Apple copied the Prada phone after the design was unveiled when it was presented in the iF Design Award and won the prize in September 2006.” - Woo-Young Kwak, head of LG Mobile Handset R&D Center

17-02-2012, 14:50	#20
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by Viridiana What facts? Apple won. More factual than this is impossible. Oh dear. blindness set in i see. I would hate to be like this. Dunno how folk can live dismissing things right in front of them.......

17-02-2012, 14:51	#21
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by Dai13371 And we'd be right seeing as all modern smart-phones bear a resemblance to the template first created by LG. "We consider that Apple copied the Prada phone after the design was unveiled when it was presented in the iF Design Award and won the prize in September 2006.” - Woo-Young Kwak, head of LG Mobile Handset R&D Center Oh, this will be dismissed with a smartarse reply that makes little sense....lol

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17-02-2012, 14:51	#22
Viridiana Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 7,605	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles Oh dear. blindness set in i see. I would hate to be like this. Dunno how folk can live dismissing things right in front of them....... What? They didn't won? I thought they did.

17-02-2012, 14:57	#23
Viridiana Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 7,605	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles Oh, this will be dismissed with a smartarse reply that makes little sense....lol Come on this is quite comic, everytime i came to DS it's like i step into a parallel world that bears no resemblance to any discussion about technology anywhere. I quite like it actually, sometimes it's a good read, but this thread was getting to much into conspiracy theory territory, and that is stupid, it's quite obvious why Apple won, and Motorola would have used much better arguments than any you can provide in this thread.

17-02-2012, 14:58	#24
paulbrock Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wapping, London Posts: 16,222	Quote: Originally Posted by Dai13371 And we'd be right seeing as all modern smart-phones bear a resemblance to the template first created by LG. not like the industry wasn't heading that way anyway. A few weeks after iphone announced, Samsung also announced this: http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_f700-1849.php

17-02-2012, 15:18	#25
johnnybgoode83 Inactive Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: The arse end of no where Posts: 8,616	He who has the money, has the power. The whole patent system needs some serious reform because at this stage it is almost stifling innovation rather than encouraging it.