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Old 10-03-2012, 08:40
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An example from today's Daily Express of how C5 spins its audience figures:

''A total of 9.1 million tuned in to watch Manchester United's clash with Athletic Bilbao. The audience peaked at 5.3 million and averaged 4.3 million''

But surely the average includes the peak ?
The average is for the whole slot, the peak is the highest audience over a certain period (normally five minutes), the 9.1m would be the reach, the number of people who watched at least three consecutive minutes.
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Old 10-03-2012, 09:44
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Friday 9th March 2012
Sky1
21:00 - Stella: 495k
* peak: 567k

Sky Sports F1
20:00 - The F1 Show: 173k
* peak: 207k

Source: John Williams on Twitter.
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Old 10-03-2012, 09:54
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Friday 9th March 2012
Sky1
21:00 - Stella: 495k
* peak: 567k

Sky Sports F1
20:00 - The F1 Show: 173k
* peak: 207k

Source: John Williams on Twitter.
Bit of a drop over the series for Stella, but I believe it timeshifts well... Don't know what the F1 show rating show.. Doesn't appear to have been a massive night for sky one...
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Old 10-03-2012, 10:09
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BBC1
2000 EastEnders 7.5m/31.8%
2030 Room 101 3.0m/12.2 %
2100 New Tricks 3.9m/16.7%
2200 BBC News at Ten 3.6m/18.4%
2235 The Graham Norton Show 3.2m/21.8%
ITV1 (inc +1 and HD)
1900 Emmerdale 7.2m/34.5%
1930 Coronation Street 8.9m/39.8%
2000 Safari Vet School 3.0m/12.7%
2030 Coronation Street 8.8m/36.4%
2100 Benidorm 6.5m/28.1%
2200 ITV News at Ten & Weather 2.3m/12.2%
BBC2
2100 Melvyn Bragg on Class and Culture 1.3m/5.5%
2200 QI 1.8m/9.3%
C4
1935 Come Dine with Me 1.1m/4.7%
2030 New Girl 1.0m/4.2%
2100 The Bank Job 1.2m/5.4pc
2200 The Secret Policeman's Ball 2012 1.2m/8.1 %
C5
2000 Eddie Stobart: Trucks and Trailers 1.5m/6.2%
2100 The Mentalist 1.5m/6.2%
2200 Castle 0.9m/5.4%

(BARB)
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Old 10-03-2012, 10:12
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BBC1

2000 EastEnders 7.5m/31.8%
2030 Room 101 3.0m/12.2 %
2100 New Tricks 3.9m/16.7%
2200 BBC News at Ten 3.6m/18.4%
2235 The Graham Norton Show 3.2m/21.8%

updating
Source for them? Because at least one of those ratings (or share) looks suspicious.
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Old 10-03-2012, 10:17
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Bit of a drop over the series for Stella, but I believe it timeshifts well... Don't know what the F1 show rating show.. Doesn't appear to have been a massive night for sky one...
That's the way it goes with multichannels. I was watching the World Golf Championship on Sky Sports 2, Sky plussing Stella and will have a look at the F1 show on a repeat showing.

And of course it's a new channel, so the 'sports' audience is now fragmented over six channels instead of five.
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Old 10-03-2012, 10:35
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Another point on the F1 ratings. How often is the BARB panel updated to reflect the numbers taking SS1 and 2 and/or the HD sub?
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:26
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That's the way it goes with multichannels. I was watching the World Golf Championship on Sky Sports 2, Sky plussing Stella and will have a look at the F1 show on a repeat showing.

And of course it's a new channel, so the 'sports' audience is now fragmented over six channels instead of five.
Yes it does seem that the multichannel shows can timeshift to become double the overnight, something never seen on the main five.. And I do agree that it will take a few weeks to see if that was a good rating or low for the F1 show, also even if it fluctuates, it would be a good idea to watch the share...
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:30
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Em 7.1m
EE 8.0m
CS 8.7 & 9.0m
Beni 6.09m
Rm101 2.95m (John Prescott effect?)
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:30
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Yes it does seem that the multichannel shows can timeshift to become double the overnight,
....and the rest. Fringe regularly uplifts from circa 150k to 500k and an episode of American Horror Story went from 40k to 260k.

With so much choice we timeshift everything and watch recordings without the ads, whilst new stuff is recording.
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Old 10-03-2012, 12:50
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The average is for the whole slot, the peak is the highest audience over a certain period (normally five minutes), the 9.1m would be the reach, the number of people who watched at least three consecutive minutes.
It could be the reach - though I can't see the reach being significantly more than the peak. It's all about spinning these figures - I could say 6m people decided to turn off C5 during the match if the peak was 9m and average was just over 3m.

I suspect the Daily Express probably added in people who saw a report on the BBC News at Ten or something. Either way it's pretty desperate.
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Old 10-03-2012, 13:29
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Lord Sugar has tweeted to confirm that The Apprentice returns on Wednesday 21st at 9pm.

No Tuesday/Wednesday opening then.

edit: actually that's probably old news, it's only Wednesday week isn't it...
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Old 10-03-2012, 13:38
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Yes, the schedules confirmed it on Wednesday. I doubt you'll be watching though Robbie - BBC1 shouldn't be buying hit international entertainment formats after all.
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Old 10-03-2012, 13:54
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Yes, the schedules confirmed it on Wednesday. I doubt you'll be watching though Robbie - BBC1 shouldn't be buying hit international entertainment formats after all.
I doubt The Apprentice costs BBC £20 million though.
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Old 10-03-2012, 14:11
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Any news on Gardeners' World?

Edit! Just found them myself. 2.04million.

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Old 10-03-2012, 14:31
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I doubt The Apprentice costs BBC £20 million though.
and of course commercial TV isn't awash with near identical formats either!
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Old 10-03-2012, 14:33
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I doubt The Apprentice costs BBC £20 million though.
And even if it did, the BBC's got their money's worth from the Apprentice, which, as it started on BBC2, was never bought in to be a massive can't-fail reputation-on-the-line ratings hit the way The Voice appears to have been.

Starting to agree with Robbie that it's very difficult for the BBC to justify the high purchase price of The Voice in these austere times, even if it becomes as big a hit as Strictly or X Factor or Britain's Got Talent.
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Old 10-03-2012, 14:36
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I doubt The Apprentice costs BBC £20 million though.
the high purchase price .
Your source for that? Because that figure that has been picked up in the papers comes from a Media Guardian journo who later admitted on Radio 5 live, that it was his own general estimate
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Old 10-03-2012, 14:44
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Basically commercial TV takes the easy route every time, the BBC should be doing the tough stuff.

That does not mean PSB cannot be popular, but easy ratings from exploitative so-called "singing" competitions does not look like something the BBC should be doing.

What would be tough of a saturday evening would be an actual musical, with singing and dancing of the highest standard. It could be done in a studio, no need for such a thing to be more expensive than "The Voice"

With The Voice the BBC are attempting to buy ratings, and it's not even cheap.
The whole PSB idea is flawed whilst the licence fee is universal imo. Very few people are going to buy the idea that the BBC should not be seeking to engage as many people as possible when its income is so vast. And engaging people in todays tv landscape means you cannot ignore what has been the most popular entertainment format for several years.
Part of the reason Cohen and the BBC have gone for The Voice surely is the hugely sad fact that since the end of House Party in the late nineties the BBC have just had one clear returnable entertainment hit in Strictly Come Dancing. Thats a record so poor that I would imagine the thinking is almost forced to consider something outside the box. As for the amount, as I understand it was 25 million, a huge amount agreed, though ITV did bid 30 million (presumably just to keep it away from the BBC). Personally i would rather have this than some of the many instantly forgettable formats the Beeb has attempted to dress up in the last decade.
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Old 10-03-2012, 15:03
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And even if it did, the BBC's got their money's worth from the Apprentice, which, as it started on BBC2, was never bought in to be a massive can't-fail reputation-on-the-line ratings hit the way The Voice appears to have been.

Starting to agree with Robbie that it's very difficult for the BBC to justify the high purchase price of The Voice in these austere times, even if it becomes as big a hit as Strictly or X Factor or Britain's Got Talent.
I think it does put alot of pressure on The Voice to succeed, if it doesnt the £25 million tag is going to get heavier and heavier.
However I dont get the austerity bit, the Beeb is still getting a guaranteed huge income which presumably has to be spent and if times are bad surely we need to be entertained all the more by stuff that appears on the screen. Saturday nights deserve more than endless lottery formats, endlessly grim Casualty, extremely poor soundalike formats and unbelievably ridiculous stuff like Dont Scare The Hare imo. Thats what we have had for what seems like forever.
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Old 10-03-2012, 15:03
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Your source for that? Because that figure that has been picked up in the papers comes from a Media Guardian journo who later admitted on Radio 5 live, that it was his own general estimate
Er... Robbie Sykes and D.M.N

Maybe the BBC should be a bit more upfront with how much their TV shows cost seeing as how it's our licence fee they're spending and we own them!
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Old 10-03-2012, 15:10
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Just a snippet I read in The Mirror which Iv missed and presumably has been mentioned here or in other threads, Cheryl Cole is apparently going to have her own chat show on the BBC-or at least negotiations are well on the way.

I did read somewhere else the BBC is looking at another chat show fronted by a puppet!
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Old 10-03-2012, 15:26
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I think it does put alot of pressure on The Voice to succeed, if it doesnt the £25 million tag is going to get heavier and heavier.
However I dont get the austerity bit, the Beeb is still getting a guaranteed huge income which presumably has to be spent and if times are bad surely we need to be entertained all the more by stuff that appears on the screen. Saturday nights deserve more than endless lottery formats, endlessly grim Casualty, extremely poor soundalike formats and unbelievably ridiculous stuff like Dont Scare The Hare imo. Thats what we have had for what seems like forever.
Exactly - and you don't get much change out of £20m for Casualty (indeed you don't get any - BBC Trust), The BBC didn't get SYTYCD for free either.
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Old 10-03-2012, 15:26
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Just a snippet I read in The Mirror which Iv missed and presumably has been mentioned here or in other threads, Cheryl Cole is apparently going to have her own chat show on the BBC-or at least negotiations are well on the way.

I did read somewhere else the BBC is looking at another chat show fronted by a puppet!
IF it's true... (very likely )

The BBC: Throwing money away they don't have just to rub ITV's nose in it.
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Old 10-03-2012, 15:37
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Exactly - and you don't get much change out of £20m for Casualty (indeed you don't get any - BBC Trust), The BBC didn't get SYTYCD for free either.
Err....

£20m divided by 48 episodes = 417k per episode.
£0 for buying the rights for it.

Now, The Voice on the other hand:

£20m for buying the rights for it. Then you've got to add on the production costs, which will be a lot more than 417k per episode will take you up to nearly £30m.
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