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If a 3rd series happens it needs to launch at the exact same time as Call The Midwife. That way it has a strong lead in every week. I don't know why the BBC didn't do that here. Though they probably didn't see Call The Midwife becoming as successful as it has. Wild At Heart having a 30 minute head start has probably kept audiences away rather than anything else.
Besides, there'll likely be lots of other worthwhile new drama that could benefit from the Call the Midwife lead-in, just like Birdsong did this year. Off the top of my head, other period pieces like The Ladies Paradise or The Village might be ready to go in January next year and make the most of the slot. Quote:
As I recall - and according to the press - something like this was a factor alongside pressure about giving an unfair edge to the consequently heavily promoted West End shows above less favoured non televised productions.
ALW said something about it being hard to do it with the BBC without conflicting with their unique requirements. Perhaps the BBC would only let Graham Norton appear on screen and say 'You could be Jesus' if Andrew agreed to cast Allah, Mohammed and Satan as well so as to provide 'balance'. Or maybe it was the plan to cast this show for an arena tour rather than the West End that did not gell with BBC ethics - though they have no issue with the Strictly arena tour each year so that seems unlikely. |
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On the subject of EastEnders.
As I've said before I think Bryan Kirkwood has gotten an unfairly rough ride during his tenure on the show. He inherited almost every problem that currently exists on the show from his predecessor who inherited more than a handful of those problems from his predecessor. The problems at EastEnders are incredibly deeply rooted at this point and outside of trying to continue Santer's ridiculous never ending roll of nonsensical big sensationalist storylines there's really nothing Kirkwood could do to hide them. At some point someone at the BBC is going to have to step up and demand that bigger much deeper rooted problems at EastEnders get addressed because until that happens all any executive producer is going to be able to do is paper over the cracks. I think its a shame that Kirkwood has become the public scapegoat for problems and issues that aren't entirely his own but its been unavoidable for sometime now. The fact that they've announced his departure without a full time replacement lined up and that its happening pretty quickly is interesting and suggests to me that he was jumped rather than pushed (or perhaps more accurately before he was pushed). If they'd fired him then they would have had a replacement lined up to announce as well. |
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Why have they got rid of the EastEnders producer if the show is in perfectly fine form, like we keep hearing on here?
![]() Maybe there is a crisis after all. Awful rating for Upstairs Downstairs, can you imagine how many pages we would have gone through today if it had been a major ITV drama. In fact 'flop' Wild at Heart now looks like to be in good strength in comprison! |
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Why have they got rid of the EastEnders producer if the show is in perfectly fine form, like we keep hearing on here?
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There's also the other point which people seem to have overlooked - namely, that the last ALW series really didn't rate so well. Only one edition of the entire run of Over the Rainbow broke 6m in the officials. It wasn't a SYTYCD style flop, but with high 4 / low 5 overnights, it wasn't a lot different to your standard lottery filler, either. Makes the ITV pick-up all the more mystifying, in my opinion.
Not particularly surprised about Red or Black, it was fairly obvious it would return. The rolling jackpot is an interesting idea but the main format needs a serious overhaul. Fincham hints at there being more skill involved this time, which is a real must for it to have any chance of success. The stunts and star performances are all well and good, but if people don't feel involved with the contestants then the show's buggered. Another bit of recommissioning news that appears to have slipped under the radar is that ITV have ordered 4 new episodes of Endeavour to be filmed this Autumn and air early next year: http://www.itv.com/presscentre/press...r/default.html |
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Blame John Birt, the BBC became rubbish during his reign. While ITV had a terrible noughties, the BBC became awful in the nineties, remember such quality shows as Pets Win Prizes, Steve Wright's People Show and mega flops like A Year in Provence. His departure was little mourned as BBC One seemed to be dying on its feet at times.
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US Ratings Sunday March 11
Note – Daylights Saving Time has kicked in, in the US this week and that's resulted in a dip in television viewing for prime time. On Sunday night 36.7% of 18-49 year olds were watching television in prime time compared to 38.7% last week. ABC claim a Sunday night victory (albeit not by much) but it was far from a night of sunshine and roses for them. Once Upon A Time dropped six tenths week-on-week to post a series low but on the brighter side was caught in a three way tie with CBS' Amazing Race and Fox's Family Guy for the biggest show of the night. Elsewhere on the alphabet network Desperate Housewives was steady vs. last week and those who wrote GCB off after a disappointing start last week might want to start hedging their bets it rose a tenth. A Republican Presidential candidate urging people not to watch it because it was anti-Christian bigotry might have helped there as well. Over on CBS The Amazing Race and CSI: Miami were steady vs. last week but The Good Wife dropped two tenths to a series low at 9PM. This show really is testing just how much syndication and awards mean to CBS and with CBS schedulers surprisingly trialling The Mentalist on Friday at 9PM last week (where it did well) its Friday night slot for next season doesn't look quite so assured as it once did. Fox had an up and down night. Cleveland was up, The Simpsons down, Family Guy steady and American Dad up. Bob's Burgers meanwhile started its second season down two tenths on the season one finale and below what Napoleon Dynamite was achieving in the same slot. Fox however have a lot of episodes of Bob's Burgers on the shelf... Finally (and predictably) NBC had a terrible night. Harry's Law returned matching its series low from Wednesday night. It is I feel worth mentioning just how old Harry's Law skews – it totalled nearly 9 million viewers and only just broke a 1 in the demo. That's an insane skew. Meanwhile if there's a God Celebrity Apprentice is limping toward cancellation. It was down three tenths on last week. ABC 7PM: America's Funniest Home Videos – 1.3 [6.49] 8PM: Once Upon A Time – 2.8 [9.12] 9PM: Desperate Housewives – 2.5 [8.29] 10PM: GCB – 2.3 [7.25] CBS 7PM: 60 Minutes – 1.6 [10.26] 8PM: The Amazing Race – 2.8 [9.71] 9PM: The Good Wife – 1.7 [9.82] 10PM: CSI: Miami – 2.1 [10.54] Fox 7PM: The Simpsons [r] – 1.2 [2.80] 7:30PM: The Cleveland Show – 1.6 [3.31] 8PM: The Simpsons – 2.3 [4.96] 8:30PM: Bob's Burgers – 1.9 [4.03] 9PM: Family Guy – 2.8 [5.82] 9:30PM: American Dad! - 2.2. [4.64] NBC 7PM: Dateline – 0.9 [4.71] 8PM: Harry's Law – 1.1 [8.87] 9PM: Celebrity Apprentice – 2.0 [6.41] |
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Another bit of recommissioning news that appears to have slipped under the radar is that ITV have ordered 4 new episodes of Endeavour to be filmed this Autumn and air early next year:
http://www.itv.com/presscentre/press...r/default.html Any predictions on how Scott and Bailey will perform tonight? I'd say 6m (exc. +1).
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Danny O'Donoghue thinks The Voice will beat Britains Got Talent. I think a stretch too far but hes confident about it. Most BBC viewers know who Jessie J is cos theyve had her on Strictly and Lets Dance a few times in last few months. I know my grandfather likes watching Jessie J perform so its not only young people who like her.
For a show though trying to distance itself from The X Factor they're really pumping out the press stories and so far making it all about the judges. Quote:
I'm going to stick with my original prediction for The Voice launch of 5.8m.
I didn't know it would clash/overlap with BGT orginally. But I'm going to stick with it; there is at least a sufficient something about the trails to make some people watch it... Quote:
All singing shows will be derivative. Simon Fuller still hasn't fully forgiven Simon Cowell from ripping off Pop Idol. I'd rather the BBC came up with something but they are desperate for another Saturday night hit, somebody created this format and they bought it. Let's see what happens.
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I don't get the ill-informed criticism of John Yorke, on this thread. He's passionate about EastEnders and has served it very well, in various capacities, for a long time.
As for excecutive producers on a soap, some thrive and some don't. Kirkwood didn't. I have never sensed any passion for EastEnders from him. It was just the latest in a series of not particularly long-lasting jobs on soaps. |
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Celebs appearing on Celebrity Millionaire Mother's Day Special announced.
And yes, once again half the money won will go to a punter ![]() http://millionaire.itv.com/news/moth...-special-2012/ |
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Looking at the officials Prisoners wives bowed out with 4.98. They should bring it back. That is highly respectable. Good news on Endevour as well! The more slow paced detective dramas the better I say!
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As for excecutive producers on a soap, some thrive and some don't. Kirkwood didn't.
I have never sensed any passion for EastEnders from him. It was just the latest in a series of not particularly long-lasting jobs on soaps. Whatever the difference is between a good Hollyoaks exec producer, and a good EastEnders exec producer, he doesn't have it. I honestly dont know what makes someone qualified for the job of EE exec producer. |
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Maybe Kirkwood just couldn't polish a turd.
Some commissioning news - Red or Black confirmed to return for seven weekly episodes. The prize in each episode is slashed to £500,000 - but will rollover if not won. http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/news/...on-winner.html C4 confirmed Friday Night Dinner will be back in the autumn with six episodes and a Christmas special. http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/news/...s-special.html Unfortunately also confirmed yet another panel show, A Short History of Everything with Griff Rhys Jones. http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/news/...anel-show.html Seriously these endless panel shows are doing more harm to sitcom than reality TV ever did. |
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I don't get the ill-informed criticism of John Yorke, on this thread. He's passionate about EastEnders and has served it very well, in various capacities, for a long time.
As for excecutive producers on a soap, some thrive and some don't. Kirkwood didn't. I have never sensed any passion for EastEnders from him. It was just the latest in a series of not particularly long-lasting jobs on soaps. Quote:
the funny thing about Kirkwood is that he is not a bad soap exec prouder, he came to EE with a glowing reference from Hollyoaks fans, but over the past two years he has shown himself to be utterly out of his depth and totally unable to steer the good ship EastEnders to safe harbour.
Whatever the difference is between a good Hollyoaks exec producer, and a good EastEnders exec producer, he doesn't have it. I honestly dont know what makes someone qualified for the job of EE exec producer. And I think people have been quite unfair on Kirkwood. People like to pretend the show was perfect before he arrived. The fact is the show had been getting by on big headline-grabbing stories such as Who Killed Archie which helped to paper over a lot of the issues that existed then and still exist today. The EastEnders critics may have been a lot more vocal on the soaps forum recently but they were still there when Diedrick Santer was running the show - the day to day episodes of the show have long been a problem with EastEnders, and it's going to take more than one executive producer to sort that out. |
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Well, if Bryan Kirkwood had as little input as is being suggested on this thread, we won't see any recent decisions, such as the casting of Jamie Foreman, being reversed in the next couple of months.
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we cant expect any changes to be announced until we have a new producer.
I suspect Jamie Foreman will stay longer than some of the other characters destined for the axe, whoever takes over. Then again the new producer will automatically develop this notion, that no decision should be reported for at least 2 months after its been made. |
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I'd argue the day to day episodes are actually stronger under Kirkwood than under Santer. As already said on the thread; Santer relied on a lot of over the top plot lines to paper over the ever-growing cracks in EastEnders' structure. Kirkwood's first over the top storyline was a disaster and he's never really been able to recover from it.
Back to last night...Dancing On Ice has at least stabilised and on the face of it it's a decent night for ITV1 - just not as good as it once was. Tiem Team struggled slightly on Channel 4 but Homeland did well once again. BBC One had a reasonable night but that's poor for Upstairs, Downstairs considering the lead in. The two films did well for Channel 5 but Body Squad lost momemtum in the 8pm hour.. BBC Two had a brilliant night with three supervery good ratings for the broadcaster. |
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I'd love to know what these mysterious long-standing "cracks" are in EastEnders. Whatever they are, they've gone completely unnoticed by the BBC, yet are apparently abundantly clear to a group of people on the Ratings Thread.
The problems are clearly, then, nothing to do with bad casting and storylining decisions made in the last 18 months. |
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I'd love to know what these mysterious long-standing "cracks" are in EastEnders. Whatever they are, they've gone completely unnoticed by the BBC, yet are apparently abundantly clear to a group of people on the Ratings Thread.
The problems are clearly, then, nothing to do with bad casting and storylining decisions made in the last 18 months. Just as a point of reference take a look at how many big returning characters EastEnders has rolled out in recent history compared to the same device being used in Coronation Street or Emmerdale. EastEnders has had Bianca, Ricky, Kat, Alfie and now Sharon (plus I'm sure I'm missing/forgetting some) compared to who with Coronation Street? Peter Barlow is the only one I can think of but I confess I'm not overly familiar with Coronation Street. The problem's with EastEnders have been there for a long time and everyone involved knows it they just can't work out how to fix it. The irony being that at the start of his tenure Kirkwood did actually make some attempts to try and start fixing these problems by re-establishing basic character interactions and family units but then it all fell apart with the baby swap disaster. |
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Looking at the officials Prisoners wives bowed out with 4.98. They should bring it back. That is highly respectable. Good news on Endevour as well! The more slow paced detective dramas the better I say!
Ken I was reading through the Prisoners Wives thread on here and the reaction towards the entire series has been overwhelmingly positive. That's very unusual for a thread on DS. There's usually some negative posts amongst the positive ones. I'm hoping the positive reaction means a second series is commissioned. I swear someone posted a link on here the other day which stated a second series is currently being written? I'll try and find it. |
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Did Birt commission many of those shows, then?
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Saw the Titanic advert and you know what. I take back what I said. It looks pretty good actually.
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EastEnders "Phil On Remand" was better than much of the dross served up by the soap over recent years. (BBC red button, just over 10 minutes long).
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I really hope they bring Prisoners Wives back. As a rating, I'd say bowing out with 4.98 is pretty mediocre but it was a quality drama which deserved better figures.
I was reading through the Prisoners Wives thread on here and the reaction towards the entire series has been overwhelmingly positive. That's very unusual for a thread on DS. There's usually some negative posts amongst the positive ones. I'm hoping the positive reaction means a second series is commissioned. I swear someone posted a link on here the other day which stated a second series is currently being written? I'll try and find it. |
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Any predictions on how Scott and Bailey will perform tonight? I'd say 6m (exc. +1).


