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I think you, gaga and her fans miss the point with this. Most music fans don't want a political message with each public appearance. It comes over as highly patronising. Almost like she thinks she the great gaga needs to enlighten us.
For what its worth, if i saw someone stand in front of me in a dress made out of meat, i would probably have a WTF face too. Its a shame as like others said she was amazing when she first arrived on the scene but then she started going more and more out there for attention. As soon as this started to happen I went off her. But the killer for me was how she spent the first part of 2011 being nothing more than a Madonna clone. The user who said that caused her career damage has it nailed. Its alright taking influence from someone but actually pretending to be them is something else entirely.... |
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She just seems like a rip-off now. Even more than before. People seem to becoming wiser to her tricks.
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How melodramatic.
What were you expecting her to do? She didn't perform, she didn't present, she didn't win an award, she didn't even walk the red carpet. She was just showing face. As for "irrelevant", you must have not been on Twitter at the time nor watched the red carpet. There was a constant stream of people wondering where she was (it trended throughout) and discussing those who turned up in "Gaga-like" outfits, and when Katy and Nicki performed she was talked about further. During the ceremony she was one of the most frequently cut to faces. The Grammys 2012 belonged to Adele. Everyone knew that. There's only so "happy" you can fake going into something knowing you will not win. At least she didn't throw fits on camera like Nicki and Bruno, or act as bitchy as Katy Perry and Ke$ha did when Gaga slayed the VMAs. I think it's pretty unfair the way people are acting toward Gaga for "losing", like it was a personal slap on the face. Adele winning was awarding Adele, not detracting Gaga or the other nominees. I agree with your last comment though. However, we're no longer in an industry that requires years away for absence to make the heart grow stronger. Her laying low for the next year would be sufficient. Won't be enough for some, but they aren't likely her target market. ![]() If I was shooting for drama I could have waxed poetic on how looking at her made me think of Betty Davis in What Ever Happened to Baby Jane. I did not go on about how her lip stick smeared on her face under that net made her look like a sad, misplaced clown, and I didn't quote the reporter who noted "seeing her try to take the netting off in the back of her car was like seeing the end of an era." Now that would have been melodramatic. Geez, give me a little bit more credit next time. |
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Melodramatic? My short one or two sentences were melodramatic?
![]() If I was shooting for drama I could have waxed poetic on how looking at her made me think of Betty Davis in What Ever Happened to Baby Jane. I did not go on about how her lip stick smeared on her face under that net made her look like a sad, misplaced clown, and I didn't quote the reporter who noted "seeing her try to take the netting off in the back of her car was like seeing the end of an era." Now that would have been melodramatic. Geez, give me a little bit more credit next time.
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I think a lot of people admired her drive and will to suceed when she was starting off and around the time when she unleashed TFM. She got a lot of praise and was really down to earth and humble. I think she started to believe her own hype and the year long hype for BTW was pretty ridiculous. I really do think she thought BTW was a great album up there with anything anyone has ever produced and the videos that accompanied the songs reeked of self indulgence and pretentiousness. The mini backlash will hopefully mean she will come down a peg or two and go back to the Gaga we fell in love with
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You know, if she worked with the right people she now has a platform to reinvent herself. All the meat dresses, egg toting, gender bending wont help her this era, she needs to come back confident but not completely arrogant as she seems to have been, and she needs a different take. The last album was undeniably naff with a lot of horrible production/ stylistic choices, music has moved on and if she put anything like she did out now it would sound and look dated. It's a fine line. She has an impeccable voice though and she would totally beat those diva girls at their own game, I say she should throw a spanner in the works and reinvent, and definitely not work with the guys she's been working with, they seemed to limit her, she already fired the creative girl who suggested she copy Madonna to the extent she did, so it a lets wait and see thing.
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I felt a huge shift at the Grammys. She sat there with that net on her face, and she just looked uncomfortable, alone and completely irrelevant in that moment. Like her time had passed her by. It was one of the most poignant snapshots in music that I've seen.
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Melodramatic? My short one or two sentences were melodramatic?
![]() If I was shooting for drama I could have waxed poetic on how looking at her made me think of Betty Davis in What Ever Happened to Baby Jane. I did not go on about how her lip stick smeared on her face under that net made her look like a sad, misplaced clown, and I didn't quote the reporter who noted "seeing her try to take the netting off in the back of her car was like seeing the end of an era." Now that would have been melodramatic. Geez, give me a little bit more credit next time. Melodramatic can apply to something that appears sensationalised or exaggerated. ![]() Quote:
Didn't see your post as being melodramatic at all - funny enough the same poster who slams your post for its 'melodramatic' nature didn't keep his response any shorter neither measured...How ironic!?
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maybe if she goes back to the basics then she'll be right back where she once was with her first two albums. but, i heard rumors that her record label wants her to go back to her old material.
maybe because they want to make it up for the sales and make it a difference. which the album will be released this year. but of course her fans who didnt like the move she made obviously are use to what they're hearing on the radio right now from other artists so maybe that's why it wasnt received too well. |
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Didn't see your post as being melodramatic at all - funny enough the same poster who slams your post for its 'melodramatic' nature didn't keep his response any shorter neither measured...How ironic!?
![]() ![]() I love you shades, but ''a poignant snapshot''? ''Her time had passed her by''? I mean, she was sitting in a chair, losing Grammys, with a net on her face.
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I've been so disappointed in the way Gaga's career has turned out so far. Her first album was a good debut - hardly innovative or ground breaking, but still very solid. She kind of came out of nowhere with two catchy dance songs and a sort of quirky ice queen image. The Bad Romance/Telephone EP wasn't bad either. But Born This Way is one of the most disappointing follow ups in history.
The focus has shifted completely from music to all out attention seeking. It would probably be salvageable if she had a personality to go with the outrageous wardrobe (ala Nicki Minaj) but she just doesn't. Her music is some of the most generic stuff out there at the minute and her lyrics are just cliched garbage. She'll always be around because she has a huge dedicated (and in some cases, deluded) fan base, but her credibility as an artist all depends on her third studio album now. If she takes her time with it, tries to get back her old sound and not just churn out any old rubbish in time for a 2013 release, she has a shot of being relevant again. |
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The problem is that people today have become quite used to taking things at face value. The meat dress wasn't to be weird, and you'd now that if you decided to do some research instead of looking a bit silly. It was a protest statement. Just like burning bras was back in the day.
About Gaga running out of steam - this Album, and she said it on Ryan Seacrest's radio show before it's release - was never meant to be a commercial success. She just wanted to get her story out there and she knew it wouldn't be taken kindly to by critics or the casual fan because of the need to know more about her backstory to understand most of it (like Marry the night and TEOG for example.) For not designing something to be commercially successful, she's done pretty well. If she'd wanted it to be a commercial success, she would've created an album like TFM with club stomping beats, hooks, and a generic message about some man and how much she wants him to do her. With Born This Way, she wanted to experiment with sounds and see what worked, and created an album that has a running theme and references itself in the songs - "Holy Fool" in Electric Chapel, Judas - and even in her videos, it's autobiographical, but in the wrong order due to putting out promo singles like a noob. Born This way was the birth, TEOG showed her dancing coked off her nut on the fire escape as she did before fame - she even does the just dance dance - MTN has her breakdown and rise to the top, and You and I is her transformation from whatever she is into whatever she needs to be, or whatever she sees in her fantasy as her ideal superstar being. Judas... Interscope are silly for releasing that at that point. It could've been huge because it is a typically commercial sound, but the lyrics are a bit too complex of mass appeal. It's actually a very well written song fi you listen to it. It also continues her growth to find the perfect song with that sound that came through the morphin of Poker Face into Bad Romance, and now Bad Romance and Poker Face into Judas. I'm rambling. She's shifted a hell of alot of stuff over the past year, more than any other female in her genre. Such an epic fail. For a point of reference - Michael Jackson's "Thriller" single only reached number 10 in the UK chart. That flopper! Also, the main reason for the messed up campaign this time around was that her label let her take more control. She basically had the say in where she went and what she did. As a 25 year old that's not been in the big-scale industry a heck of a long time - thats alot of responsibiloity to carry off, especially when people expect it to be as slick as your last album campaign. She did pretty well considering she doesn't have much experience in managing herself. And that rat faced pile of mess ruined some of it for her, like a poison bint from within just spouting her bull. Yeah, in conclusion, she managed herself on a campaign with an autobiographical experimental album with free reign from her record company. Didn't go too badly if you ask me. Her image has been a little out of control, though. She really concentrated on the song 'hair' for her style throughout the campaign. It didn't go well. And the reaction she got for wearing the meat dress was totally justified. It was weird and didn't make any sense. If she wanted to make a strong political statement which has some logic and depth, she should have come with something of her own instead of using an existing piece from a fellow artist and recycling its meaning to suit her opportunism... On a different note, the reason why Katy Perry, Rihanna are in the same basket as Gaga in some ways for being highly irritating to lots of people is because the 3 of them are attention-seeking queens in their own way. Lana Del Rey on the other end captured people's imagination in a similar way Gaga did as soon as she came out on the scene. She's riding high with her debut despite the early backlash she faced so there's no reason for her to become irritating unless she starts to overexpose herself like the others...I truly hope not! |
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The image of Lady Gaga just sitting in a chair at an award show was "one of the most poignant snapshots in music that [you had] seen"? It looked like "her time had passed her by"? Melodramatic can apply to something that appears sensationalised or exaggerated. ![]() Don't think you've quite got the meaning of "melodramatic" if you think what I said qualifies. ![]()
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I've been so disappointed in the way Gaga's career has turned out so far. Her first album was a good debut - hardly innovative or ground breaking, but still very solid. She kind of came out of nowhere with two catchy dance songs and a sort of quirky ice queen image. The Bad Romance/Telephone EP wasn't bad either. But Born This Way is one of the most disappointing follow ups in history.
The focus has shifted completely from music to all out attention seeking. It would probably be salvageable if she had a personality to go with the outrageous wardrobe (ala Nicki Minaj) but she just doesn't. Her music is some of the most generic stuff out there at the minute and her lyrics are just cliched garbage. She'll always be around because she has a huge dedicated (and in some cases, deluded) fan base, but her credibility as an artist all depends on her third studio album now. If she takes her time with it, tries to get back her old sound and not just churn out any old rubbish in time for a 2013 release, she has a shot of being relevant again. |
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I'm confused as to whether you don't understand ''melodramatic'' or ''ironic'', because toanythingtaboo's post was neither.
![]() I love you shades, but ''a poignant snapshot''? ''Her time had passed her by''? I mean, she was sitting in a chair, losing Grammys, with a net on her face. ![]() |
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For a point of reference - Michael Jackson's "Thriller" single only reached number 10 in the UK chart. That flopper!
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Didn't you explain above what melodramatic can mean? In its length and content your response to shadesofblack felt to me exaggerated. My post said it, not sure you've quite got it
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Erm...Shall I remind i actually didn't write the original post. I read it and didn't find it melodramatic. But if I had and felt the the need to point out how melodramatic it was, I wouldn't have written such a long post as tonanythingtaboo did...
![]() If it was a rant, I'd sort of understand, but it was hardly a rambling overemotional/exaggerated/sensationalising splurge of text...it was pretty to the point and responded to what was said. |
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I actually kind of think the reverse to be honest I though The Fame was just one or two good songs and then just lots of bland filler. Born This Way is a messy album and the singles weren't great choices for the most part but as an album I think it was much better than The Fame overall. Just my opinion though.
The theatrics have become expected so she is having to push harder and ger more rediculous and without material to fall back on is just a gimmicky patronising joke. she has to bring it back round on the next era |
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You measure how melodramatic/exaggerated something is by the length of post?
![]() If it was a rant, I'd sort of understand, but it was hardly a rambling overemotional/exaggerated/sensationalising splurge of text...it was pretty to the point and responded to what was said.
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I've been so disappointed in the way Gaga's career has turned out so far. Her first album was a good debut - hardly innovative or ground breaking, but still very solid. She kind of came out of nowhere with two catchy dance songs and a sort of quirky ice queen image. The Bad Romance/Telephone EP wasn't bad either. But Born This Way is one of the most disappointing follow ups in history.
The focus has shifted completely from music to all out attention seeking. It would probably be salvageable if she had a personality to go with the outrageous wardrobe (ala Nicki Minaj) but she just doesn't. Her music is some of the most generic stuff out there at the minute and her lyrics are just cliched garbage. She'll always be around because she has a huge dedicated (and in some cases, deluded) fan base, but her credibility as an artist all depends on her third studio album now. If she takes her time with it, tries to get back her old sound and not just churn out any old rubbish in time for a 2013 release, she has a shot of being relevant again. |
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That's exactly the point! Not that I'm dismissing shadesofblack post but did his post demand such response of yours in length and content to prove how melodramatic his post was? I'm not sure...That's an opinion - you can obviously argue against - Hardly a fact that needs to be proved wrong therefore I found it ironic because in its intention your response was melodramatic to me...
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What a dull forum this would be if everyone thought like that.
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What a dull forum this would be if everyone thought like that.
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I am convinced Alex is either an Accountant or a paperweight.
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Of course! What else could I be...
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I agree in essence listened to The Fame a while back and already it sounds dated and cheesey with a few mishandled Cliche's but overall it was fun upbeat and energtic. BTW was a mess no cohesion and patronization opinions and messages rammed down our throats but artistically if handled better would have been good but overall somewhat of a disaster in terms of PR and overall material. For me she got it right with the Fame Monster it was pop with a good theme and great singles and video's without her pushing or shoving anything in our faces.
The theatrics have become expected so she is having to push harder and ger more rediculous and without material to fall back on is just a gimmicky patronising joke. she has to bring it back round on the next era To be honest I hope for album three she just lets the gimmicks go or at least drops them to a minimum and just sits on the piano and belts out some songs. |
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