Excellent rating for the Manchester United game.
The Ratings Thread (Part 32)
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dull week nothing worth spoiling in officials
bar this
BBC2
1 TOP GEAR (SUN 2001) 5.25
C4
1 BIG FAT GYPSY WEDDINGS (TUE 2102) 5.03
C5
1 FOOTBALL: MAN UTD V AJAX... (THU 1930) 3.08
soaps are the top rated progs of the week
back later when it's all live on BARB website
bar this
BBC2
1 TOP GEAR (SUN 2001) 5.25
C4
1 BIG FAT GYPSY WEDDINGS (TUE 2102) 5.03
C5
1 FOOTBALL: MAN UTD V AJAX... (THU 1930) 3.08
soaps are the top rated progs of the week
back later when it's all live on BARB website
Not sure how The Voice will do... 5m?
Does anyone know if it is a Saturday show only, or will they do results on a Sunday?
Does anyone know if it is a Saturday show only, or will they do results on a Sunday?
data for w/e 26th February 2012 now live on BARB website
enjoy!
PS I'm off next week, so no spoilers from me
enjoy!
PS I'm off next week, so no spoilers from me
Dont let anyone run away with the idea that Upstairs Downstairs is bad, it isnt. Admittedly the first episode did not do it any favours as a launch pad but the last two have been excellent and its a fine drama. Its just haunted and undermined by Downton Abbey which has become a kind of X Factor for drama and its shadow is huge at the moment.
The likely massive figures awaiting the almost(DA) sister show Titanic will also be a blow. UD is supposed to be landmark drama and 5 million, irrespective of final figures, is not good enough. UD will never escape the comparison with DA and I rather think questions will be asked about the sense of a third series however sad that may be.
As for the rest of the figures, Sundays are almost as bland as Saturdays. Call the Midwife has shown up DOI shortcomings which by its standards is ambling to its end this year.
With regard to Titanic, I would urge any channel which has the rights to the Cameron version to repeat it before the start of the forthcoming series. Could gain some increased interest with all that is going on.
The likely massive figures awaiting the almost(DA) sister show Titanic will also be a blow. UD is supposed to be landmark drama and 5 million, irrespective of final figures, is not good enough. UD will never escape the comparison with DA and I rather think questions will be asked about the sense of a third series however sad that may be.
As for the rest of the figures, Sundays are almost as bland as Saturdays. Call the Midwife has shown up DOI shortcomings which by its standards is ambling to its end this year.
With regard to Titanic, I would urge any channel which has the rights to the Cameron version to repeat it before the start of the forthcoming series. Could gain some increased interest with all that is going on.
Originally Posted by Mike Teevee:
“C5
1 FOOTBALL: MAN UTD V AJAX... (THU 1930) 3.08”
“C5
1 FOOTBALL: MAN UTD V AJAX... (THU 1930) 3.08”
Why so much lower than the overnight?
They strip out adverts I know. I'd have thought that would make it a little bit higher.
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“Why would that be interesting? Take Me Out cant even get 5million most of the time, The Voice would beat it easily.”
“Why would that be interesting? Take Me Out cant even get 5million most of the time, The Voice would beat it easily.”
Take Me Out has over a million 16-34s watching and the BBC would want to attract a high level of 16-34s to the Voice and bring in a younger audience for Saturday nights. I think it would be interesting to see if the 16-34s stick to Take Me Out, or if a high number switch over and watch the Voice instead.
Take Me Out may not deliver huge figures, but it's incredibly consistent.
Originally Posted by ronant:
“Red Button massively outrating BBCHD, interesting. They should just put the whole show on one of the main channels IMO, big, big red button ratings.”
“Red Button massively outrating BBCHD, interesting. They should just put the whole show on one of the main channels IMO, big, big red button ratings.”
There isn't much benefit of putting the whole of it on BBC1 or BBC2, people know it's on the red button and on the main channels there's a good chance of it being kicked off or moved or shortened most weeks. If anything it would just cause more people to slag off the Beeb, saying they used to show sport on a Saturday and now they're reduced to just talking about it. And if there's live sport on BBC1, it wouldn't get much and annoy people looking for an alternative.
It's not surprising the red button ratings are higher than on the HD channel, they've only just started showing it on there and it still has a much smaller potential audience than the red button. I'm going to suggest the kind of people who have HD are the kind of people more likely to have Sky Sports anyway. And HD adds nothing to it.
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Sky were foolish not to simulcast Soccer Saturday at least on Pick TV, even for just the 3pm-5pm segment.”
“Sky were foolish not to simulcast Soccer Saturday at least on Pick TV, even for just the 3pm-5pm segment.”
I'm amazed they don't simulcast it on Sky Sports itself anymore, because it's simply illogical to have a football match at lunchtime and one at teatime and then some wrestling and sailing repeats in between. Especially as they simulcast the weeknight ones. Amusing though Jeff is, at the end of the day it is just the football results and Final Score does do the same thing.
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“It would be interesting to see whether subscriptions to Sky Sports has increased since SSN was axed from Freeview as that was pretty much a 24/7 promo channel for Sky Sports.”
“It would be interesting to see whether subscriptions to Sky Sports has increased since SSN was axed from Freeview as that was pretty much a 24/7 promo channel for Sky Sports.”
Well, at the very least it rendered pointless the regular suggestions here that Sky could buy the World Cup and the Olympics and show them on Pick TV as a promotional vehicle for Sky Sports, because they were happy to take Sky Sports News off Freeview which does nothing but. I dunno how much promotion Sky Sports needs anyway, you know what they show.
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“Viewing does look generally down, with UD feeling the squeeze with 5.1m. Perhaps 2012 will be the year viewers tire of period drama?”
“Viewing does look generally down, with UD feeling the squeeze with 5.1m. Perhaps 2012 will be the year viewers tire of period drama?”
Heh, what's been the most popular drama of 2012 so far? It's possibly right to say this has been shown too close to Call The Midwife, but the Beeb have too few dramas capable of over five million viewers to start axing them willy nilly.
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“Brilliant BBC2 figures for Orbit, which explains the UD drop.
Not sure that was a smart bit of BBC scheduling....”
“Brilliant BBC2 figures for Orbit, which explains the UD drop.
Not sure that was a smart bit of BBC scheduling....”
It's excellent BBC scheduling, the kind of male interest show that fits perfectly between Top Gear and Match of the Day. People always say they should move MOTD2 to BBC2 but Sundays are a big lads' night on BBC2, they have a great portfolio of shows to put there and they make for a fine alternative to what BBC1 is doing. I'm amazed so few people notice what a great job BBC2 do on Sunday nights and why it's so important they keep Top Gear and MOTD there, Sunday 9pm is a brilliant slot for that channel with a wonderful lead-in and lead-out.
Originally Posted by dubsj:
“Not sure how The Voice will do... 5m?
Does anyone know if it is a Saturday show only, or will they do results on a Sunday?”
“Not sure how The Voice will do... 5m?
Does anyone know if it is a Saturday show only, or will they do results on a Sunday?”
I'm guessing that they'd wait until the show is established as a hit before they start doing Sunday shows, especially as I presume they'd have to be live.
Originally Posted by Mike Teevee:
“dull week nothing worth spoiling in officials”
“dull week nothing worth spoiling in officials”
Yes, dull dull dull - just the "official, proper, on the record" numbers rather than "back of a fag packet overnight guesstimates" - move along, nothing to see here...
Actually, there's a ring of truth to that given the obsession some have with incomplete and increasingly irrelevant overnights.
Originally Posted by UpInMyFace:
“The Voice is nothing like X Factor. Its an American format for a start and launched over there long before X Factor did.
The only thing they share in common is the fact both shows have celeb mentors.”
“The Voice is nothing like X Factor. Its an American format for a start and launched over there long before X Factor did.
The only thing they share in common is the fact both shows have celeb mentors.”
It's a Dutch format for a start...
And people need to stop hyping it up to be this radical, fresh, innovative format. The fact is it's a new slant on a very old format that dates back decades, just as X Factor, Fame Academy and Pop Idol were before it.
In fact I'm struggling to see exactly what's so different once you go beyond the (albeit interesting) novelty of the blind auditions. That is what will get people watching and if the show is good then that's what will keep people watching.
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“Why would that be interesting? Take Me Out cant even get 5million most of the time, The Voice would beat it easily.”
“Why would that be interesting? Take Me Out cant even get 5million most of the time, The Voice would beat it easily.”
No guarantee at all The Voice would beat 5m - but Take Me Out is pretty much one of the top show for 16-34s and has a fairly loyal audience. I think viewers are more likely to give BGT a miss to try out The Voice than to give up on Take Me Out - especially considering the changes at BGT. I'm not convinced at all about David Walliams and Alesha Dixon joining the show.
I'd say if Take Me Out could keep 4m+ viewers against The Voice (so losing up to 20% of it's audience) ITV would be fairly happy, especially if they peg The Voice down to around 7m or less. If BGT lost 20% of it's audience though it would pretty much be a disaster.
Originally Posted by Chris1964:
“With regard to Titanic, I would urge any channel which has the rights to the Cameron version to repeat it before the start of the forthcoming series. Could gain some increased interest with all that is going on.”
“With regard to Titanic, I would urge any channel which has the rights to the Cameron version to repeat it before the start of the forthcoming series. Could gain some increased interest with all that is going on.”
I think C4 has the rights. If not, someone is bound to show it again.
C5 plan to get in before everyone else with big-budget drama documentary Inside the Titanic:
Quote:
“Ahead of the 100th anniversary of the sinking of the Titanic, Channel 5 brings you an ambitious, big-budget, factual drama that gets down below the decks of the ship to reveal, moment by moment, exactly how the water gradually sank it. ‘Inside the Titanic’ is an emotionally powerful and visually spectacular film that brings to life the untold stories of the engineers and stokers who battled to save the ship – stories reconstructed from the records of the official inquiry into the disaster.
James Cameron gave us snobbery and social conflict on the high seas and Julian Fellowes is getting ready to serve up more in his forthcoming TV mini-series. But several levels below even the third-class decks were the great ship’s massive machine rooms – and the sealed compartments that were supposed to make it unsinkable. ‘Inside The Titanic’ introduces us to the men who lived in this sweaty, noisy hell and tells the moment-by-moment story of their battle to save the ship.
Intercut with their struggle are untold stories from the passenger cabins – the man racing to save his secret mistress, the nurse searching flooding corridors for the child in her care, the brothers perched on the lip of the sinking ship deciding whether or not to jump – all told through factual drama, based on first-hand accounts from the inquiry that followed the sinking.
With stunning production values, revelatory CGI and forensic analysis of the mechanics of disaster, this is the story of exactly how the unsinkable ship sank – and what it felt like to be on it.”
“Ahead of the 100th anniversary of the sinking of the Titanic, Channel 5 brings you an ambitious, big-budget, factual drama that gets down below the decks of the ship to reveal, moment by moment, exactly how the water gradually sank it. ‘Inside the Titanic’ is an emotionally powerful and visually spectacular film that brings to life the untold stories of the engineers and stokers who battled to save the ship – stories reconstructed from the records of the official inquiry into the disaster.
James Cameron gave us snobbery and social conflict on the high seas and Julian Fellowes is getting ready to serve up more in his forthcoming TV mini-series. But several levels below even the third-class decks were the great ship’s massive machine rooms – and the sealed compartments that were supposed to make it unsinkable. ‘Inside The Titanic’ introduces us to the men who lived in this sweaty, noisy hell and tells the moment-by-moment story of their battle to save the ship.
Intercut with their struggle are untold stories from the passenger cabins – the man racing to save his secret mistress, the nurse searching flooding corridors for the child in her care, the brothers perched on the lip of the sinking ship deciding whether or not to jump – all told through factual drama, based on first-hand accounts from the inquiry that followed the sinking.
With stunning production values, revelatory CGI and forensic analysis of the mechanics of disaster, this is the story of exactly how the unsinkable ship sank – and what it felt like to be on it.”
Airs mid to late March, date and time TBC.
Originally Posted by UpInMyFace:
“The Voice is nothing like X Factor. Its an American format for a start and launched over there long before X Factor did.
The only thing they share in common is the fact both shows have celeb mentors.”
“The Voice is nothing like X Factor. Its an American format for a start and launched over there long before X Factor did.
The only thing they share in common is the fact both shows have celeb mentors.”
The Voice isn't a US format and it launched a few months ahead of The X Factor.
The key difference between The X Factor and The Voice (at least in every other country on the planet) has been the difference in tone of the two shows. The Voice hasn't been even a tenth as a exploitative as The X Factor for example. I think one of the best ways to highlight the difference between the two formats is to point people toward the audition of Jamar Rogers on The Voice US. He's a former American Idol contestant, former drug addict, used to be homeless and having now got clean and found a job has discovered that he's HIV+. How do you imagine The X Factor would have treated that back story? Certainly not in the same way they did on The Voice.
Originally Posted by dubsj:
“Not sure how The Voice will do... 5m?
Does anyone know if it is a Saturday show only, or will they do results on a Sunday?”
“Not sure how The Voice will do... 5m?
Does anyone know if it is a Saturday show only, or will they do results on a Sunday?”
Depends how the BBC intends to handle the format.
Elsewhere a stand alone results show isn't introduced until very late into the format - quarter or semi finals I think.
Its a big shame that Upstairs Downstairs is flopping. I much prefer it to Downton Abbey's soapy sensationalist love stories. The comparisons have been very unfair and seem to be by those who haven't watched Upstairs Downstairs. I also think some wanted it to fail.
Some proper ratings:
The League Cup Final - overall coverage - 5.9m (a good marker for the FA Cup Final to surely beat in May?)
Upstairs Downstairs - 6.70m - respectable enough, up 800k?
Countryfile & Antiques Roadshow - both 6.58m - excellent when delayed and out of slot
The Diamond Queen - 6.61m
BBC News (Sunday 7.15pm) - 6.27m - against DOI! (which got 7.81m)
Top Gear - 6.12m
Pointless Celebrities 5.0m (to 1dp
)
Benidorm 7.23m
(most of) The Brit Awards - 6.33m - decent number for Adele's last ever ITV appearance
Waterloo Road - 5.50m
Casualty - 6.10m - not good enough really, should be closer to 7m, but timeshifting well
Prisoners' Wives - 4.69m - decent timeshift from 3.7m overnight
The League Cup Final - overall coverage - 5.9m (a good marker for the FA Cup Final to surely beat in May?)
Upstairs Downstairs - 6.70m - respectable enough, up 800k?
Countryfile & Antiques Roadshow - both 6.58m - excellent when delayed and out of slot
The Diamond Queen - 6.61m
BBC News (Sunday 7.15pm) - 6.27m - against DOI! (which got 7.81m)
Top Gear - 6.12m
Pointless Celebrities 5.0m (to 1dp
)Benidorm 7.23m
(most of) The Brit Awards - 6.33m - decent number for Adele's last ever ITV appearance
Waterloo Road - 5.50m
Casualty - 6.10m - not good enough really, should be closer to 7m, but timeshifting well
Prisoners' Wives - 4.69m - decent timeshift from 3.7m overnight
Maybe Upstairs Downstairs is only getting 5m in overnights, not because people are constantly comparing to Downton, but because its just not that great? Birdsong and Call The Midwife are both period dramas and got great ratings in the last month. It can happen.
The Voice's biggest weakness is that by letting the public have ANY say it, it immediately does not become about The Voice
It will be interesting to see how the public do actually vote in that respect, actually.
It will be interesting to see how the public do actually vote in that respect, actually.
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“Maybe Upstairs Downstairs is only getting 5m in overnights, not because people are constantly comparing to Downton, but because its just not that great? Birdsong and Call The Midwife are both period dramas and got great ratings in the last month. It can happen.”
“Maybe Upstairs Downstairs is only getting 5m in overnights, not because people are constantly comparing to Downton, but because its just not that great? Birdsong and Call The Midwife are both period dramas and got great ratings in the last month. It can happen.”
I think its been fantastic myself. So have the many others in the thread on here discussing it.
Originally Posted by Talk That Talk:
“I think its been fantastic myself. So have the many others in the thread on here discussing it.”
“I think its been fantastic myself. So have the many others in the thread on here discussing it.”
Just because a few people on Digital Spy have enjoyed it doesnt mean the public at large has. Its lost 1-and-a-half million viewers in two weeks even though its had a better start time week by week, the viewers at home are voting with their remotes.
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“I'd say if Take Me Out could keep 4m+ viewers against The Voice (so losing up to 20% of it's audience) ITV would be fairly happy, especially if they peg The Voice down to around 7m or less. If BGT lost 20% of it's audience though it would pretty much be a disaster.”
“I'd say if Take Me Out could keep 4m+ viewers against The Voice (so losing up to 20% of it's audience) ITV would be fairly happy, especially if they peg The Voice down to around 7m or less. If BGT lost 20% of it's audience though it would pretty much be a disaster.”
When does TMO finish? It's been on since the New Year already hasn't it?
I liked your "keep The Voice down to 7m".
Yes, get those wild over-predictions in now...
Originally Posted by Talk That Talk:
“Its a big shame that Upstairs Downstairs is flopping.”
“Its a big shame that Upstairs Downstairs is flopping.”
Is it "flopping", in fairness?
If it can keep 6m or more engaged, in an ultra competitive slot, then it has done well.
I think the Beeb may have felt it would do better than it has, but it looks very exposed starting midway through an ITV drama and with popular BBC2 and Ch4 offerings aiming for the same demographic.
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“Is it "flopping", in fairness?”
“Is it "flopping", in fairness?”
Hm, not yet, but it can't afford to drop much further. DSRPG players thought it would manage 5.9m last night. In reality it fell well short of that.
Must be weird for Heidi Thomas.
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“Its lost 1-and-a-half million viewers in two weeks even though its had a better start time week by week...”
“Its lost 1-and-a-half million viewers in two weeks even though its had a better start time week by week...”
From a scheduling perspective, I say the opposite.
Ep 1 started head to head on a junction with ITV1 and Ch4 - plus it had an 11m+ lead in.
Ep 2 had half the previous week's lead in, but only overlapped with WAH for about 15 minutes.
Ep 3 had a smaller lead in again, and overlapped with WAH for 25-30mins.
Whilst I think PVRing is boosting timeshifts and viewing figures overall, UD may suffer from clashing with too many PVRable programmes and with ITV running to different junctions it means more overlaps - so harder to make recordings. Just a thought.
Originally Posted by Steve Williams:
“I'm amazed they don't simulcast it on Sky Sports itself anymore, because it's simply illogical to have a football match at lunchtime and one at teatime and then some wrestling and sailing repeats in between.”
“I'm amazed they don't simulcast it on Sky Sports itself anymore, because it's simply illogical to have a football match at lunchtime and one at teatime and then some wrestling and sailing repeats in between.”
Very simple - Sky is a business.
1) It stops BT and TUTV SS subscribers watching it.
2) It stops VM SS subscribers watching it in HD.
Sky takes decisions based on what is in its business interest, not on what may appear "logical".
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“Just because a few people on Digital Spy have enjoyed it doesnt mean the public at large has. Its lost 1-and-a-half million viewers in two weeks even though its had a better start time week by week, the viewers at home are voting with their remotes.”
“Just because a few people on Digital Spy have enjoyed it doesnt mean the public at large has. Its lost 1-and-a-half million viewers in two weeks even though its had a better start time week by week, the viewers at home are voting with their remotes.”
I would imagine many of those 1.5 million have watched Downton Abbey too. The shows are different, Downton is soapier, UD is far more traditional drama, but they both have aristocratic families and their servants and feature the relationships between them both. Its just that DA is bigger, more lavish and has a kind of X Factor of its own.
There is no doubt imo that UD has suffered to a degree because of DA. Voting with remotes is right, its because they dont get the fix they do with DA. It does not necessarily follow that UD is bad drama or indeed that Downton Abbey is great drama.
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