LOL - the people on this thread are getting more bonkers by the week! Robbie now seems like an ITVista by comparison to some of the wilder conspiracy theorists

Well if they don't remember, some folk will clearly do their best to make sure they don't forget....

Always tough when there is a big change in cast, though so far I too am preferring this series to last. I hope it does enough for a fifth but I think the BBC3 budget rather than ratings might have doomed it - and it's way too far down the track to get moved to BBC1 or BBC2.


Great figure.


Amazed how well that has held up considering how similar worthy dramas have struggled on C4.


I doubt in the end they'll overlap - and in all honesty like Strictly and The X Factor both will benefit a bit from the scheduling rivalry in terms of getting press attention, though as you say if clashes do happen they'll both be harmed in the ratings.

That said though I think if Strictly and The X Factor had been on their own on Saturday nights neither would have reached the heights they have.

Having had a 'sneak peak' at The Voice, it;s not serious at all, it's very much flashly, funny and very X-factor-y. The editing is pretty much exactly like an X Factor audition show, from the shots of them outside talking about their sob story, to Holly or Reggie watching on screens backstage with the family. There's 3/4 "big auditions" mixed in with montages.

It looks great, and I think any X Factor fan will love it, but there will be a serious overlap in audience with BGT I feel

i see it as my civic duty to highlight where public money has been used by a state body to try to put people in the private sector out of work.

She has 8 Episodes of Call the Midwife to write, I'd say she could be thankful to be given a pass re UD.

so its derivative! Ha. The pope is a catholic, bears go in the woods, etc.

Bonkers?

No that would be raking up 60 year old scheduling decisions in a 2012 Ratings Thread.

Granted we didn't have a thread going in 1955....

1955? Jeez clutching at straws much?

I see what you're saying Brekkie but there is a distinct difference in the feel of both Strictly and X Factor. Yes, they are both reality shows, but they are not aggressively targetting the same audience. Ballroom dancing does not necessarily appeal to the typical X Factor viewer and vice versa, even with the likes of Alesha Dixon judging. There is room for both on Saturday nights in the winter.

Now The Voice and Britain's Got Talent is a whole different ball game. I think the crossover here will be much much larger as the BBC have gone all out to capture the interest of a family audience including younger viewers. Both shows will be harmed.

I must confess I was listening on the wireless to Christopher Moyles on The Light Service this morning and thinking that this populist broadcasting could just as well be done by one of these newfangled commercial stations broadcasting from a ship in the North Sea.

You should have watched CTM George, sounds like you are a fan of the era.....

I'm confident that Upstairs Downstairs will get a 3rd series. They are building it up to be set in the middle of the war and that was always the plan. They aren't going to pass that up unless the ratings get really bad.

Plus as discussed yesterday. UD has been timeshifting very well. The first two episodes went over 7 million in the officials. Yes last nights was a sharp drop but I think competition from BBC Two was the reason. Lets see how the officials are come two weeks.

I believe the Forsyte Saga, which was the first really big costume drama, is still available on DVD George

On the subject of The Voice. Surprised so many are wanting to see it fail on here.

I hope its a huge success. The talent show formats on ITV have become dated, tired and dull. This is something new and fresh. I cannot wait and its so typical of ITV to try and ruin it.

I hope the BBC remember this and play dirty one day in the future when ITV have a big new show planned...

I doubt it will play on George's phonograph....

The Voice is a TXF rip off, plain and simple.

BBC1, the channel that brought us Noels House Party and Pets Win Prizes, should be capable of something new and entertaining.

Indeed, why not bring back both of the above....

ESPN
11am-2.30pm: Newcastle v Sunderland: 412k/3.7%

Sky Sports 1
1pm-4pm: Fulham v Wolves: 833k/6%
4pm-7pm: Tottenham v Man United: 2.3m/11.6%
*5 minute peak: 3.4m.

Guardian.

The Voice is nothing like X Factor. Its an American format for a start and launched over there long before X Factor did.

The only thing they share in common is the fact both shows have celeb mentors.

Only episode one's timeshifts has been released - 7.868m.

I've heard that episode two dropped over a miilion to around 6.7m.

After that silly episode with Val Barlow going off to share a bed with her young nephew and racking up a big butcher's bill, along with JFK using the staff toilets, I expect it to drop further!!

*sigh* Such a shame it looks like The Voice and BGT will be clashing. But the BBC has no one to blame but themselves. They knew this could happen as soon as they decided to delay The Voice to March/April which is around the same time BGTs on air normally. This couldve easily been avoided if theyd launched TV in January or February. It was a poor decision by them, now they have Lets Dance doing its lowest ever ratings, Magicians flopping and TV going up against BGT.

The first episode saw its episode increase in the official.

The second figure is an overnight. Episode 2 didn't start until 9.10 so the timeshift hasn't been added yet. The likelyhood is, it will go over 7 million.

I can only assume from your choice of words that you haven't watched Upstairs Downstairs - and no idea if you've seen DA - but I'd argue that reality is not quite as simple as UD not being 'very good' ...

UD is not attracting DA-style viewing figures partly because it is standing in DA's shadow in terms of both profile and budget. Although DA was obviously a copy of the original UD, it also has a much bigger cast and way more money spent on just about every aspect of it.

The other reason is that it has very few identifiable characters to hook viewers in. However poorly drawn DA's characters are - and some of them really are - they are all dumbed down to such an extent that it's easy for the audience to work out who's who and what they are up to. Contrast this with UD's muddy mire of characters, with only Claire Foy's Persie the only stand-out, and it's easy to see why viewers aren't engaging with the series.

I have to add, however, that, for me, 'quality' is the last word I'd use about DA's writing. It's full of sub-Crossroads cliches and shamelessly uses its cast to cloak some total and utter nonsense. So millions of people watch it? Millions watched Crossroads, too ...

The overnight for episode two was 5.8m. I understand it added another 900k in timeshifting.

Very true - though IMO as long as they don't clash or overlap they'll benefit from being on the same night - or BGT will at least assuming The Voice takes the 7pm hour and BGT the 8pm hour (as history would suggest), meaning BGT can pick up viewers at the end of The Voice.

As many of us have said ITV's best weapon against The Voice would be Take Me OUt - and in many ways The Voice v TMO would be more interesting from a ratings perspective than The Voice v BGT.

Why would that be interesting? Take Me Out cant even get 5million most of the time, The Voice would beat it easily.