Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“The BBC is offering a talent show based on voice alone. This is different from the X Factor which is more than just having a voice.”
“The BBC is offering a talent show based on voice alone. This is different from the X Factor which is more than just having a voice.”
As soon as the chairs spin the gimmick is lost - it's little different to The X Factor. Remember, series 1 of The X Factor had little in way of hype or over exaggeration that has plagued the later series. There's nothing to say The Voice won't go the same way.
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“Should the BBC stop doing expensive dramas now just cos ITV and other channels do drama?”
“Should the BBC stop doing expensive dramas now just cos ITV and other channels do drama?”
No, I never argued that. Most commercial dramas are relatively cheap; if the BBC splash out more on drama good on them - I hope it works.
Originally Posted by Servalan:
“Sorry - the facts don't back up your argument. ITV's collapse in the early 00s was all down to the then management. It wasn't about the change in the commercial market. It was about how the company dealt with that - i.e. badly ...”
“Sorry - the facts don't back up your argument. ITV's collapse in the early 00s was all down to the then management. It wasn't about the change in the commercial market. It was about how the company dealt with that - i.e. badly ...”
But I'd say the franchise changes set up the management structure which made a mess of the commercial changes.
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“The argument that the BBC should only do things the commercial sector can't provide is a thinly veiled excuse to scale the BBC back to little more than broadcasting Songs Of Praise and local news. And it's usually made by people with vested interests who feel threatened by the BBC's raft of programmes (we'll start with James Murdoch ...).”
“The argument that the BBC should only do things the commercial sector can't provide is a thinly veiled excuse to scale the BBC back to little more than broadcasting Songs Of Praise and local news. And it's usually made by people with vested interests who feel threatened by the BBC's raft of programmes (we'll start with James Murdoch ...).”
Hardly; the BBC provide a lot of popular programming which is not covered by the commercial sector - Strictly Come Dancing, Let's Dance, The Apprentice, Merlin, Doctor Who, even...at a stretch...EastEnders as it's a London based soap. The terrestrial commercial sector blundered with the Premiership's rights and seemingly cannot or do not want to pay for the likes of the Six Nations or Formula One which the BBC provide.
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“The BBC has broadcast talent shows before, so I hardly see why The Voice is such a big deal, particularlt as nobody has even seen it yet.
The real question is: if the commercial sector can provide much that the BBC does, why did it not commission the Corporation's most successful programmes in the first place? And I can't believe The Voice was all about money, because if it was, it would have ended up on Sky ...”
“The BBC has broadcast talent shows before, so I hardly see why The Voice is such a big deal, particularlt as nobody has even seen it yet.
The real question is: if the commercial sector can provide much that the BBC does, why did it not commission the Corporation's most successful programmes in the first place? And I can't believe The Voice was all about money, because if it was, it would have ended up on Sky ...”
It's not about The Voice making money; it's about the amount spent on The Voice when it's a show the BBC don't particularly need.
Or maybe Robbie's has because he's against The Voice on the BBC too? Though to be fair, I think he'd be against The Voice on any channel...I'm just against the BBC (in my mind) throwing money at it when other areas could have done with the cash.
