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Deliberately denting BGT is good because it means that the ITV1 shows airing around BGT will get less viewers cos the lead-out and lead-in from BGT will be smaller. Then that means BBC1 will rate better in those hours too, so its not just the one hour against BGT that BBC1 would rate better but 3 hours. We seen recently the Beeb like competing strongly against ITV1s big shows and have been rewarded. If the BBC can show The Voice and have 30 minutes overlap into BGT, The Voice has advantage of being shown first and will keep the majority of its viewers in that half hour and dent BGT in the process!
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I see. So deliberately clashing and denting shows is fine as long as it's the BBC doing it. Gotcha.
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No, any channel can do what they like. ITV sometimes put shows against BBC shows to dent them like what they attempted to do last Sunday, BBC sometimes does it to ITV. Its the nature of the beast. But you know, its good to support the underdog like The Voice, its fresh compared to BGT and I hope it rates well and give BBC1 even more dominance on Saturdays.
I don't particularly agree that shows should clash just to dent the other. As someone said, it's a bit like cutting your nose off to spite your face. The focus here should be ensuring The Voice launches to the best numbers possible, they shouldn't be getting distracted with trying to usurp BGT's dominance, as ultimately there's no guarantee that The Voice will end up doing that and then you end up with more problems. Plus they will appeal to quite similar audiences. BBC's Sunday night line-up worked precisely because it was catering to an audience that weren't interested in watching Dancing on Ice. I don't see any parallels in this case. |
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Came across some STV Q4 2010 ratings info in a presentation on the ITV Media site earlier (ITV must do STV's ad-sales?)
http://www.itvmedia.co.uk/advertisin...v1-regions/stv (it's under nickable stuff) The top 350 programmes in Scotland were all on ITV/STV The 6 top rated programmes were: X Factor Results - 1.397 million Coronation Street - 1.211 million I'm a Celebrity - 1.084 million Taggart - 884,000 STV News Special - 856,000 Emmerdale - 814,000 Notable that the Taggart rating would have been for the last series which replaced episodes 2-7 of Downton Abbey Series 1 in Scotland. It is clearly very popular in Scotland, and wouldn't have dented the overnights for Downton Abbey S1 ep2-7 much, if at all Solid night for C5 last night |
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Will Prisoners Wives get cancelled rating so low? I thought it was gonna be quite a popular show but ratings have dropped from 5m to 3.7m in two weeks. Better hope it goes up next week, it deserves to!
Sherlock 3 EastEnders 31 Casualty 7 Holby City 8 Public Enemies 3 Call The Midwife 6 New Tricks 1 Birdsong 2 Hustle 6 Inside Men 3 Upstairs Downstairs 1 Prisoner's Wives 4 Looking at BARB ratings, Inside Men is suffering more than Prisoner's Wives, the latter is timeshifting well so far, the former has dropped out of the BBC1 top 30. |
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No, any channel can do what they like. ITV sometimes put shows against BBC shows to dent them like what they attempted to do last Sunday, BBC sometimes does it to ITV. Its the nature of the beast. But you know, its good to support the underdog like The Voice, its fresh compared to BGT and I hope it rates well and give BBC1 even more dominance on Saturdays.
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Prisoner's Wives is a decent drama, it ought timeshift 20% for episodes 3 and 4. I suspect the problem may be that BBC1 are producing too much (high quality) drama recently (since 1/1/2012.) We have had the following broadcast in 53 days including today.
Sherlock 3 EastEnders 31 Casualty 7 Holby City 8 Public Enemies 3 Call The Midwife 6 New Tricks 1 Birdsong 2 Hustle 6 Inside Men 3 Upstairs Downstairs 1 Looking at BARB ratings, Inside Men is suffering more than Prisoner's Wives, the latter is timeshifting well so far, the former has dropped out of the BBC1 top 30. |
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Should the BBC show less quality drama instead and show more reality shows and more Eastenders episodes then? Surely people watch the BBC to get something more stimulating than The Biggest Loser.
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So don't Americans have DVRs which record the programme rather than the time?
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Channel 5 controller Jeff Ford: 'We nearly bought Glee': http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s57/g...ught-glee.html
Good you didnt buy clapped out Glee, Jeff. Can you buy Persons of Interest soon! I think his more telling comment is that they weren't interested in Homeland and then goes onto say that they're looking for shows that are 'passionate, honest and relevant'. I would have said Homeland fits into that descriptor quite nicely and I struggle to see how a show like Body of Proof or Dallas does but that's just me. On the subject of Five's imports once again I will say that I think they need to diversify their imported dramas. The rate of production for the crime procedurals in the US has dropped in the US (particularly amongst the broadcast networks) so personally I think they need to make more acquisitions along the lines of Dallas or Once Upon A Time. Although ironically enough I have no interest in either of those shows. There is just a limited number of new crime drama on the horizon though so they need to start preparing for different genres. Personally I'd like to see them dip their toes back into the sci-fi waters although I know FlashForward burnt them quite badly on that front. |
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I'm just saying because of the uproar that ITV's little move caused in this thread, that's all.
I don't particularly agree that shows should clash just to dent the other. As someone said, it's a bit like cutting your nose off to spite your face. The focus here should be ensuring The Voice launches to the best numbers possible, they shouldn't be getting distracted with trying to usurp BGT's dominance, as ultimately there's no guarantee that The Voice will end up doing that and then you end up with more problems. Plus they will appeal to quite similar audiences. BBC's Sunday night line-up worked precisely because it was catering to an audience that weren't interested in watching Dancing on Ice. I don't see any parallels in this case. The BBC just shrug their shoulders and get on with it where Talent is concerned. They know the show will eventually clap out of its own accord, anyway. |
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Technically speaking all DVR's record a time period rather than a show. Sky+ etc. is at the mercy of the EPG if that isn't updated to compensate for an overrun then your recording will start and finish in line with the originally announced schedule.
In fairness he's talking about the first season of Glee which wasn't clapped out. I think his more telling comment is that they weren't interested in Homeland and then goes onto say that they're looking for shows that are 'passionate, honest and relevant'. I would have said Homeland fits into that descriptor quite nicely and I struggle to see how a show like Body of Proof or Dallas does but that's just me. On the subject of Five's imports once again I will say that I think they need to diversify their imported dramas. The rate of production for the crime procedurals in the US has dropped in the US (particularly amongst the broadcast networks) so personally I think they need to make more acquisitions along the lines of Dallas or Once Upon A Time. Although ironically enough I have no interest in either of those shows. There is just a limited number of new crime drama on the horizon though so they need to start preparing for different genres. Personally I'd like to see them dip their toes back into the sci-fi waters although I know FlashForward burnt them quite badly on that front. Dallas should rate well although whether it can sustain its audience depends on whether it good or not. |
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No of course variety is everything, I just think the reason a lot of shows rate <5m is not down to quality, just a finite number of viewing hours available. I tend to watch a lot of drama on timeshift personally - sport and news being the things I watch live mostly. I also watch around 10 films per week, plus some soaps. Sometimes there just isn't enough hours in the week to watch everything - it was easier with 3/4 channels, but often there was evenings with 'nothing good on.'
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Request. Please can we all stop using TBH during Lent this year? It really is meaningless!
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Didn't ITV move Coronation Street to support Sunday night? They couldn't have done it to ham the BBC as they made the BBC fully aware of the move, and the latter altered their schedule accordingly. If a channel draws up a schedule to benefit them, that's fair enough. But if they risk clashing The Voice with Britain's Got Talent it'll be pretty obvious they care more about denting BGT than allowing The Voice the best ratings possible. Remember, it doesn't have Strictly's fan base...yet.
Corrie at 8pm meant forcing DOI, an already struggling show, to a very early start and getting its lowest ever rating. A direct Corrie clash with Call The Midwife would have probabaly seen a low Corrie number so the lead-in for Wild At Heart would have been the same or possible lower than the usual DOI figure. The Beeb moving Midwife to 20:30 probably helped ITV a bit by not hurting Corrie as much but the extra Corrie viewers around at 20:30 seemed to boost Midwife anyway. |
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Request. Please can we all stop using TBH during Lent this year? It really is meaningless!
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Jeff Ford (Channel 5 controller) had a lot of interesting things to say today:
- Despite launching their own production arm, he stressed commitment to the U.S. acquisitions going forward, but only those capable of 1.5 million viewers. He also said they would look at imports from Australia for the digital channels, but not foreign language imports. - He said Homeland was "too niche" for Channel 5. Whilst I think the show is great, he's probably right. 2m was a good start on a competitive night but on C5 it would have launched lower, and sadly, the only way from there is down. - The new production arm will focus on factual ent and produce up to 5 shows a year, starting with Marco Pierre White's Kitchen Wars. - In the longterm, there are plans for "home-grown, cost effective drama and scripted comedy." This is certainly welcome news. Source and more: http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118050589?refCatId=14 |
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It wasn't 1987, it was 1989. They're unlikely to show 1987 again, it was presented by Jonathan King. Mick and Sam's show is on YouTube in full, and it was fantastic, and Smash Hits the following week did a brilliant big feature about what a mess it all was, asking "Who chose the winners?", "Why was it all such a mess?" and "Who is Randy Newman?". I remember someone from the BPI being quoted in it saying that he wondered if they should even bother televising it again.
Anyway, this exact same thing happened in 1988 when Rick Astley was on his way to the stage to pick up his award but The Who started playing and so he never got to do a speech or anything. I don't see what a disaster this was, at least she was given the award. |
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I very much doubt the BBC are giving any thought to Talent's ratings in this way. The Voice is just the latest in a long line of attempts to find another hit talent show. I doubt there's going to be much or any of a scheduling overlap anyway.
The BBC just shrug their shoulders and get on with it where Talent is concerned. They know the show will eventually clap out of its own accord, anyway. Yes BGT will clap out one day, as will most shows, but I'm not anticipating any massive declines this year. |
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Jeff Ford (Channel 5 controller) had a lot of interesting things to say today:
- Despite launching their own production arm, he stressed commitment to the U.S. acquisitions going forward, but only those capable of 1.5 million viewers. He also said they would look at imports from Australia for the digital channels, but not foreign language imports. - He said Homeland was "too niche" for Channel 5. Whilst I think the show is great, he's probably right. 2m was a good start on a competitive night but on C5 it would have launched lower, and sadly, the only way from there is down. - The new production arm will focus on factual ent and produce up to 5 shows a year, starting with Marco Pierre White's Kitchen Wars. - In the longterm, there are plans for "home-grown, cost effective drama and scripted comedy." This is certainly welcome news. Source and more: http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118050589?refCatId=14 Homeland wouldn't have worked on Channel 5, it is the right fit for Channel 4 but I think they should looking for more cable dramas that fit their channels. |
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After one of the worst TV football games of the season, something's finally happened on ITV1 with the last touch of the game.
I suspect many have switched to Masterchef or One Born Every Minute in the meantime. |
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I hope cost effective drama means co-productions rather than doing it on the cheap.
Possibly a Channel 5 prime-time drama would have a similar budget to BBC1 daytime drama Doctors and Doctors is quite well respected. The main giveaway to its low budget is the lack of patients in the surgery waiting-room cos they can't afford to pay for many extras. ![]() In drama the big costs will be lots of actors, lots of extras, lots of set, elaborate costumes and elaborate set-piece stunts. So a writer with a low-budget avoids all that but he needn't necessarily stop him/her coming up with a good story. |
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I agree with that and I don't think the BBC think that way either.
Yes BGT will clap out one day, as will most shows, but I'm not anticipating any massive declines this year. |
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I hope they show some good Aussie dramas on 5*, im sure Dancc could point them in the right direction, if they asked him.
As for Channel 5 drama, oh boy "cost effective" does not read as well as Jeff Ford thinks it does, whatever they produce I hope its worth while. |
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I hope they show some good Aussie dramas on 5*, im sure Dancc could point them in the right direction, if they asked him.
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As for Channel 5 drama, oh boy "cost effective" does not read as well as Jeff Ford thinks it does, whatever they produce I hope its worth while.
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It's a vague description and could mean lots of things. We've discussed in the past ways it could work like pilots, one-off dramas, co-productions, etc etc. I'm just glad to hear them talking about the idea. We've known for some time that homegrown comedy/drama is difficult to do on C5's budget so it should not come as a surprise to anyone that they are starting off small. |
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