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whatever happened to the counter culture?
what a polite world music is these days...
i mean i dunno what to make of it all, everyone is so grateful these days, what happened to eschewing meaningless awards cos you knew they were industry bullshit? is everyone scared they'll get a twitter backlash or something? |
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what a polite world music is these days...
i mean i dunno what to make of it all, everyone is so grateful these days, what happened to eschewing meaningless awards cos you knew they were industry bullshit? is everyone scared they'll get a twitter backlash or something? I'm glad they're polite. Especially since some of the awards were voted for by the public, it's rude to tell the public you don't value their opinions and their time taken to vote for you. I'm pleased artists are greatful for any acclaim they get. |
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I was just thinking the same thing. Everyone involved with the Brits was so boring and inoffensive.
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I was just thinking the same thing. Everyone involved with the Brits was so boring and inoffensive.
There's probably the BRIT awards from the 70's uploaded on Youtube, so go and watch those and reminisce. Culture changes over time. |
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I was just thinking the same thing. Everyone involved with the Brits was so boring and inoffensive.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again: we've all been beaten into submission by a culture of over-sensitivity. We can't say or do anything these days to rock the boat in case someone somewhere might be "offended" (oh, the horror).
So now we just put up and shut up and let everyone walk all over us and we're supposed to just lay there and say thank you while a boot stamps on our faces for ever. |
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Just once I would love the artist who wins Outstanding Contribution to read out a list of all the other acts who have been around for yonks and never been awarded it. Count 'em: Led Zeppelin, Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple...
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Just once I would love the artist who wins Outstanding Contribution to read out a list of all the other acts who have been around for yonks and never been awarded it. Count 'em: Led Zeppelin, Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple...
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what a polite world music is these days...
i mean i dunno what to make of it all, everyone is so grateful these days, what happened to eschewing meaningless awards cos you knew they were industry bullshit? is everyone scared they'll get a twitter backlash or something? Totally agree. If that awards show tonight was the showcase of the best this country has to offer musically,then i want to know what the hell has gone wrong over the last 15 to 20 years. Kurt Cobain was right. "Its better to burn out than to fade away" Watching a has been like Noel Gallagher strum his way around the same 4 chord's he's been using since 1995 was painful. Blur's set was completely dire.They never were a particularly good live band even at their peak,but at least they could get away with it 15 years ago. Coldplay running through another mum and dad's fave. ZZZZZ. And thats before we get to the likes of Adele. |
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what a polite world music is these days...
i mean i dunno what to make of it all, everyone is so grateful these days, what happened to eschewing meaningless awards cos you knew they were industry bullshit? is everyone scared they'll get a twitter backlash or something? |
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Kurt Cobain was right. "Its better to burn out than to fade away" Watching a has been like Noel Gallagher strum his way around the same 4 chord's he's been using since 1995 was painful. Coldplay running through another mum and dad's fave. ZZZZZ. . |
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what a polite world music is these days...
i mean i dunno what to make of it all, everyone is so grateful these days, what happened to eschewing meaningless awards cos you knew they were industry bullshit? is everyone scared they'll get a twitter backlash or something? I thought things might have changed when Arcade Fire won the double last year, (I'm a big fan, and I even I was shocked) But it seems its business as usual this year with 1D getting an award. It may be industry bullshit, but you can't complain, come on its the brits, it would be like moaning a zebra has stripes. |
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If the albums are still selling and people are interested then why stop?.
So you'd be quite happy for a bland 'mum,dad,and even Gran loves us' band like Coldplay to churn out garbage year,after year,after year? You would seriously happily go out and buy watered down crap by bands that havnt got the courage to admit that they are over the hill? Bands are at their best when they are hungry,and when they have something to say. That's what i think anyway. I want to see a band come along that smashes the whole thing to pieces..and inspires kids to hate X-Factor.To inspire people out of this 'safe mode' that music has been chugging along on for the last 10 years. |
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So you'd be quite happy for a bland 'mum,dad,and even Gran loves us' band like Coldplay to churn out garbage year,after year,after year?
You would seriously happily go out and buy watered down crap by bands that havnt got the courage to admit that they are over the hill? Bands are at their best when they are hungry,and when they have something to say. That's what i think anyway. I want to see a band come along that smashes the whole thing to pieces..and inspires kids to hate X-Factor.To inspire people out of this 'safe mode' that music has been chugging along on for the last 10 years. I hope to hell theres a backlash bubbling away somewhere waiting to explode..... This sort of banal shite generally leads to backlashes, so Im optimistic... |
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'Beige' IS the new counter culture
![]() To be honest MORish music has always dominated chart music.Even during the Punk & Grunge era's. The main thing that that is different these days is that chart music dominates the music media for various reasons.The music landscape has drastically changed.Fewer Major labels who have a tighter grip & gone more commercial, the internet giving us too many choices (hard for success to be achieved from the underground GENUINELY) etc. etc. |
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So you'd be quite happy for a bland 'mum,dad,and even Gran loves us' band like Coldplay to churn out garbage year,after year,after year?
You would seriously happily go out and buy watered down crap by bands that havnt got the courage to admit that they are over the hill? Bands are at their best when they are hungry,and when they have something to say. That's what i think anyway. I want to see a band come along that smashes the whole thing to pieces..and inspires kids to hate X-Factor.To inspire people out of this 'safe mode' that music has been chugging along on for the last 10 years. I don't see the problem really, it's not as if there was ever a time when the charts (and award nominations) weren't full of the type of acts you see at the Brits now - those that mostly appeal to mainstream tastes. |
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This.
I hope to hell theres a backlash bubbling away somewhere waiting to explode..... This sort of banal shite generally leads to backlashes, so Im optimistic... |
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Those type of artists still exist, they just don't get nominated for Brits,.
Back in the early 1990's,the corporate suits at MTV were forced to change their entire output because a counter culture had emerged that was too strong to ignore anymore. The bores at the Brit awards were begging for bands like Nirvana,Pearl Jam,and Smashing Pumpkins to appear on their annual snore fest awards ceremonies (that had been drained by dinosaurs for the last 16 years.) Same thing is needed now. Part of the reason Adele is so successful is because people's expectations of talent have fallen so low. |
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So you'd be quite happy for a bland 'mum,dad,and even Gran loves us' band like Coldplay to churn out garbage year,after year,after year?
You would seriously happily go out and buy watered down crap by bands that havnt got the courage to admit that they are over the hill? Bands are at their best when they are hungry,and when they have something to say. That's what i think anyway. I want to see a band come along that smashes the whole thing to pieces..and inspires kids to hate X-Factor.To inspire people out of this 'safe mode' that music has been chugging along on for the last 10 years. |
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The thing is the brits have always given awards to mainstream acts, they aren't going to complain about industry bullshit when they are industry bullshit.
I thought things might have changed when Arcade Fire won the double last year, (I'm a big fan, and I even I was shocked) But it seems its business as usual this year with 1D getting an award. It may be industry bullshit, but you can't complain, come on its the brits, it would be like moaning a zebra has stripes. Their fans took the time to vote for them, so of course One Direction would be greatful for that. If the acted "well hard" and "oh so rebellious" like those rock bands you used to like, they'd be insulting their fans, not the BRIT awards. |
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I've said it before and I'll say it again: we've all been beaten into submission by a culture of over-sensitivity. We can't say or do anything these days to rock the boat in case someone somewhere might be "offended" (oh, the horror).
So now we just put up and shut up and let everyone walk all over us and we're supposed to just lay there and say thank you while a boot stamps on our faces for ever.
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Part of the reason Adele is so successful is because people's expectations of talent have fallen so low.
And after her "performance" last night, her obnoxiousness was there for all to see. |
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This is exactly why I cannot get into Adele. I find her bland, boring and her music sends me to sleep every time I hear it. It's the kind of music mums get into because she's the same size as they are and doesn't make apologies for it.
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This is exactly why I cannot get into Adele. I find her bland, boring and her music sends me to sleep every time I hear it. It's the kind of music mums get into because she's the same size as they are and doesn't make apologies for it.
as for my opening post about over-politeness, i take it back...i spoke too soon
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I remember Siouxsie Sioux coming onstage to collect her "Lifetime Achievement" award from Chris Evans afew years ago, (That in itself was a headf*ck!).
I was really happy for her (and The Banshees in a way)to finally be recognised for their contributition to music, but, sandwiched between acts & Evans doofus mentality, it was too little too late. No wonder she did what every real star should do - treat it like the joke it is and got totally pissed before her slurred speech. Whats so hilarious, are artists that thank not just Mum & their manager, but the whole media circus that got them there. Im sure they'll be thanking Macdonalds,Tescos & their financial advisors next.:sleep::sleep::sleep::yawn::yawn: |
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