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Did Lady Gaga just become uncool?
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Jonesy88
26-02-2012
I think people are growing sick of her. It was/is bound to happen.
konebyvax
26-02-2012
Even though I'm by no means a fan she does interest me, which is not something I could ever say of for instance Rihanna or Katy Perry. I am looking forward to the next album not because I'm necessarily going to buy it but to see how it does. Blockbuster or under performer? I love predicting stuff but I genuinely couldn't in this instance. I do think it will be the decider about Gaga long term. She nails this one she's set fair, she doesn't.........
performingmonk
26-02-2012
Her next album needs to be more stripped-back with her raw talent front and centre instead of the huge production around it. She's amazing live but the 'samey' production on the BTW album did my head in.
AlexMalgua
26-02-2012
She just didn't become uncool overnight. It seemed to have happened gradually since after Judas. we'll not know in terms of sales until she releases some new material but there's been a shift in terms of cultural/media impact. Apart from Digital Spy who still champions her, most media aren't that bothered about her anymore...The thing is she might have been all worked by the media and the casual buyers who started to see through the eccentricity, the need to be OTT and outdoing herself and somehow the fakeness of her character/messages of her music. I seriously think the BTW controversy harmed her - doesn't matter it was similar to Madonna's EY or not, or it sold really well at the time, the controversy exposed her as a try-hard wannabe and quite patronizing as well - and her performing as Jo Calderone at the VMAs didn't help the matter.

PS - I'm not sure why the OP mentioned Madonna but the reference makes sense to me. there's been a ridiculous amount of hype and media attention around her since she started promoting W.E. and even if Give Me All Your Luvin underperformed on the charts, it still provoked reactions while, as another poster pointed out, MDNA pre-orders broke a new record on itune and her SB performance got people talking.
ilovezenyatta
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by AlexMalgua:
“She just didn't become uncool overnight. It seemed to have happened gradually since after Judas. we'll not know in terms of sales until she releases some new material but there's been a shift in terms of cultural/media impact. Apart from Digital Spy who still champions her, most media aren't that bothered about her anymore...The thing is she might have been all worked by the media and the casual buyers who started to see through the eccentricity, the need to be OTT and outdoing herself and somehow the fakeness of her character/messages of her music. I seriously think the BTW controversy harmed her - doesn't matter it was similar to Madonna's EY or not, or it sold really well at the time, the controversy exposed her as a try-hard wannabe and quite patronizing as well - and her performing as Jo Calderone at the VMAs didn't help the matter.

PS - I'm not sure why the OP mentioned Madonna but the reference makes sense to me. there's been a ridiculous amount of hype and media attention around her since she started promoting W.E. and even if Give Me All Your Luvin underperformed on the charts, it still provoked reactions while, as another poster pointed out, MDNA pre-orders broke a new record on itune and her SB performance got people talking.”

hmmmmm..... i think she was lucky btw met with success.
Star_Bright
26-02-2012
Lady Gaga is ANNOYING! And this is coming from someone who liked songs from her first album, and also went to her Monster Ball tour.

She is probably the most irritating person I have been to see in concert. I was pretty much rolling my eyes whenever she decided to speak (which was a lot).

The standard of her songs have declined as well.
jadebutterfly96
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by Star_Bright:
“Lady Gaga is ANNOYING! And this is coming from someone who liked songs from her first album, and also went to her Monster Ball tour.

She is probably the most irritating person I have been to see in concert. I was pretty much rolling my eyes whenever she decided to speak (which was a lot).

The standard of her songs have declined as well.”

Interesting. I thought I was alone in this. I really really liked her during the Fame era and even thought (and still think) that Bad Romance is one of the best pop songs ever written. After going to see her at the Monster Ball, she completely put me off. The Born This Way shite didn't really help me change my mind.
Tree-Of-Life
26-02-2012
She's just over exposed, plain and simple. Whoever becomes the biggest star in the world has to suffer this inevitable fate. It happens to them all.

Most of the world's leading superstars are suffering from fan fatigue, even Adele's success is becoming tiresome, Rihanna is losing it, Beyonce's pregnancy controversy hasn't help her out, Katy got divorced, Gaga is omnipresent.

That's why Lana Del Ray has become a breath of fresh air, her music is dark and gloomy on one hand, but comforting and enthralling on the other, if her career continues to sky rocket though she will suffer the same fate as the 5 previous artists mentioned, who by most people's accounts are the world's leading music artists.
TH14
26-02-2012
I think a lot of people admired her drive and will to suceed when she was starting off and around the time when she unleashed TFM. She got a lot of praise and was really down to earth and humble. I think she started to believe her own hype and the year long hype for BTW was pretty ridiculous. I really do think she thought BTW was a great album up there with anything anyone has ever produced and the videos that accompanied the songs reeked of self indulgence and pretentiousness. The mini backlash will hopefully mean she will come down a peg or two and go back to the Gaga we fell in love with
Shadow2009
26-02-2012
[quote=toanythingtaboo;56779030
The Grammys 2012 belonged to Adele. Everyone knew that. There's only so "happy" you can fake going into something knowing you will not win. At least she didn't throw fits on camera like Nicki and Bruno, or act as bitchy as Katy Perry and Ke$ha did when Gaga slayed the VMAs.[/QUOTE]

Bruno was joking. Everyone knew that.

Where did Nicki, Katy and Ke$ha act bitchy? First i've heard of this.
all_night
26-02-2012
I do like Lady Gaga music but i feel the way some spoke like some of her songs were masterpieces were a bit over the top. Also the way she acts and sells herself i think will become boring to some.

With Adele dominating last year it has highlighted that you don't need some fancy gimmick to make it big. A powerful voice and a good song goes along way.
warszawa
26-02-2012
Trying to be cool makes someone anything but.
Eric_Blob
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by Shadow2009:
“Where did Nicki, Katy and Ke$ha act bitchy? First i've heard of this.”

None of them were bitchy at all. He's just making things up or reading into things too much.

On another note, I'm interested what will happen with Lady Gaga in the future MUSICALLY.

The thing is, from 2005/2006 onward, electropop and dance-pop started surging in popularity. Lady Gaga came out in 2008, probably the peak of dance music, with an album almost full of dance songs. I think that's part of the reason for her success. She saw the trend, and jumped on it.

Now, to me it's obvious dance music is dieing out. The biggest song in the UK at the moment is Somebody That I Used to Know, the biggest song in the US at the moment is We Are Young. I think it's clear what direction pop music is going in next, also factoring in the hype around artists like Lana Del Rey, Emeli Sande, etc.

So I'm wondering, will Lady Gaga keep doing her electro music, even though in a few years electro songs will probably flop in the charts (like they always did in 2004) or will she move with the trend and do more acoustically based songs?

She's released 12 singles now, 11 of them electropop, and You and I which is a rock/country-ish song.

Her fans may not want to accept this, but lets be honest, if Lady Gaga had been around since 1999 like Britney and Christina were, she would not have been releasing songs like Poker Face and Bad Romance. She would've been doing teen-pop and urban-pop music, and I think Lady Gaga will have to move along with the new trend in the next few years if she wants to have more big hits in the singles charts, and this means more songs like You and I and less songs like Dance in the Dark/Marry the Night.
leosw4
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by Eric_Blob:
“None of them were bitchy at all. He's just making things up or reading into things too much.

On another note, I'm interested what will happen with Lady Gaga in the future MUSICALLY.

The thing is, from 2005/2006 onward, electropop and dance-pop started surging in popularity. Lady Gaga came out in 2008, probably the peak of dance music, with an album almost full of dance songs. I think that's part of the reason for her success. She saw the trend, and jumped on it.

Now, to me it's obvious dance music is dieing out. The biggest song in the UK at the moment is Somebody That I Used to Know, the biggest song in the US at the moment is We Are Young. I think it's clear what direction pop music is going in next, also factoring in the hype around artists like Lana Del Rey, Emeli Sande, etc.

So I'm wondering, will Lady Gaga keep doing her electro music, even though in a few years electro songs will probably flop in the charts (like they always did in 2004) or will she move with the trend and do more acoustically based songs?

She's released 12 singles now, 11 of them electropop, and You and I which is a rock/country-ish song.

Her fans may not want to accept this, but lets be honest, if Lady Gaga had been around since 1999 like Britney and Christina were, she would not have been releasing songs like Poker Face and Bad Romance. She would've been doing teen-pop and urban-pop music, and I think Lady Gaga will have to move along with the new trend in the next few years if she wants to have more big hits in the singles charts, and this means more songs like You and I and less songs like Dance in the Dark/Marry the Night.”

I agree, in particular with the bit in bold. It is almost an exact re-run of the rave craze of 1991/92 (rave being in the sense of a particular sound as opposed to dance music in general) which dominated for a period then slowly the cracks started to appear and then suddenly the bottom fell out-as a result stronger more traditional artists and songs started getting into the charts again, traditional pop and r n b had a resurgence and other types of dance music became more dominant.

As for Lady Gaga, then yes she would be wise to continue as you suggest I don't think her career is over, I actually think it will be considered retrospectively as a wise move of her not to exactly follow the trend with BTW-she couldn't be accused of going for the David Guetta sound -the problem perhaps as has been suggested, is that the elaborate video's and outfit's and what you used to be caused a 'shockfest' detracted from the music.
toanythingtaboo
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by Shadow2009:
“Bruno was joking. Everyone knew that.

Where did Nicki, Katy and Ke$ha act bitchy? First i've heard of this.”

Originally Posted by Eric_Blob:
“None of them were bitchy at all. He's just making things up or reading into things too much.”

http://www.thecsperspective.com/wp-c.../162477659.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/XvfVy.jpg
Eric_Blob
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by toanythingtaboo:
“http://www.thecsperspective.com/wp-c.../162477659.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/XvfVy.jpg”

Yes, I was right.

You're reading into things too much. Practically everybody in the world had that expression on their faces, not just female pop stars, because Lady Gaga is wearing a meat dress. It's nothing to do with her winning an award.

Originally Posted by leosw4:
“I agree, in particular with the bit in bold. It is almost an exact re-run of the rave craze of 1991/92 (rave being in the sense of a particular sound as opposed to dance music in general) which dominated for a period then slowly the cracks started to appear and then suddenly the bottom fell out-as a result stronger more traditional artists and songs started getting into the charts again, traditional pop and r n b had a resurgence and other types of dance music became more dominant.

As for Lady Gaga, then yes she would be wise to continue as you suggest I don't think her career is over, I actually think it will be considered retrospectively as a wise move of her not to exactly follow the trend with BTW-she couldn't be accused of going for the David Guetta sound -the problem perhaps as has been suggested, is that the elaborate video's and outfit's and what you used to be caused a 'shockfest' detracted from the music.”

Yeah, she will have to change up her music style I think. Some of her fans seem to be wanting her to release more "simple" and "fun" pop songs like the songs she had out in 2009, but I don't actually think that will work, as that type of music was in fashion in 2007-now, but it won't be in 2013 imo.
jadebutterfly96
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by toanythingtaboo:
“http://www.thecsperspective.com/wp-c.../162477659.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/XvfVy.jpg”

Seriously? Touchy much? I would be doing a hell lot more than "rolling my eyes" if someone walk down the street with a meat dress.
rollercoaster
26-02-2012
The problem is that people today have become quite used to taking things at face value. The meat dress wasn't to be weird, and you'd now that if you decided to do some research instead of looking a bit silly. It was a protest statement. Just like burning bras was back in the day.

About Gaga running out of steam - this Album, and she said it on Ryan Seacrest's radio show before it's release - was never meant to be a commercial success. She just wanted to get her story out there and she knew it wouldn't be taken kindly to by critics or the casual fan because of the need to know more about her backstory to understand most of it (like Marry the night and TEOG for example.) For not designing something to be commercially successful, she's done pretty well.

If she'd wanted it to be a commercial success, she would've created an album like TFM with club stomping beats, hooks, and a generic message about some man and how much she wants him to do her.

With Born This Way, she wanted to experiment with sounds and see what worked, and created an album that has a running theme and references itself in the songs - "Holy Fool" in Electric Chapel, Judas - and even in her videos, it's autobiographical, but in the wrong order due to putting out promo singles like a noob. Born This way was the birth, TEOG showed her dancing coked off her nut on the fire escape as she did before fame - she even does the just dance dance - MTN has her breakdown and rise to the top, and You and I is her transformation from whatever she is into whatever she needs to be, or whatever she sees in her fantasy as her ideal superstar being.

Judas... Interscope are silly for releasing that at that point. It could've been huge because it is a typically commercial sound, but the lyrics are a bit too complex of mass appeal. It's actually a very well written song fi you listen to it. It also continues her growth to find the perfect song with that sound that came through the morphin of Poker Face into Bad Romance, and now Bad Romance and Poker Face into Judas.

I'm rambling.

She's shifted a hell of alot of stuff over the past year, more than any other female in her genre. Such an epic fail.

For a point of reference - Michael Jackson's "Thriller" single only reached number 10 in the UK chart. That flopper!

Also, the main reason for the messed up campaign this time around was that her label let her take more control. She basically had the say in where she went and what she did. As a 25 year old that's not been in the big-scale industry a heck of a long time - thats alot of responsibiloity to carry off, especially when people expect it to be as slick as your last album campaign. She did pretty well considering she doesn't have much experience in managing herself.

And that rat faced pile of mess ruined some of it for her, like a poison bint from within just spouting her bull.

Yeah, in conclusion, she managed herself on a campaign with an autobiographical experimental album with free reign from her record company. Didn't go too badly if you ask me.

Her image has been a little out of control, though. She really concentrated on the song 'hair' for her style throughout the campaign. It didn't go well.
toanythingtaboo
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by Eric_Blob:
“Yes, I was right.

You're reading into things too much. Practically everybody in the world had that expression on their faces, not just female pop stars, because Lady Gaga is wearing a meat dress. It's nothing to do with her winning an award.”

I disagree.
jackbell
26-02-2012
Her biggest challenge is to make the songs as good as the image and presentation. Her songs seem to need all the bells, flutes and whistles because they are poorly written. It's all a smokescreen for mediocrity.
TH14
26-02-2012
I don't believe for a minute she doesn't value commercial success immensely. Her comments on twitter every few months announcing how many copies BTW has sold and saying ' we did it monsters' every time she gets some award says it all about how much she values awards and high sales. Pop stars do bullshit now and again and Gaga definately wants loads of awards and massive sales
Talk That Talk
26-02-2012
I loved The Fame/The Fame Monster. It was a true pop album. Every single song on that record could have been a number one hit. It felt fresh and funky.

Born This Way in comparison is dire. I always find it strange reading comments about how its a natural progression for her. I would say the only personal song on the album is You & I. The rest is just cheap euro pop. Like others in the thread I think Judas is what caused most damage for her image but I also think the Madonna comparisons hurt her hard as well. She is either very foolish or just badly advised when it comes to the Madonna subject. There is paying homage to someone then there is blatent copying.

I think what Lady Gaga should do now is a stripped back album. No big gimmicks. Just her and a piano. Everything has become a bit too try hard. She should go back to basics.

Originally Posted by shadesofblack:
“I felt a huge shift at the Grammys. She sat there with that net on her face, and she just looked uncomfortable, alone and completely irrelevant in that moment. Like her time had passed her by. It was one of the most poignant snapshots in music that I've seen.

She is going to have to go away and give people a chance to miss her. And come back humble, with a better album.”

Its funny you should say this because I felt the exact same. Its like she suddenly felt out of her depth and didn't know what to do. There is an awful shot of her leaping up once she realised the camera was pointing in her direction after Adele finished performing. It looked so fake and forced. Its sad in many ways but I think Lady Gaga was all about the gimmick. Take that away and you are left with very little. I don't think its a case of becoming uncool. I think its just a case of exhausting herself. She has done too much too soon.
Eric_Blob
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by rollercoaster:
“If she'd wanted it to be a commercial success, she would've created an album like TFM with club stomping beats, hooks, and a generic message about some man and how much she wants him to do her.

Judas... Interscope are silly for releasing that at that point. It could've been huge because it is a typically commercial sound, but the lyrics are a bit too complex of mass appeal. It's actually a very well written song fi you listen to it. It also continues her growth to find the perfect song with that sound that came through the morphin of Poker Face into Bad Romance, and now Bad Romance and Poker Face into Judas.”

I agree about the lyrics, but most of the album Born This Way has club stomping beats and big catchy hooks.

About Judas, it does have a complex message. But look at how successful Love the Way You Lie was.
Star_Bright
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by jadebutterfly96:
“Interesting. I thought I was alone in this. I really really liked her during the Fame era and even thought (and still think) that Bad Romance is one of the best pop songs ever written. After going to see her at the Monster Ball, she completely put me off. The Born This Way shite didn't really help me change my mind.”

Nice to know that I'm not the only one

The silly girl started to believe her own hype. Oh well.
KimberleyEscada
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by rollercoaster:
“The problem is that people today have become quite used to taking things at face value. The meat dress wasn't to be weird, and you'd now that if you decided to do some research instead of looking a bit silly. It was a protest statement.”

I think you, gaga and her fans miss the point with this. Most music fans don't want a political message with each public appearance. It comes over as highly patronising. Almost like she thinks she the great gaga needs to enlighten us.

For what its worth, if i saw someone stand in front of me in a dress made out of meat, i would probably have a WTF face too.
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