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Some here may be interested to know that TNT have announced that Dallas will debut in the US Wednesday June 13. The question now is does Five follow suit with a summer roll out or wait until the Autumn? In other news TNT have also dated new series Perception for July 9. I bring this up because its a show Five should look at buying. I think it would do well for them.
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Some here may be interested to know that TNT have announced that Dallas will debut in the US Wednesday June 13. The question now is does Five follow suit with a summer roll out or wait until the Autumn? In other news TNT have also dated new series Perception for July 9. I bring this up because its a show Five should look at buying. I think it would do well for them.
I think if C5 could fast track Dallas to air the next night or the next week at the latest it has enough of a head start on the Olympics not to be affected by it. Shows starting though during the Olympics or the week or two before will probably be hit harder - if indeed they're hit at all. |
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Make your mind up. One minute the schedule is too American, now you want them to consider fast-tracking Dallas?
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I'm free to have opinions on here, this is a personal account. Unfortunately your bias shines through on the DS ratings reports - more's the pity for your readers, a few of the more astute ones have picked up on it and commented as such.
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It'll be interesting to see how the commercial channels view the Olympics - will they hold back shows they could air in summer to avoid a clash or use them as their weapon against what will probably be the flagship finals in swimming and athletics each night.
I think if C5 could fast track Dallas to air the next night or the next week at the latest it has enough of a head start on the Olympics not to be affected by it. Shows starting though during the Olympics or the week or two before will probably be hit harder - if indeed they're hit at all. A lot of the target audience for Dallas will be an older more sophisticated viewer that won't be faffing about with illegal downloading or any of that nonsense. |
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When is Mr Selfridge due, early next year, or later? We know it will be aired before BBC's similar series (which was announced first) as that's the ITV way. Speaking of which, given the circumstances around Love Life, I can't say I'd be sad to see it flop.
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It'll be interesting to see how the commercial channels view the Olympics - will they hold back shows they could air in summer to avoid a clash or use them as their weapon against what will probably be the flagship finals in swimming and athletics each night.
I think if C5 could fast track Dallas to air the next night or the next week at the latest it has enough of a head start on the Olympics not to be affected by it. Shows starting though during the Olympics or the week or two before will probably be hit harder - if indeed they're hit at all. I think Channel 4 and Channel 5 will try and make the most of the films in their vaults to see off the fortnight. Obviously series that have been running pre-Olympics would continue but there's no point launching anything new against it. |
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When is Mr Selfridge due, early next year, or later? We know it will be aired before BBC's similar series (which was announced first) as that's the ITV way. Speaking of which, given the circumstances around Love Life, I can't say I'd be sad to see it flop.
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As you keep saying, yet you provide no evidence
![]() Oh, and a few weeks ago you claimed Celebrity Juice was a record high for ITV2 in the overnights and it wasn't. You were very quick to declare this without checking for some reason. Within a few minutes I had found a higher example from Xtra Factor using Digital Spy's own archive! |
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It's not the kind of show they need to fast-track though (IMO) so why take the risk?
A lot of the target audience for Dallas will be an older more sophisticated viewer that won't be faffing about with illegal downloading or any of that nonsense. I would however argue that there's two obvious advantages to a fast track for Dallas 1 – Summer is set to be a wasteland of original drama on BBC1 and ITV1 because of the Olympics and Euro Championships. There's going to be floating viewers who aren't interested in sport and the cheap disposable filler put up against sport on the major channels and Five should make a play for them with new drama. 2 – The relaunch in the US is unlikely to go unnoticed by the UK media because of the iconic nature of the original show. Surely its in Five's best interests if the stories about the return of Dallas to US television can also include a line about it starting on Five the following day or week rather than months away when everybody has already forgotten about it and it'll be competing with a full slate of shows on BBC1 and ITV1 (as well as Channel 4 and BBC2). |
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Out of interest on what are you basing the assertion that the audience for Dallas will be the 'older more sophisticated viewer'?
I would however argue that there's two obvious advantages to a fast track for Dallas 1 – Summer is set to be a wasteland of original drama on BBC1 and ITV1 because of the Olympics and Euro Championships. There's going to be floating viewers who aren't interested in sport and the cheap disposable filler put up against sport on the major channels and Five should make a play for them with new drama. 2 – The relaunch in the US is unlikely to go unnoticed by the UK media because of the iconic nature of the original show. Surely its in Five's best interests if the stories about the return of Dallas to US television can also include a line about it starting on Five the following day or week rather than months away when everybody has already forgotten about it and it'll be competing with a full slate of shows on BBC1 and ITV1 (as well as Channel 4 and BBC2). To address your key points: 1 - Fair point in terms of the procedurals and more established shows but I wouldn't launch a major new import a few weeks before a sporting event of major national significance. Some nights there won't be many viewers left to chase anyway. 2 - I am reasonably optimistic that it will get a fair amount of coverage whenever it launches. I'm not sure it going out on US cable for the first time will raise that much interest in the UK media, but the launch over here should. |
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Out of interest on what are you basing the assertion that the audience for Dallas will be the 'older more sophisticated viewer'?
I would however argue that there's two obvious advantages to a fast track for Dallas 1 – Summer is set to be a wasteland of original drama on BBC1 and ITV1 because of the Olympics and Euro Championships. There's going to be floating viewers who aren't interested in sport and the cheap disposable filler put up against sport on the major channels and Five should make a play for them with new drama. 2 – The relaunch in the US is unlikely to go unnoticed by the UK media because of the iconic nature of the original show. Surely its in Five's best interests if the stories about the return of Dallas to US television can also include a line about it starting on Five the following day or week rather than months away when everybody has already forgotten about it and it'll be competing with a full slate of shows on BBC1 and ITV1 (as well as Channel 4 and BBC2). Also of course remains to be seen what happens with BB - whether C5 schedule it to end before the Olympics or let it run through. Considering the suggestion they'll air another Celeb BB in the summer I think they'll run BB13 to finish the week before the Olympics then have Celeb BB in August after the Olympics. P.S. Was confirmed today that Holly Willougby will host Surprise Surprise when it returns for a one-off special later this year. I'd guess it'll probably air around Christmas. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukp...1331835727233A |
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P.S. Was confirmed today that Holly Willougby will host Surprise Surprise when it returns for a one-off special later this year. I'd guess it'll probably air around Christmas.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukp...1331835727233A Whatever next Blind Date with Christine Bleakley? also mentioning no names, since when did ratings become a personal thing? honestly its like rival football fans around here sometimes. |
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There's a definite pro-ITV feel to things. See this article for an example, that I point to now only because I'm using it to make my DSRPG predictions for next week. The no daytime sports ratings rule is suddenly broken because ITV1 had one hell of a day that everyone must read about in great detail.
![]() Oh, and a few weeks ago you claimed Celebrity Juice was a record high for ITV2 in the overnights and it wasn't. You were very quick to declare this without checking for some reason. Within a few minutes I had found a higher example from Xtra Factor using Digital Spy's own archive! As for pro-ITV bias in general, have you read this? I always try my best to remain impartial while giving credit where credit's due, and I've never had anybody else accuse me of bias... In that 2010 article, I do mention that BGT was down on the 2010 and 2009 launches - if I was in any way bias, I might've skipped over that fact |
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The only issue is the cost...Wild At Heart can't be cheap to film considering it's filmed in the middle of Africa. It presume it must make money for the broadcaster, though, as it would've been axed by now.
![]() As for moving it to Wednesday - Stephen Tomkinson has expeirence of the BBC doing that with Ballykissangel. It proved to be the last series. The BBC did it with Born and Bred too and killed that off as well. If they do want to move Wild at Heart out of the Dancing on Ice sandwich it's best bet is being moved to the Spring and staying on Sundays. Indeed it should guarantee ITV a show that gets 6m+ on Sundays throughout April and May - and frankly that is what they need. |
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Dallas I think will launch after The Olympics in August but June would be fine as well given NCIS will have finished in June so a week or so after airdate would work.
I reckon Big Brother will be May-July, the football won't affect it but the Olympics will, may have to 10pm due to CSI, NCIS and OUAT airing at 9pm. |
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I agree it's a massive commission for them. I'm glad they've taken the risk, will be interesting to see how it goes for them.
I hope they dont go too wild and commission a Maverick Cop drama with an ex soapstar in the lead... |
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Love Life's flopped on ITV1, don't be surprised to see sub 4 million. Can't see this one being a hit.
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Love Life was commissioned because it was cheap. How many episodes are there?
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Its a massive gamble, yes. What if it flops from day one? Having American characters in the lead role of British drama never works, look at Demons and The Prisoner most recently. BARB dont even have The Prisoners ratings in the Top 30, it was that bad. 10 episodes is too much for Selfridges, 6 would be better, then if its a hit make it 10 for series 2.
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A cosy 7 hour costume drama by Andrew Davies after the success of Downton, Midwife and Lark Rise is a RISK?
I hope they dont go too wild and commission a Maverick Cop drama with an ex soapstar in the lead... |
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Just a hunch I have based on the buzz around this show so far, with a lot of it originating from former fans curious to see if it can recapture its original magic. Of course TNT have done well too to lure some notable young names like Jesse Metcalfe in the hope that a new generation of Dallas viewers can be born, which will be a crucial factor in terms of whether or not it's a success.
To address your key points: 1 - Fair point in terms of the procedurals and more established shows but I wouldn't launch a major new import a few weeks before a sporting event of major national significance. Some nights there won't be many viewers left to chase anyway. 2 - I am reasonably optimistic that it will get a fair amount of coverage whenever it launches. I'm not sure it going out on US cable for the first time will raise that much interest in the UK media, but the launch over here should. In terms of drama over the summer I think its worth the gamble of pushing a new drama. If there's going to be an audience out there looking for new drama output to watch over the summer being able to promote a major new drama to them is a pretty big boost. And I think a bigger boost than another season of NCIS or CSI or whatever other procedural Five has on tap. And in many respects I think its going to be easier for Dallas to get traction in the summer against a reduced BBC and ITV schedule than in the Autumn which is going to have major content on all channels. If you're promoting a new drama do you want to be promoting when BBC1 is all about sport and ITV1 is all about sport and cheap reality filler or when both BBC1 and ITV1 are pushing new dramas of their own? Of course I don't know what Five are paying for Dallas. If they feel the price tag is too high to run it over the summer and want to hold off until Autumn so be it. I do however think they'd be mad not to try a new drama over the summer with a decent promotional push. The same is true for C4. There's a big group of viewers who are going to be looking for something to watch. On the subject of media coverage I imagine the debut in the US will get some play in the press over here. It'll get even more if its coupled up with the debut on Five. |
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It's 10 hours actually so on that basis I'd say it's a risk, yes. It's certainly an ambitious commission in any case for a new show. No drama is a guaranteed success and it's an expensive drama. I'm sure they'll promote it extensively but considering some people are already writing Titanic off as a flop before it's even aired these things don't always work out that way.
Shows like Downton and Call The Midwife all say that if you make a good show, position it right and promote it heavily then people will watch it. The key though is that you have to make a good show. Its going to be interesting to see where they opt to put Mr Selfridge. Conventional wisdom says it lands on a Sunday (that tends to be where these shows land) but outside of a weakened Dancing on Ice and an already taken X Factor lead-in what does ITV have to help launch Mr Selfridge on a Sunday. Could they put it on a Saturday paired with Britain's Got Talent? |
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A lot of the target audience for Dallas will be an older more sophisticated viewer that won't be faffing about with illegal downloading or any of that nonsense.
Dallas will be aimed at 18-49 year olds, like everything else. |
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As for moving it to Wednesday - Stephen Tomkinson has expeirence of the BBC doing that with Ballykissangel. It proved to be the last series. The BBC did it with Born and Bred too and killed that off as well.
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Dallas I think will launch after The Olympics in August but June would be fine as well given NCIS will have finished in June so a week or so after airdate would work.
I reckon Big Brother will be May-July, the football won't affect it but the Olympics will, may have to 10pm due to CSI, NCIS and OUAT airing at 9pm. |
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MasterChef: 5.6m
Love Life: 3.9m Spanking and a half. It could have been worse for ITV though, having seen the reviews for LL. |
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