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Old 18-02-2012, 12:02
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Been waiting and waiting but no sign of hair loss??

Any ideas guys ??
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Old 18-02-2012, 12:04
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I dont think she does or so i read on another forum.
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Old 18-02-2012, 12:05
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never the nurse said she wont as the theropy isnt near the head. it will just cause some hair thining
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Old 18-02-2012, 12:11
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Not everyone loses their hair. I know someone who suffered throat cancer and he never lost his hair. Though he did have a burn on his neck from the radiation therapy and looked grey and very very ill. I have known other people who have lost their hair and look very ill too. Tanya to me looks perfectly healthy, and just hasn't done her hair properly for a few days. I know it's a soap but a bit of realism please. Especially with a storyline like this.
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Old 18-02-2012, 12:30
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There was a scene when she first started the therapy where her hair brush was shown with clumps of hair in it - can`t remember if it was her daughter that saw it or was Tanya herself.
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Old 18-02-2012, 12:58
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tanya is not having the strong treatment cause she staying at home
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Old 18-02-2012, 13:21
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Well Tanya's chemo friend who died was bald. Maybe Jo Joyner was just too vain to wear a bald wig. I think she should have been shown to lose her hair for all the chemo ladies in her situation who do. When my sister lost her hair from chemo she kept noticing those who did not and asking why they did not lose their hair like her. It is such a distressing thing for ladies who lose their hair during chemo and it would have been supportive in a sense if Tanya had been seen to lose hers.
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Old 18-02-2012, 13:25
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Not everyone with Cancer goes bald. Going bald in not a symptom of Cancer it is a side-effect of some types of treatment for some types of Cancer.

However, there was a scene a few months ago when after Lauren brushed Tanya's hair she noticed lumps of hair on the brush.
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Old 18-02-2012, 15:40
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They should have done more to make her look run down in my opinion, she took out her extensions so her hair does look a bit flatter but with Cora going on at her telling her she isnt taking care of herself and looks like crap is pretty stupid, as she barely looks any different...
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Old 18-02-2012, 15:46
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They should have done more to make her look run down in my opinion, she took out her extensions so her hair does look a bit flatter but with Cora going on at her telling her she isnt taking care of herself and looks like crap is pretty stupid, as she barely looks any different...
I agree. Just not wearing your extensions, or quite as much 'slap' isn't a realistic depiction of someone undergoing chemo. Tanya's also far too active - she barely seems to have slowed down her lifestyle at all, and with her family all there to support her, surely they should be helping more?
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Old 18-02-2012, 17:42
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Maybe there are people who have next to no side effects from cancer treatment, but I have seen different people (friends and family) of different ages and suffering with different types of cancer. Most of them have been so sick by the treatment, could hardly eat or drink anything without getting sick, their taste buds had been affected, were tired all the time, prone to infections, rushed to hospital with very low platelets or red blood cells count, hence very sick. It was painful to see the light having gone out of their eyes. The family were so affected too, including physical and emotional exhaustion from being a carer and seeing someone you love go through hell, sleepless nights, struggle with child care I.e. the person with cancer getting sick suddenly high temperature or whatever and you have to rush to hospital. Why can't they show that with Tanya? Yes you have good days but you also have very bad days and I know the side effects might be different for everyone but I have never seen anyone have next to nothing like Tanya. It has been said in this forum before but I have had colds and suffered much more than Tanya has in the whole time she has been undergoing chemo and radiotherapy.
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Old 18-02-2012, 17:55
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I remember reading an interview very early on in the story where Jo Joyner said not everyone loses their hair. She might of even gone as far as saying that she was glad that she wouldn't have to shave hers.

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Old 18-02-2012, 18:01
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They should have done more to make her look run down in my opinion, she took out her extensions so her hair does look a bit flatter but with Cora going on at her telling her she isnt taking care of herself and looks like crap is pretty stupid, as she barely looks any different...
Exactly. She barely looks like she gone without sleep never mind battling cancer. She just looks like she got up in a hurry and never had time to do her hair properly or put her slap on. Just not realistic..

Maybe there are people who have next to no side effects from cancer treatment, but I have seen different people (friends and family) of different ages and suffering with different types of cancer. Most of them have been so sick by the treatment, could hardly eat or drink anything without getting sick, their taste buds had been affected, were tired all the time, prone to infections, rushed to hospital with very low platelets or red blood cells count, hence very sick. It was painful to see the light having gone out of their eyes. The family were so affected too, including physical and emotional exhaustion from being a carer and seeing someone you love go through hell, sleepless nights, struggle with child care I.e. the person with cancer getting sick suddenly high temperature or whatever and you have to rush to hospital. Why can't they show that with Tanya? Yes you have good days but you also have very bad days and I know the side effects might be different for everyone but I have never seen anyone have next to nothing like Tanya. It has been said in this forum before but I have had colds and suffered much more than Tanya has in the whole time she has been undergoing chemo and radiotherapy.
Exactly, excellent post. I too have been through this scenario with people who have cancer. It is true that not everyone's hair falls out with chemo but they still look ill through the treatment. It just isn't realistic to me that she's almost sailing through with barely any side effects. For someone with cancer she's having a helluva lot of 'good' days with no bad ones (nowadays).

I was actually quite annoyed that they were emphasising the 'sex' angle and that Tanya doesn't want to do it. Well no sh!t Sherlock considering THAT area is the one affected, no wonder she doesn't want intercourse!!!! If Max wants to stray let the bugger get on with it, she should be concentrating on herself and getting well as she's got three kids, one of them very young. Well that's how I would be feeling anyway but everyone is different I suppose.
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Old 18-02-2012, 18:04
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It's easy to think that everyone will lose their hair due to chemo treatment, but what a lot of people don't realize is there are different chemotherapies for different types of cancer. So those with breast cancer will not be given the same chemo drugs as someone with cervical cancer, which means the side effects will be different. It is very common for breast cancer patients to lose their hair, which is probably where the assumption that everyone on chemo will lose their hair. If it had been relevant to Tanya's treatment, then they would have given Jo Joiner a bald cap to wear and had Tanya wearing scarves everyday. But they haven't, which means it isn't common, as the show has already mentioned. This isn't something TPTB would stuff up. I also think the make-up is quite subtle, and probably too subtle; I think they could do a lot more to make her look sicker.

I think a lot of what people have talked about above would have been a good thing to portray, but then you have to realize that those story beats would rely on character driven material, and EE these days are very plot driven, which is why they've only given screen time to the more "dramatic" aspects of the illness. I do hate that as well, in case anyone thought otherwise.

A good reference point would be H&A's Irene, who seriously looks like hell.
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Old 18-02-2012, 18:21
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Hopefully never. I like something to pull on while making love to my ladies.
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Old 18-02-2012, 18:29
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It's easy to think that everyone will lose their hair due to chemo treatment, but what a lot of people don't realize is there are different chemotherapies for different types of cancer. So those with breast cancer will not be given the same chemo drugs as someone with cervical cancer, which means the side effects will be different. It is very common for breast cancer patients to lose their hair, which is probably where the assumption that everyone on chemo will lose their hair. If it had been relevant to Tanya's treatment, then they would have given Jo Joiner a bald cap to wear and had Tanya wearing scarves everyday. But they haven't, which means it isn't common, as the show has already mentioned. This isn't something TPTB would stuff up. I also think the make-up is quite subtle, and probably too subtle; I think they could do a lot more to make her look sicker.

I think a lot of what people have talked about above would have been a good thing to portray, but then you have to realize that those story beats would rely on character driven material, and EE these days are very plot driven, which is why they've only given screen time to the more "dramatic" aspects of the illness. I do hate that as well, in case anyone thought otherwise.

A good reference point would be H&A's Irene, who seriously looks like hell.
I am sure that the late Jade Goody lost her hair during her treatment for cervical cancer. Tanya was also shown losing her hair while Lauren was combing it. Apparently it didn't go further than Tanya losing her hair extentions.

Tanya is a lucky cancer sufferer. She looks healthy, can go to the pub, can even drink alcohol, hasn't had to spend a single night at the hospital ... the only side effect of her treatment is whether Max can stick his penis in girly bits or not.
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Old 18-02-2012, 18:31
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At least Max don't have to be insecure about his ginger bald head anymore, he'll have another baldylox for company .
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Old 18-02-2012, 19:42
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As I've said on another thread, it really isn't all that unusual to continue working throughout chemotherapy. I know lots of people who've done just that. It's also perfectly normal and not unusual to look and feel well for most of the time throughout treatment. Many of the worst side effects of chemotherapy are easily controlled by anti-sickness and other drugs and in any case, chemotherapy regimes are given in three weekly cycles. For the first 48 hours after recieving treatment side effect are at their worst but gradually dissipate after that. Yes, it's true that some people suffer horrendous side effects as some of you keep insisting, but it is equally true that many people do not. I don't understand why many of you seem to have so much difficulty believing that you can get through cancer without looking like the Bride of Frankenstein. As a cancer patient myself I can assure you lots of us look and feel perfectly normal most of the time.

This is typical of many of the misconceptions about cancer. The OP was in absolutely no doubt that it was entirely impossible to go through cancer without losing your hair, yet hair loss is only one symptom of a small percentage of the drugs that are used to treat cancer. Hair loss is not inevitable and many chemotherapy drugs, especially modern ones are targeted meaning they affect only the cancer cells and not other healthy cells in the body like the hair follicles. Even when drugs which cause hair loss are used there is a treatment called cold capping which helps prevent it.
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Old 18-02-2012, 19:54
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As I've said on another thread, it really isn't all that unusual to continue working throughout chemotherapy. I know lots of people who've done just that. It's also perfectly normal and not unusual to look and feel well for most of the time throughout treatment. Many of the worst side effects of chemotherapy are easily controlled by anti-sickness and other drugs and in any case, chemotherapy regimes are given in three weekly cycles. For the first 48 hours after recieving treatment side effect are at their worst but gradually dissipate after that. Yes, it's true that some people suffer horrendous side effects as some of you keep insisting, but it is equally true that many people do not. I don't understand why many of you seem to have so much difficulty believing that you can get through cancer without looking like the Bride of Frankenstein. As a cancer patient myself I can assure you lots of us look and feel perfectly normal most of the time.

This is typical of many of the misconceptions about cancer. The OP was in absolutely no doubt that it was entirely impossible to go through cancer without losing your hair, yet hair loss is only one symptom of a small percentage of the drugs that are used to treat cancer. Hair loss is not inevitable and many chemotherapy drugs, especially modern ones are targeted meaning they affect only the cancer cells and not other healthy cells in the body like the hair follicles. Even when drugs which cause hair loss are used there is a treatment called cold capping which helps prevent it.

This is more like an instrument of torture where your head is frozen for 2 hours during chemo. My sister screamed after 5 minutes to have it taken off. It is good that some people are not affected by their cancer treatment but I have all the sympathy for those who are knocked out by their treatments and have to suffer the added indignity of hair loss.
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Old 18-02-2012, 20:13
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My friend had cancer 3 times already (and she is just 20 years old!) and she says she hardly noticed anything the first time around, when it was in her kidney, her energy remained just the same. The second time around, I believe that was in her lung (I did not know her yet during the first two times), she felt very sick, could not keep her food down, needed to be fed trough a tube and was extremely tired. This time she was almost as active as she always is, just paler and she got creepily skinny. She kept her disease from most people around her, and as far as I know, nobody suspected a thing. Unlike Tanya, she did lose all of her hair all 3 times. My neighbour, on the other hand, did not (she had breastcander), nor did my mum's friend (she died though). My co-workers ex husband was very poor during his first cancer, and now (less than a year later), it has spread and as far as I know, he doesn't suffer from the side effects as much, though chances are, he is not going to make it. I don't know about his hair, he was bald to begin with.

So. I guess I'm just saying people respond differently to different treatment, used for different forms and stages of cancer. But they should have made a bigger effort with Tanya. Not losing her hair is one thing, but they should have her look sicker, make up can do that easily.
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Old 18-02-2012, 20:28
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I am sure that the late Jade Goody lost her hair during her treatment for cervical cancer. Tanya was also shown losing her hair while Lauren was combing it. Apparently it didn't go further than Tanya losing her hair extentions.

Tanya is a lucky cancer sufferer. She looks healthy, can go to the pub, can even drink alcohol, hasn't had to spend a single night at the hospital ... the only side effect of her treatment is whether Max can stick his penis in girly bits or not.
That is correct, Jade Goody did lose her hair during her treatment for cervical cancer, I know of another person that did also. I also agree that the cancer treatment hasn't affected Tanya a lot. When my mum and dad were suffering with cancer, they could hardly eat, had no energy, were in bed a lot and spent a lot of time in hospital. Thats' all we get from this dire storyline is comments from Cora that she has let herself go and Tanya worrying that she can't perform in the bedroom. Totally unrealistic and inacurate account of an awful disease.
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Old 18-02-2012, 20:41
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My friend had cancer 3 times already (and she is just 20 years old!) and she says she hardly noticed anything the first time around, when it was in her kidney, her energy remained just the same. The second time around, I believe that was in her lung (I did not know her yet during the first two times), she felt very sick, could not keep her food down, needed to be fed trough a tube and was extremely tired. This time she was almost as active as she always is, just paler and she got creepily skinny. She kept her disease from most people around her, and as far as I know, nobody suspected a thing. Unlike Tanya, she did lose all of her hair all 3 times. My neighbour, on the other hand, did not (she had breastcander), nor did my mum's friend (she died though). My co-workers ex husband was very poor during his first cancer, and now (less than a year later), it has spread and as far as I know, he doesn't suffer from the side effects as much, though chances are, he is not going to make it. I don't know about his hair, he was bald to begin with.

So. I guess I'm just saying people respond differently to different treatment, used for different forms and stages of cancer. But they should have made a bigger effort with Tanya. Not losing her hair is one thing, but they should have her look sicker, make up can do that easily.
Sorry to hear about your friend . I imagine getting cancer once is traumatic enough, but three times must be soul-crushing.
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Old 19-02-2012, 12:37
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This is more like an instrument of torture where your head is frozen for 2 hours during chemo. My sister screamed after 5 minutes to have it taken off. It is good that some people are not affected by their cancer treatment but I have all the sympathy for those who are knocked out by their treatments and have to suffer the added indignity of hair loss.
I agree, cold capping isn't easy but for people who feel their hair is really important to them it's an option. I found it to be not much worse than the kind of brain freeze you get when eating ice-cream but I gave up half way through anyway as I wasn't that bothered about losing my hair.

Anyway, back to the debate, we could go around in circles with this for ages. One poster says I know person x and this happened to them therefore Tanya should act and look more like that and then another will say well, I know person y and this is what happened to them so Tanya should behave more like that. The point is, as this thread and the other one shows, no two people with cancer are alike. Some suffer dreadful side effects while others get through their treatment with nothing worse than some mild nausea. Some can hardly drag themselves out of bed but others go to work every day and carry on as normal. Some lose all their hair but many others don't, either because they use a cold cap or because the drugs given to them doesn't cause hair loss. Not all cancers are the same, and not all chemotherapy is the same either. You cannot say Tanya's cancer storyline has not bee realistic or that the make up department should have made her look sicker, because many people with cancer carry on as normal just like she has and not everyone who has cancers looks ill. This is a fact which cannot be denied, what ever your personal experience of cancer is, it is your experience only, and not the experience of every other person who has been touched by cancer.

From my own perspective I have found it very refreshing to see a cancer storyline that reflects my own experiences much more closely than any soap has ever done before. Normally soaps have people either getting cancer and going downhill very quickly, dying within two weeks, like Pat Butcher, or they show characters getting cancer and after the first week or so it's never mentioned again until one day when we've all forgotten they even had it in the first place, they announce they've been to see the oncologist and got the all clear.
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