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Old 22-02-2012, 00:47
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I agree with you whole heartedly. Some things work for some and not others. Adele can't be Beyonce, although Beyonce can be Adele. Mariah has to stand still and even being still she isn't perfect (even in her prime, she really had to concentrate to get her whistle notes on key, and sometimes she just made the noise rather than hit the exact same note).
I am willing to bet that there are very, very, very few good pop singers who can still sing brilliantly LIVE (really) and move like JLS because of the breathing required. A lot of pop songs are between 120 and 130 beats a minute...which is intense. You move around at that speed for three and a half minutes...it is knackering. JLS are exhausted afterwards, but it is not because of their singing. It should be mind.

I would suggest that your Adele's, Mariah's (although I can't stand her voice), Whitney's, Celine's, Katherine's and Amy's ...and musical theatre performers, will be singing really LIVE. The majority of the 'pop' singers will be miming.
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Old 22-02-2012, 00:52
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As I say, someone like JLS should just sing LIVE to an instrumental backing track, supported by LIVE backing vocalists if necessary...and that is it. No pre-recorded backing vocals at all. If they are miming/singing to a pre-recorded vocal line, what is the point really?
I don't really think there is a difference between live backing vocalists and pre-recorded backing vocals, other than pre-recorded ones blend the voice more and hide some of the bum notes, but even live backing vocalists can have this effect....

Cheryl Cole did a (very rare) live set and her backing vocals (who were live) drowned her out....
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Old 22-02-2012, 00:56
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I am willing to bet that there are very, very, very few good pop singers who can still sing brilliantly LIVE (really) and move like JLS because of the breathing required. A lot of pop songs are between 120 and 130 beats a minute...which is intense. You move around at that speed for three and a half minutes...it is knackering. JLS are exhausted afterwards, but it is not because of their singing. It should be mind.

I would suggest that your Adele's, Mariah's (although I can't stand her voice), Whitney's, Celine's, Katherine's and Amy's ...and musical theatre performers, will be singing really LIVE. The majority of the 'pop' singers will be miming.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxshE43LP7w

Mariah does mime. Her track kept skipping during this performance so she blamed her backing vocalists (even though it wasn't their fault) and she was forced to sing the whole thing live because it messed up
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Old 22-02-2012, 00:59
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No tangent, and IMO, just those 2 along with whoever. I know Jessie J will be there, she's at the Diamond Jubilee concert. I don't think 1D will be there, they'll be in the USA and touring. JLS have an album to get out too. The performers have to be very good and good live to represent the UK. I don't think the Commonwealth will come into it. Since it's a UK event there will only be British performers from the UK I think. The two I mentioned can perform live without backing tracks (it depends on the song construction though, some songs have backing vocals in them in the background). Also Leona is working on her album so I don't know if she'll be performing, although she is doing the Hackney weekend event. 2 singers isn't that bad. We do have a wealth of talent, but to ignore them is simply silly, they have a lot to offer too. It won't just be those 2 performing (if they do perform). Bearing in mind, the acts selected have to put on a show to entertain the world. And we'll be judged on the opening and closing ceremonies.
The Queen is the UK's monarch, but also the Queen to the Commonwealth isn't she. The Jubilee is for the whole of the Commonwealth. I expect Canadian singers, Australian singers as well as others from around the Commonwealth. They have to cater for that whole audience...not just the XF/BGT audience...in my view.

Personally, I hope we don't see many XF/BGT performers at all...especially as there is a backlash now against those types of shows. I could cope with say Alex and JLS...but that is it really. It shouldn't turn into a promo for Cowell.
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Old 22-02-2012, 01:01
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Adele was definitely live as she was singing out of tune most of the time

hahahahaha..... bless you deluded little Adele fans!!
I speak as a non-Adele 'fan', as you put it...and I can say, she wasn't out of tune for most of it. At least she was singing LIVE. Credit to her for that.
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Old 22-02-2012, 01:08
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Bjork and Kate Bush did. 50 words for snow and Biophilia. It's hard to draw the line, that's the difficulty. But I don't like the fan voting thing. It undermines the whole show. Music is very broad. But the Brits should have the urban and alternative (ie Bjork and Kate Bush) awards as it means people don't have to seek recognition from NME or MOBO because they aren't represented well. I don't think anything will change though. I couldn't believe they took out the rock and urban categories. The ceremony could be increased by 1 hour to accomodate this.
Thing is, it can't go on for hours and hours can it.

For me, where were the Dance Music categories? It was all singer/songwriters, guitars and angst ridden stuff wasn't it...hence why Rihanna, for me, was a welcome break...regardless of whether she was singing LIVE or not.

Re: 'phone votes...I totally agree. All public phone ins are just popularity contests aren't they.

Perhaps the short lists should be drawn up based on sales...and then the awards decided on from the short lists by specialist panels, panels unconnected to record companies/tv companies.
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Old 22-02-2012, 01:13
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How shit was Adele? How good was Florence? Totally blew Adele out of the water, proving that Adele is highly overrated and florence is massively underrated
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Old 22-02-2012, 01:16
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The Queen is the UK's monarch, but also the Queen to the Commonwealth isn't she. The Jubilee is for the whole of the Commonwealth. I expect Canadian singers, Australian singers as well as others from around the Commonwealth. They have to cater for that whole audience...not just the XF/BGT audience...in my view.

Personally, I hope we don't see many XF/BGT performers at all...especially as there is a backlash now against those types of shows. I could cope with say Alex and JLS...but that is it really. It shouldn't turn into a promo for Cowell.
Cool. But I don't think it would be promo for Cowell. The acts (they did enter his show) but the money they make, he isn't getting any, they both aren't on his label, Alex recently moved to RCA - thank GOD. The commonwealth has decreased in size though, and the Aussies are getting rid of the monarchy. I don't think there will be Canadian singers. We'll see. I'd like lots of different ones along with Leona and Alex. They can sing live, well and have talent (I didn't mean just have them 2 performing of course). I want bands there too. Also, shame award ceremonies can't be longer (I swear the Grammys are 3 hours long) and the categories are vague. And this populartiy nonsense has to stop. To the extent 1D and JLS win over talented (even those who've outsold and outsung them) acts in the single/breakthrough categories.
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Old 22-02-2012, 01:21
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I don't really think there is a difference between live backing vocalists and pre-recorded backing vocals, other than pre-recorded ones blend the voice more and hide some of the bum notes, but even live backing vocalists can have this effect....

Cheryl Cole did a (very rare) live set and her backing vocals (who were live) drowned her out....
The difference is, if it is all totally LIVE and LIVE only, it has more credibility doesn't it. It feels more 'real' and 'genuine'. It means really that singers aren't 'cheating'.

Re: the Cole performance. Certainly the verses were LIVE proper...and I believe the choruses were to. The backing singers were 'loud'. Now either that was done by design, to give the chorus the desired lift, to support a 'weak' vocalist (in my view) or the sound engineer got the levels wrong. I have know idea. You can certainly hear that it is totally LIVE though. LIVE sounds very different to pre-record/miming.
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Old 22-02-2012, 01:29
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxshE43LP7w

Mariah does mime. Her track kept skipping during this performance so she blamed her backing vocalists (even though it wasn't their fault) and she was forced to sing the whole thing live because it messed up
...and you can clearly see it on this occasion. As I say, usually telly performances on telly programs are mimed.

Another example of miming going wrong...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YF6EG4C8Q-A
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Old 22-02-2012, 01:32
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...and you can clearly see it on this occasion. As I say, usually telly performances on telly programs are mimed.

Another example of miming going wrong...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YF6EG4C8Q-A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E9ZwD0r_64

And another Mariah miming fail....I'm not convinced she can actually hit those notes outside of the studio anymore...
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Old 22-02-2012, 01:43
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E9ZwD0r_64

And another Mariah miming fail....I'm not convinced she can actually hit those notes outside of the studio anymore...
Indeed. As I say, most 'tellies' are mimed by singers.

Whether she can or not, for the sake of my ears, I wish she wouldn't bother. Vocal gymnastics is one of my pet hates. I immediately go off a song/singer who overdoses on the 'gymnastics'...all in the pursuit and belief that they are conveying some kind of 'emotion'. The only emotion it brings out in me is a desire to reach for the mute button and some ibuprofen.
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Old 22-02-2012, 08:42
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Best bits -1D winning an award..YAY! How gorgoeus is Louis. Rihanna was fantastic and Kylie looked stunning and os so well poised as usual.
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Old 22-02-2012, 09:38
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Very happy with most of the winners

Not that keen on Ed Sheeran but good on him.
1d winning best single? I didn't need Sally morgan to tell me that. I already guessed that

Very happy with Adele's wins
Happy with Lana

Was a great night. I
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Old 22-02-2012, 11:19
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Sorry if anyone has already mentioned this (I can't see it anywhere in this thread) but what the hell was going on with Plan B when he presented an award?! Was he off his face?

I couldn't believe it when Emeli Sande got the Critcs Choice Award and even though she was there, they spoke to Jessie J? WTF??? It was so akward seeing Emeli on camera for a split second looking like she had no clue what was going on and then it was all about Jessie. Was that to make up for her not winning an award I was disappointed Emeli didn't perform, I thought I had read that she was going to.
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Old 22-02-2012, 11:21
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Yeah, Plan b was drunk. The minute he forgot it was 2012, it was obvious.
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Old 22-02-2012, 11:25
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I wasn't sure if he was or if he was just being a ****
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Old 22-02-2012, 13:22
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any show that hands one directon an award for best single (yes i know its voted by the public) loses any slim chance of credibilty and becomes a mockery. the brits has become a corporate shit festival, bring back the days of brandon block mugging off ronnie wood and liam gallagher abusing everyone.
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Old 22-02-2012, 13:27
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any show that hands one directon an award for best single (yes i know its voted by the public) loses any slim chance of credibilty and becomes a mockery. the brits has become a corporate shit festival, bring back the days of brandon block mugging off ronnie wood and liam gallagher abusing everyone.
I totally agree, was gobsmacked, are they the only x factor finalists to win a Britt, they never even won the show. unreal.
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Old 22-02-2012, 13:33
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I totally agree, was gobsmacked, are they the only x factor finalists to win a Britt, they never even won the show. unreal.
No, JLS are the first to win, they won over Alexandra in 2009/2010. NO idea how And rebecca should've got a best female nomination/best breakthrough. Her sales have been incredible. 400k from early december to mid february off the back of 1 (just peaked at #10) single. (and it was no Bleeding Love either.)
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Old 22-02-2012, 14:25
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The Black Keys better than Foo Fighters for Best International Act.............no doubt about it.........but very unlikely.
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Old 22-02-2012, 14:50
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Sorry if it's already been discussed but George Michael was giving me Delia Smith half time pitch talk vibes when trying to say Mastercard, lol. I know it won't necessarily be champers-induced with George, though.
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Old 22-02-2012, 15:01
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Sorry if anyone has already mentioned this (I can't see it anywhere in this thread) but what the hell was going on with Plan B when he presented an award?! Was he off his face?

I couldn't believe it when Emeli Sande got the Critcs Choice Award and even though she was there, they spoke to Jessie J? WTF??? It was so akward seeing Emeli on camera for a split second looking like she had no clue what was going on and then it was all about Jessie. Was that to make up for her not winning an award I was disappointed Emeli didn't perform, I thought I had read that she was going to.
Did she even go up onto the stage?
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Old 22-02-2012, 15:04
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Did she even go up onto the stage?
Poor girl didn't even get a chance. They spoke to Jessie J instead.
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Old 22-02-2012, 15:11
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How shit was Adele? How good was Florence? Totally blew Adele out of the water, proving that Adele is highly overrated and florence is massively underrated
it wasnt the greatest performance by adele last night but she is recovering from throat surgery, her performance last year was every bit as good as florences last night (which was the performance of the night)
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