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Heart and the Continuing Hacking of Songs (merged)
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Station ID
22-02-2012
Originally Posted by Mikes Mike:
“I've heard that version on most ILR stations in the UK... would seem to be the common place radio version.”

No you may have heard uk stations taking the vocal off the start themselves but I doubt that they're playing that version. I've worked in radio since the mid 90's and until today I didn't even know there was an alternate version. Every single station i've ever worked for plays the proper version with the vocal at the start. I will confess that for "jocking" purposes when I was much earlier in my career and didn't know any better I did take the vocal off the start myself.
Mikes Mike
22-02-2012
Originally Posted by Station ID:
“No you may have heard uk stations taking the vocal off the start themselves but I doubt that they're playing that version. I've worked in radio since the mid 90's and until today I didn't even know there was an alternate version. Every single station i've ever worked for plays the proper version with the vocal at the start. I will confess that for "jocking" purposes when I was much earlier in my career and didn't know any better I did take the vocal off the start myself.”

OK but it still doesn't explain the other tracks which fade at silly intervals.
Mikes Mike
22-02-2012
Originally Posted by Station ID:
“No you may have heard uk stations taking the vocal off the start themselves but I doubt that they're playing that version. I've worked in radio since the mid 90's and until today I didn't even know there was an alternate version. Every single station i've ever worked for plays the proper version with the vocal at the start. I will confess that for "jocking" purposes when I was much earlier in my career and didn't know any better I did take the vocal off the start myself.”

Well then surely it makes sense to play this version, which has a natural and correct fade. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsdj9...eature=related
Bundyman
22-02-2012
Originally Posted by SmartProgrammer:
“That isn't the correct radio version. That was an alternative version sent out to stations in the US to feature their own local presenter talk in the middle.”

Correct

The idea of the dry version was that US stations could put their own air talent in the gap talking about a local landmark or whatever rather than using the one that mentions the city by the bay.

The correct UK released version starts with the accapella "We built this city" bit, has the DJ talking about bumper to bumper traffic in the middle & fades out. It is as Smart Programmer says about 4.46 in total length.
Bundyman
22-02-2012
The one i really hate & it's a radio edit version is Nickelback- Rockstar.

It has so many drop outs to take out what are mostly inoffensive words, it's not worth playing it. It just makes the song annoying.
Station ID
22-02-2012
Originally Posted by Mikes Mike:
“Well then surely it makes sense to play this version, which has a natural and correct fade. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsdj9...eature=related”

Which is the 4.46 version. If you take out the silence at the start and the end you've just linked to the correct one.
chrismjc
22-02-2012
My favourite is the current track from Pitbull ft. Ne-Yo, Afrojack and Nayer with "Give me Everything". Most radio stations are abbreviating that to just "Pitbull ft. Ne-Yo" or sometimes even "Pitbull", but seeing as it's his song and the other 3 are 'ft's then it's no big crime.

Heart is calling it "Give Me Everything" by Ne-Yo, mainly because they've completely removed any vocals from Pitbull and left a weird very repetitive (and short!) version of the song with only Ne-Yo and Nayer's sections left.
dduk
23-02-2012
Has anyone ever heard Absolute 80s play Culture Club - Do You Really Want To Hurt Me? They always completely cut off the slow singing at the beginning and start it from the first beat of the uptempo part. That really annoys me, as it's like maybe a good minute of the song that is cut off.
Ultra Magnus
23-02-2012
Originally Posted by Bundyman:
“The one i really hate & it's a radio edit version is Nickelback- Rockstar.

It has so many drop outs to take out what are mostly inoffensive words, it's not worth playing it. It just makes the song annoying.”

For me, the perfect radio edit of Rockstar ends at 0"00".
James Martin 2
23-02-2012
I have to agree that the Heart edit of Black Eyed Peas - Where Is The Love is so poor, I have to question why they even bother playing it if the official radio edit is supposedly unsuitable.

Nothing wrong with cropping intros. I'm a big fan of "taking it from the drums" off the back of an ID. Most famous case in point being Michael Jackson - Don't Stop 'Till You Get Enough. Take it from the scream 12" in every time.
-ajm-
23-02-2012
I'm still not sure why "I gotta feeling" is the way it is. I'm sure it's the same length and it's only London* that has it.

*I haven't really listened to any other regions other than Solent
darkknight77
23-02-2012
Originally Posted by Mikes Mike:
“Well then surely it makes sense to play this version, which has a natural and correct fade. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsdj9...eature=related”

Without the DJ talk?! No way, that's the best bit of the song.
darkknight77
23-02-2012
Originally Posted by chrismjc:
“Heart is calling it "Give Me Everything" by Ne-Yo, mainly because they've completely removed any vocals from Pitbull and left a weird very repetitive (and short!) version of the song with only Ne-Yo and Nayer's sections left.”

I heard that before xmas,are they still playing it? Dreadful! They removed the chorus/main hook of the song (the "excuse me, I'm gonna drink a little more than I should" bit), Ne-Yo just sings the verses really, hence it it's PITBULL featuring Neyo. .
James Martin 2
23-02-2012
Originally Posted by -ajm-:
“I'm still not sure why "I gotta feeling" is the way it is. I'm sure it's the same length and it's only London* that has it.

*I haven't really listened to any other regions other than Solent”

I'm pretty sure Gem 106 still play that version, simply because that's the version on their system from the Heart days.
Richard O'Hagan
23-02-2012
It does sound pretty illogical to routinely shorten songs (except the odd over-long intro).

Why bring forward a junction? It's the most likely place to lose people.

If a listener were going to zap a song she didn't like, she'd do so as soon as it came on, not sit through 3 minutes of it first.
darkisland
23-02-2012
Originally Posted by Mikes Mike:
“Likewise if a song has a stupidly long into like Livin on a Prayer, Like a Prayer, the River of Dreams, Echo Beach etc have, that seem to take ages to build up to the first 'bar'.”

Yeah. How dare those creative types - musicians, composers and producers waste time by not constructing their songs in a way most suitable for bland lowest common denominator shite radio like Heart / Capital etc.

It's almost as if they don't care !
James Martin 2
23-02-2012
It's about being radio-friendly mate.
Mikes Mike
23-02-2012
Originally Posted by James Martin 2:
“It's about being radio-friendly mate.”

What, cutting songs pre 2000/1990s short and fading them at a silly point so people get fed up - yes, deifinitely going to do your hours the world of good! (Most) other stations can manage to play an hour's worth of songs without fading them at a stupidly early time before the natural fade.

In fact looking at a local ILR and Heart, during daytimes they have the same amount of songs as Heart during a typical hour with the same amount of speech - but the local ILR doesn't cut the songs off.

Its not as if Heart have a massive library of music, that it would take someone months to adjust all the segue markers is it?

Edit, I notice Heart just played George Michael's Fastlove and it still had the lyrics 'All thart bullsh*t conversation' in it - surprised that didn't get taken out.
James Martin 2
23-02-2012
Talking of edits, just heard a brilliant one on Heat Radio of Bruno Mars' "Billionaire."

It loops the word "so" twice, so it goes #I wanna be a billionaire, so, so bad...#. Nice.
darkknight77
23-02-2012
Originally Posted by James Martin 2:
“Talking of edits, just heard a brilliant one on Heat Radio of Bruno Mars' "Billionaire."

It loops the word "so" twice, so it goes #I wanna be a billionaire, so, so bad...#. Nice.”

I think it's just a second edit offered by the label, weird the word "freakin" is considered offensive though?
Mikes Mike
26-02-2012
So I happened to have Heart on the other day and We Bult This City by Starship came on again, to be faded even earlier than before, on the final main verse before the outro of the song... it sounded terrible!

I suppose what really took the biscuit was the fact that slighly earlier they played the world's longest song, Tainted Love by Soft Cell... and baring in mind this song is little more than about 2 and a half minutes long, it was also faded stupidly early.

Learn, ever, Heart, are, they?
MTUK1
26-02-2012
The worst hacking of a song was when Capital edited J Lo's On The
Floor. I have never heard such a hatchet job. They completely changed the flow of the song. The second verse came before the first and other assorted bits. The record label should make it so if they play a song it's the full version. Providing its not 10 minutes long.
radiodad
26-02-2012
Some of Heart's edits are appauiling but they make up for it with some brilliant edits they have, the worst group for edits i think is UTV. Some songs they butcher so badly, B.O.B Ft Hayley Williams - Airplanes is one that springs to mind.
anoradio
26-02-2012
If you think Heart is bad, try listening to Gem106 for awful edits, or Eddie Shaw on Lincs FM! I remember he started a Madness song just before the news, got to the end of the first chorus and then chopped it. The other week, he faded down a dance track from the 90s, only to pull the fader back up and the track still be playing - fail!
James Martin 2
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by anoradio:
“If you think Heart is bad, try listening to Gem106 for awful edits, or Eddie Shaw on Lincs FM! I remember he started a Madness song just before the news, got to the end of the first chorus and then chopped it. The other week, he faded down a dance track from the 90s, only to pull the fader back up and the track still be playing - fail!”

Gem 106 will have inherited Heart's edits. As for Lincs, despite their very poor technical standards it's about the only group I've ever worked for that's always had ALL the proper radio edits of songs (rather than album versions.) Even Heart were playing the album version of Greatest Love Of All after Whitney Houston's death.
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