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Old 24-02-2012, 13:53
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So for years, these 3 have been the 'vocal trinity'. The 3 females most regarded as the best in the business.

Whitney's passing has seen alot of people call her 'the greatest female singer ever'. Where do Mariah and Celine fit in, in terms of success and popularity.

In terms of sales, Celine is the leader with Mariah second, then Whitney last. Hardly a surprise when Whitney released the fewest albums. In terms of popularity, Whitney was probably the top.

What do you think?
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Old 24-02-2012, 13:57
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So for years, these 3 have been the 'vocal trinity'. The 3 females most regarded as the best in the business.

Whitney's passing has seen alot of people call her 'the greatest female singer ever'. Where do Mariah and Celine fit in, in terms of success and popularity.

In terms of sales, Celine is the leader with Mariah second, then Whitney last. Hardly a surprise when Whitney released the fewest albums. In terms of popularity, Whitney was probably the top.

What do you think?
Well their material is even more bland than Whitney's was and that is saying something.
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Old 24-02-2012, 14:00
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Well their material is even more bland than Whitney's was and that is saying something.
Agreed.
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Old 24-02-2012, 14:24
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Whitney was/is 'the voice' she'll always be the inspiration of the talent show rejects etc etc

Celine Dion is only really widely known here for the Titanic song, so no.

Mariah is only really iconic because of Hero.
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Old 24-02-2012, 14:33
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I think female artists like Debbie Harry, Joan Jett, Stevie Nicks, Patty Smith, Madonna etc. are far more important/iconic than any of the women mentioned in this thread and have influenced far more artists over the years... They all have distinctive, mostly strong and unique voices that aren't just screaming and hitting stupid notes.

I would never label Mariah or Celine as "the best in the business", Whitney maybe but not the best. I guess there's no way of actually knowing though because it's all down to personal opinion.
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Old 24-02-2012, 14:38
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Whitney was/is 'the voice' she'll always be the inspiration of the talent show rejects etc etc

Celine Dion is only really widely known here for the Titanic song, so no.

Mariah is only really iconic because of Hero.

Mariah doesnt even like Hero that much!
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Old 24-02-2012, 14:57
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I think female artists like Debbie Harry, Joan Jett, Stevie Nicks, Patty Smith, Madonna etc. are far more important/iconic than any of the women mentioned in this thread and have influenced far more artists over the years... They all have distinctive, mostly strong and unique voices that aren't just screaming and hitting stupid notes.

I would never label Mariah or Celine as "the best in the business", Whitney maybe but not the best. I guess there's no way of actually knowing though because it's all down to personal opinion.
I would agree with the sentiment of this post. I think too many people laud singers like this as influential, ones that can belt notes out. Their influence in my opinion, creates artists like Leona Lewis, who are devoid of any personality at all. I don't see any creativity from the people supposedly influenced by these types of artists. An example of a truly influential artist for me, is Kate Bush. The list of people who've been influenced by her is diverse and exciting.
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Old 24-02-2012, 15:01
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When I first saw this thread I thought ilovezenyatta started it.
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Old 24-02-2012, 15:02
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Mariah is the best

Because she actually writes 90% of her stuff and also produces

and she has so many classic tracks
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Old 24-02-2012, 15:07
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Definitely yes in terms of sale sand impact in the 90's definitely Mariah has the most US number 1 singles tied with the beatles (18 0r 19) and most for a female she has had two of the worlds biggest selling albums and is widely regarded as one of the best singers of her genre.

Same with Celine massive sales big impact and a wideley regarded voice.

They may not be as big as their earlier careers but nor was Whitney and both are still releasing so i would say yes.

Outside of the big not hitting wailing genre there ar far better if not gifted singers who are more influential and creative than either of those three for me great singers/iconic artiists would be:

Dusty
Amy Winehouse
Sarah Mclachlan
Annie Lennox
Kate Bush
Janis Joplin
Etc
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Old 24-02-2012, 15:56
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So for years, these 3 have been the 'vocal trinity'. The 3 females most regarded as the best in the business.

Whitney's passing has seen alot of people call her 'the greatest female singer ever'. Where do Mariah and Celine fit in, in terms of success and popularity.

In terms of sales, Celine is the leader with Mariah second, then Whitney last. Hardly a surprise when Whitney released the fewest albums. In terms of popularity, Whitney was probably the top.

What do you think?
Well they all are icons in their own right of course Whitney is more of the icon, Mariah is 2nd and Celine is 3rd as she's more successful than them both but me personally I like all 3 of them but I prefer celines voice more
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Old 24-02-2012, 15:59
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I think female artists like Debbie Harry, Joan Jett, Stevie Nicks, Patty Smith, Madonna etc. are far more important/iconic than any of the women mentioned in this thread and have influenced far more artists over the years... They all have distinctive, mostly strong and unique voices that aren't just screaming and hitting stupid notes.

I would never label Mariah or Celine as "the best in the business", Whitney maybe but not the best. I guess there's no way of actually knowing though because it's all down to personal opinion.
All them artists u mentioned aren't iconic except for Madonna!! Maybe blondie but other than that no!! Madonna, janet, Whitney, Mariah, celine, Britney and beyonce are the ones who are more Important/iconic that will be remembered
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Old 24-02-2012, 16:30
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All them artists u mentioned aren't iconic except for Madonna!! Maybe blondie but other than that no!! Madonna, janet, Whitney, Mariah, celine, Britney and beyonce are the ones who are more Important/iconic that will be remembered
Without those women i.e Debbie Harry, Janis Joplin, Kate bush paving the way there would simply be no Madonna etc these women were pioneers who steered their own careers and aloud others to do the same.

Britney, Whitney, mariah have along the way been nothing more than products Jnet and Madonna are as artistic as the mainstream gets i can assure you someone like Kate Bush will have a longer lasting legacy
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Old 24-02-2012, 16:32
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All them artists u mentioned aren't iconic except for Madonna!! Maybe blondie but other than that no!! Madonna, janet, Whitney, Mariah, celine, Britney and beyonce are the ones who are more Important/iconic that will be remembered
Such a lack of knowledge.
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Old 24-02-2012, 17:09
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I think female artists like Debbie Harry, Joan Jett, Stevie Nicks, Patty Smith, Madonna etc. are far more important/iconic than any of the women mentioned in this thread and have influenced far more artists over the years... They all have distinctive, mostly strong and unique voices that aren't just screaming and hitting stupid notes.

I would never label Mariah or Celine as "the best in the business", Whitney maybe but not the best. I guess there's no way of actually knowing though because it's all down to personal opinion.
fully agree with this post... (beat me to reply, lol)

All them artists u mentioned aren't iconic except for Madonna!! Maybe blondie but other than that no!! Madonna, janet, Whitney, Mariah, celine, Britney and beyonce are the ones who are more Important/iconic that will be remembered
jeez.... someone needs to do some homework before making such idiotic statements in public...

tbh i see very little iconography with mariah, whitney nor celine. they are just rather visually unimposing but successful females.
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Old 24-02-2012, 18:16
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Oh come on!! Madge, Janet, Whitney, Celine, Mariah, beyonce and Britney are more remembered and some of them are fogotten I have never heard of a single song from them!! Who's the idiot now!! U guys are!'
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Old 24-02-2012, 18:17
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Such a lack of knowledge.
I'll add Cher cause she's iconic too and she's before Madonna
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Old 24-02-2012, 18:20
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Oh come on!! Madge, Janet, Whitney, Celine, Mariah, beyonce and Britney are more remembered and some of them are fogotten I have never heard of a single song from them!! Who's the idiot now!! U guys are!'
erm...you... because if you think that you havnt heard of them they must be nobodies, when in fact if you knew anything about music, youd know who they were and why they are iconic.
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Old 24-02-2012, 18:21
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I'll add Cher cause she's iconic too and she's before Madonna
do you know what an 'icon' is?...
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Old 24-02-2012, 18:29
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Leanne Rimes - people forget her but she is one of the most talented voices in the music world. She can do rock, country, and ballads to perfection.
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Old 24-02-2012, 18:32
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Oh come on!! Madge, Janet, Whitney, Celine, Mariah, beyonce and Britney are more remembered and some of them are fogotten I have never heard of a single song from them!! Who's the idiot now!! U guys are!'
You're embarrassing yourself now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFerLNdpwO4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn8-4tjPxD8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xACZHv-sLCg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RAQXg0IdfI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy-QmgdUVTI

If you haven't heard any of these songs, I feel seriously sorry for you.
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Old 24-02-2012, 18:35
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Fans, longevity and critical acclaim are the main things that determine an Icon.
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Old 24-02-2012, 19:18
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I'll add Cher cause she's iconic too and she's before Madonna
I'll repeat - you show such a lack of knowledge. The only women you seem to be able to name are of a very specific type, pop divas I suppose is the best term to collate them. You show absolutely no musical knowledge outside of this small group, so I find it difficult to take anything you have to say seriously.
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Old 24-02-2012, 19:24
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to start with...non of them are icons, an icon is religious symbol!

you mean cultural icon...

this discription highlights why these divas are not cultural icons, or at least are a very long way down the pecking order
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_icon
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Old 24-02-2012, 20:14
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All them ladies worked hard to be icons so if people say that the artists I mention are icons then I say so too!!

U guys are a disappointment!!
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