As well as singing terribly, he sounded like he was singing too fast. Where are the Muppets when you need them?
Ollie Murs was such an amateur at the Brits
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Originally Posted by miles19740:
“I just disagree with the whole premise of the Cowell shows. It promotes a rapid rise to fame - supported and backed up by very little else - for very little 'real' work in return, in my view. It gives false hope to those taking part and provides a bad model (money for very little/no work) for the many children who watches his shows, which in my opinion, is a negative.
The 'Ollie episode' last night proves that the process is flawed. Years of hard graft and training can never be replaced by instant fame, in my view.
The only winner of the Cowell shows is Cowell himself.”
“I just disagree with the whole premise of the Cowell shows. It promotes a rapid rise to fame - supported and backed up by very little else - for very little 'real' work in return, in my view. It gives false hope to those taking part and provides a bad model (money for very little/no work) for the many children who watches his shows, which in my opinion, is a negative.
The 'Ollie episode' last night proves that the process is flawed. Years of hard graft and training can never be replaced by instant fame, in my view.
The only winner of the Cowell shows is Cowell himself.”
I disagree. There are plenty who have the ability and talent to survive (and no one nowadays has a hard graft approach, its all about contacts - besides songwriters you have to strike lady luck) but Cowell likes crap. Its not the show as such, because in it in the past, there was a lot of talent. But after 2008 (the best series for talent IMO) it became all about style. It doesn't prove a bad model, if you have sense, you'll draw the positives out of the experience (as I did as a child), plus the workings of 'the game' of life. The process isn't the issue, it's the public. If you have a brain (see Misha B) then the process can work for you, but as we saw, the fact that no talenters are put into the lives, the talent (ie Misha B) is taken out early over mediocre acts.
And so the public become conditioned into wanting to see the same crap again and again, and then complain the winners never go anywhere. IMO its all about values. I love the good singers and those with edges (in style and performance style, but can still sing well) who have a shot at longevity in the industry. Often my faves don't get to the end at all because lesser acts who are 'prettier' win.
His success baffles me the most out of anybody from X Factor. Ever. Even Jedward.
He is such a bland, dull vocalist with a very limited range. The "cheeky chappie" persona just oozes desperation (summed up for me in his promise to do a nude photo shoot if his terrible single got to number one). And why would anybody want to see him nude? He is average looking at best, bordering on slimy.
The music is appalling, bland, repetitive shite. And he is just so bloody smug that I find myself screaming at the TV.
Wand Erection are just as dire but they are very cleverly marketed at the pre-teens and I can see the appeal there. But Oily Murs? I even know some adults who like him. They can't explain why though. Beyond baffling.
He is such a bland, dull vocalist with a very limited range. The "cheeky chappie" persona just oozes desperation (summed up for me in his promise to do a nude photo shoot if his terrible single got to number one). And why would anybody want to see him nude? He is average looking at best, bordering on slimy.
The music is appalling, bland, repetitive shite. And he is just so bloody smug that I find myself screaming at the TV.
Wand Erection are just as dire but they are very cleverly marketed at the pre-teens and I can see the appeal there. But Oily Murs? I even know some adults who like him. They can't explain why though. Beyond baffling.
Originally Posted by iseloid:
“I disagree. There are plenty who have the ability and talent to survive (and no one nowadays has a hard graft approach, its all about contacts - besides songwriters you have to strike lady luck) but Cowell likes crap. Its not the show as such, because in it in the past, there was a lot of talent. But after 2008 (the best series for talent IMO) it became all about style. It doesn't prove a bad model, if you have sense, you'll draw the positives out of the experience (as I did as a child), plus the workings of 'the game' of life. The process isn't the issue, it's the public. If you have a brain (see Misha B) then the process can work for you, but as we saw, the fact that no talenters are put into the lives, the talent (ie Misha B) is taken out early over mediocre acts.
And so the public become conditioned into wanting to see the same crap again and again, and then complain the winners never go anywhere. IMO its all about values. I love the good singers and those with edges (in style and performance style, but can still sing well) who have a shot at longevity in the industry. Often my faves don't get to the end at all because lesser acts who are 'prettier' win.”
“I disagree. There are plenty who have the ability and talent to survive (and no one nowadays has a hard graft approach, its all about contacts - besides songwriters you have to strike lady luck) but Cowell likes crap. Its not the show as such, because in it in the past, there was a lot of talent. But after 2008 (the best series for talent IMO) it became all about style. It doesn't prove a bad model, if you have sense, you'll draw the positives out of the experience (as I did as a child), plus the workings of 'the game' of life. The process isn't the issue, it's the public. If you have a brain (see Misha B) then the process can work for you, but as we saw, the fact that no talenters are put into the lives, the talent (ie Misha B) is taken out early over mediocre acts.
And so the public become conditioned into wanting to see the same crap again and again, and then complain the winners never go anywhere. IMO its all about values. I love the good singers and those with edges (in style and performance style, but can still sing well) who have a shot at longevity in the industry. Often my faves don't get to the end at all because lesser acts who are 'prettier' win.”
1. BIB...and that is the most serious thing which Cowell potentially promotes. I believe it is detrimental to society.
2. Cowell totally exploits all who travel along the X Factor conveyor belt. He will use the latest performers to see him through until the next cohort arrives. His only interest is making money out of them. Once they stop making money for him, he loses interested.
3. The X Factor has never been about talent. It has always been about selling a product and making money. Image and style has always come first...content, substance and talent a very distant poor second.
4. What is also worrying is that people who watch these shows take it so seriously...as though it is life or death. They think it is all real. It is totally vacuous.
Genuine bands, singers and artists who spend years learning their trade and building an audience will always last longer than the 'instant famers' because their success is built on 'real' talent, supported by a loyal fan-base with solid foundations.
I like All Night Long, Moves Like Jagger, She Makes Me Wanna, Hit The Lights, My Heart Skips A Beat, All About Tonight and Party Rock. Do I like / interested in the singers responsible? No. The songs themselves could actually be sung by anybody for all I care.
All of the above is strictly my opinion of course.
Originally Posted by Heavenly:
“The whole show is a shambles.”
“The whole show is a shambles.”
Indeed it was...and don't even get me started on ITV's attempts at tributes. While I wasn't a massive Whitney fan (I like 'I Wanna Dance With Somebody' and 'One Moment In Time') she deserved more than she got, in my view.
Originally Posted by harveybest:
“Well he has the X Factor.
How the xxxx did he make it.”
“Well he has the X Factor.
How the xxxx did he make it.”
Because he has xxx appeal simple as. It's how most make it these days.
Originally Posted by miles19740:
“1. BIB...and that is the most serious thing which Cowell potentially promotes. I believe it is detrimental to society.
2. Cowell totally exploits all who travel along the X Factor conveyor belt. He will use the latest performers to see him through until the next cohort arrives. His only interest is making money out of them. Once they stop making money for him, he loses interested.
3. The X Factor has never been about talent. It has always been about selling a product and making money. Image and style has always come first...content, substance and talent a very distant poor second.
4. What is also worrying is that people who watch these shows take it so seriously...as though it is life or death. They think it is all real. It is totally vacuous.
Genuine bands, singers and artists who spend years learning their trade and building an audience will always last longer than the 'instant famers' because their success is built on 'real' talent, supported by a loyal fan-base with solid foundations.
I like All Night Long, Moves Like Jagger, She Makes Me Wanna, Hit The Lights, My Heart Skips A Beat, All About Tonight and Party Rock. Do I like / interested in the singers responsible? No. The songs themselves could actually be sung by anybody for all I care.
All of the above is strictly my opinion of course.”
“1. BIB...and that is the most serious thing which Cowell potentially promotes. I believe it is detrimental to society.
2. Cowell totally exploits all who travel along the X Factor conveyor belt. He will use the latest performers to see him through until the next cohort arrives. His only interest is making money out of them. Once they stop making money for him, he loses interested.
3. The X Factor has never been about talent. It has always been about selling a product and making money. Image and style has always come first...content, substance and talent a very distant poor second.
4. What is also worrying is that people who watch these shows take it so seriously...as though it is life or death. They think it is all real. It is totally vacuous.
Genuine bands, singers and artists who spend years learning their trade and building an audience will always last longer than the 'instant famers' because their success is built on 'real' talent, supported by a loyal fan-base with solid foundations.
I like All Night Long, Moves Like Jagger, She Makes Me Wanna, Hit The Lights, My Heart Skips A Beat, All About Tonight and Party Rock. Do I like / interested in the singers responsible? No. The songs themselves could actually be sung by anybody for all I care.
All of the above is strictly my opinion of course.”
However with Maroon 5 , they are talented though, and its good they got some success with MLJ. Of course the songs could be sung by anyone, the same goes for nearly all songs ever created from Bleeding Love to I'll Be There. It depends on who is an instant famer. If you have the talent, material and drive you can last (Kelly Clarkson). Its not all about fame IMO.
True talent will survive (in most cases, good promo and a good label helps). In the case of point one, its not really his fault. The industry has always been that way, some have to wait and some get in easily. I like the talented ones, and vote for the really really talented ones (rarely, I only do it if I reckon they have a shot and I'd buy their material, I've only voted for 3 contestants in the shows history). Point 2, yes he does exploit them.
Even those who make him a lot of money (Alexandra as an example) are released because he can't control them - she wanted more control and probably a bigger budget - her talent merited it. Thing is he could easily have a good label and a good show every year, and select really good acts, all he needs to do (now I don't care anymore, syco can crash and burn for all I care) is have a sense of artistic development. Problem solved, he should show them how to write songs, he saves money and gains credibility in the process (ie Rebecca Feguson).
The XF was initally about talent and making money too. You can't really have one without the other. But you should never promote the latter over the former so that last night occurs (Olly) - I can't believe he still has a career
Image and style didn't always come first, that started around 2008. Look at 2006 when Leona won (staging, wardrobe) compared to 2011. Massive difference, and the acts have ridiculous schedules to accommodate being in makeup for hours on end (Lord knows how long it takes to put a wig on and some clothes, 20mins tops 
). People take it seriously due to the audience participation factor. And when crap is in the show, its a case of promotion of mediocrity when greatness is absent. And people should take it seriously, because this is a waste of money. Seriously it could actually go to finding good acts (Leona, Alex, Rebecca F, Misha B) who can sing, have talent and credibility. But Simon doesn't do that. And that annoys me, its easier to have good acts who know who they want to be as artists and business people (Beyonce, Gaga, Prince, MJ) than those who don't have a clue (Shayne ward, Joe McElderry, Steve Brookstein...effectively all the males so far).
i dont think the peformance was great and i definitely think he shouldve done dance with me tonight, however Im unsure why some of the acts last night were asked to perform. Olly is one of the biggest stars out there at the minute, his album went double platinum 5 weeks after release. I think he is one of the better male artists there is. what baffles me is why did ed sheeran get to appear let alone win two awards?! i wouldnt say he was that 'big' will young has always been over looked by the brits, which is a HUGE shame as he has always been great.
Originally Posted by Mark-Anthony:
“i dont think the peformance was great and i definitely think he shouldve done dance with me tonight, however Im unsure why some of the acts last night were asked to perform. Olly is one of the biggest stars out there at the minute, his album went double platinum 5 weeks after release. I think he is one of the better male artists there is. what baffles me is why did ed sheeran get to appear let alone win two awards?! i wouldnt say he was that 'big' will young has always been over looked by the brits, which is a HUGE shame as he has always been great.”
“i dont think the peformance was great and i definitely think he shouldve done dance with me tonight, however Im unsure why some of the acts last night were asked to perform. Olly is one of the biggest stars out there at the minute, his album went double platinum 5 weeks after release. I think he is one of the better male artists there is. what baffles me is why did ed sheeran get to appear let alone win two awards?! i wouldnt say he was that 'big' will young has always been over looked by the brits, which is a HUGE shame as he has always been great.”
Because he worked hard, writes his own material, didn't go to brit school, can sing and seems like a nice guy. quite deserving. Olly is one of the worse acts out there. We don't have many males out there, but the fact that Olly can sing, is a big flaw in his act. It went 2X platinum due to his XF gig and constant promo, simply being there raises his profile, notice that Cowell said to him: 'you're doing it'. He had no choice and was too much of a woos to say no. Cowell knows that Olly's talent alone doesn't stack up. So far he's had the same as his debut. 2 big singles and 600k of albums sold. Its single 3 that is the big one, as on his debut it was barely a top 20 and the next one missed the top 40. The hype and appeal quickly wore off, leading me to think he has a relatively average fan base of around 1m fans in total.
Originally Posted by iseloid:
“Because he worked hard, writes his own material, didn't go to brit school, can sing and seems like a nice guy. quite deserving. Olly is one of the worse acts out there. We don't have many males out there, but the fact that Olly can sing, is a big flaw in his act. It went 2X platinum due to his XF gig and constant promo, simply being there raises his profile, notice that Cowell said to him: 'you're doing it'. He had no choice and was too much of a woos to say no. Cowell knows that Olly's talent alone doesn't stack up. So far he's had the same as his debut. 2 big singles and 600k of albums sold. Its single 3 that is the big one, as on his debut it was barely a top 20 and the next one missed the top 40. The hype and appeal quickly wore off, leading me to think he has a relatively average fan base of around 1m fans in total.”
“Because he worked hard, writes his own material, didn't go to brit school, can sing and seems like a nice guy. quite deserving. Olly is one of the worse acts out there. We don't have many males out there, but the fact that Olly can sing, is a big flaw in his act. It went 2X platinum due to his XF gig and constant promo, simply being there raises his profile, notice that Cowell said to him: 'you're doing it'. He had no choice and was too much of a woos to say no. Cowell knows that Olly's talent alone doesn't stack up. So far he's had the same as his debut. 2 big singles and 600k of albums sold. Its single 3 that is the big one, as on his debut it was barely a top 20 and the next one missed the top 40. The hype and appeal quickly wore off, leading me to think he has a relatively average fan base of around 1m fans in total.”
i'd like one million fans lol! and though his two singles from the debut werent huge singles there wasnt much promotion for them. still two double platinum albums is amazing. and before people say its the xfactor effect, Olly was only on the Xtra Factor, even the Cole couldnt get her 2nd album to double platinum when she was on the xfactor main show and was the countrys sweetheart at the time. he should be given more credit. If this was america he would be bigged up. everybody in the UK is so pessimistic, they dont like to see anybody doing well. just because his last two singles from his debut didnt do huge amounts he shouldnt have been allowed to perform on the brits? rubbish!
I'm not really fussed over Olly either way, but what I DO object to, is having him thrown in my face all the time on TV. He's on everything:yawn:
He's like a children's television presenter who they let on stage to have a go.
A bit like a Butlins Redcoat holiday camp entertainer who's filling in for someone else at the last minute.
A bit like a Butlins Redcoat holiday camp entertainer who's filling in for someone else at the last minute.
Originally Posted by iseloid:
“Because he worked hard, writes his own material, didn't go to brit school, can sing and seems like a nice guy. quite deserving. Olly is one of the worse acts out there. We don't have many males out there, but the fact that Olly can sing, is a big flaw in his act. It went 2X platinum due to his XF gig and constant promo, simply being there raises his profile, notice that Cowell said to him: 'you're doing it'. He had no choice and was too much of a woos to say no. Cowell knows that Olly's talent alone doesn't stack up. So far he's had the same as his debut. 2 big singles and 600k of albums sold. Its single 3 that is the big one, as on his debut it was barely a top 20 and the next one missed the top 40. The hype and appeal quickly wore off, leading me to think he has a relatively average fan base of around 1m fans in total.”
“Because he worked hard, writes his own material, didn't go to brit school, can sing and seems like a nice guy. quite deserving. Olly is one of the worse acts out there. We don't have many males out there, but the fact that Olly can sing, is a big flaw in his act. It went 2X platinum due to his XF gig and constant promo, simply being there raises his profile, notice that Cowell said to him: 'you're doing it'. He had no choice and was too much of a woos to say no. Cowell knows that Olly's talent alone doesn't stack up. So far he's had the same as his debut. 2 big singles and 600k of albums sold. Its single 3 that is the big one, as on his debut it was barely a top 20 and the next one missed the top 40. The hype and appeal quickly wore off, leading me to think he has a relatively average fan base of around 1m fans in total.”
Listen, none of the record companies (including Cowell) care who they use (it could be one man and his dog quite honestly) to make them money. All the time they are making money for them...fine. The minute they aren't, it is bye-bye.
BIB proves my point. The faster you rise, the faster you fall, because what that initial fame is built on is nothing of substance. It is all hot air and hype...hence why the vast majority of reality tv talent show 'singers' disappear relatively quickly...without trace...never to be heard of again. Will the likes of Ollie, Little Mix, Alex and Leona still be around in a year's time, five years time, ten years time? I very much doubt it quite honestly. As for all the make-up talk, dance routines, costumes or whatever...none of that matters. All that matters is...can this person hold a tune unaided?
It really does worry me that you take Cowell's shows so seriously. I hope he cares about you as much as you do about him.
As for that Ed chap...nothing special at all. Awful singer, awful songs...in my opinion.
Anyway, we are all entitled to our opinions aren't we. I have stated mine. I will never have any time for Cowell's shows at all.
Originally Posted by Mark-Anthony:
“i'd like one million fans lol! and though his two singles from the debut werent huge singles there wasnt much promotion for them. still two double platinum albums is amazing. and before people say its the xfactor effect, Olly was only on the Xtra Factor, even the Cole couldnt get her 2nd album to double platinum when she was on the xfactor main show and was the countrys sweetheart at the time. he should be given more credit. If this was america he would be bigged up. everybody in the UK is so pessimistic, they dont like to see anybody doing well. just because his last two singles from his debut didnt do huge amounts he shouldnt have been allowed to perform on the brits? rubbish!”
“i'd like one million fans lol! and though his two singles from the debut werent huge singles there wasnt much promotion for them. still two double platinum albums is amazing. and before people say its the xfactor effect, Olly was only on the Xtra Factor, even the Cole couldnt get her 2nd album to double platinum when she was on the xfactor main show and was the countrys sweetheart at the time. he should be given more credit. If this was america he would be bigged up. everybody in the UK is so pessimistic, they dont like to see anybody doing well. just because his last two singles from his debut didnt do huge amounts he shouldnt have been allowed to perform on the brits? rubbish!”
What people don't like is unoriginal 'singers' being fast-tracked into the industry just to make a quick, instant buck for record companies...in my opinion. The 'singers' and the audience, in my view, are manipulated every time...sadly. Thankfully, the GBP is gradually waking up to it all.
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“He's like a children's television presenter who they let on stage to have a go.
A bit like a Butlins Redcoat holiday camp entertainer who's filling in for someone else at the last minute.”
“He's like a children's television presenter who they let on stage to have a go.
A bit like a Butlins Redcoat holiday camp entertainer who's filling in for someone else at the last minute.”
A bit like Sam and Mark. Remember them? Were they from the X Factor factory, I can't remember. Where are they now?
Originally Posted by miles19740:
“A bit like Sam and Mark. Remember them? Were they from the X Factor factory, I can't remember. Where are they now?”
“A bit like Sam and Mark. Remember them? Were they from the X Factor factory, I can't remember. Where are they now?”
They ARE children's entertainers
They are really suited to the job, and are currently on the Dancing on Ice programme.Lovely personalities, but couldn't sing for toffees
Yes, it does sound familiar
Olly Murs put in a very lacklustre performance last night- starting out-of-key and not really improving as the track went on. His amateurishness made Rizzle Kicks look like Jay-Z and Kanye.
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