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Why is Alexandra Burke hated on so much?
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Servalan
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by alcockell:
“Agreed- however, I was referring to how ABBA was seen *at the time* back in 1974-1975, before they really hit with Mamma Mia and SOS.

From what I gather, Ring Ring was rereleased after Waterloo won Eurovision, and didn't do all that well over here. They basically beat out expectations at the time - foreign Eurovision acts were seen as one-hit wonders generally.”

I completely get where you are coming from - it's just an unlikely analogy on other levels, as Alexandra Burke, like every other Cowell act, has no musical talent beyond being a glorified karaoke singer ...
iseloid
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by Servalan:
“I completely get where you are coming from - it's just an unlikely analogy on other levels, as Alexandra Burke, like every other Cowell act, has no musical talent beyond being a glorified karaoke singer ...”

Mhm. She is very very good singer. Not a kareoke act
And she isn't a 'cowell act' and neither is Rebecca Ferguson. I use those two and add Matt Cardle because they clearly had input into their debuts.
iseloid
26-02-2012
Oh and I'm guessing most of you here are white? Because the only black woman doing well in the singles charts is Whitney due to her untimely passing. Beyonce is a creole woman, Emeli Sande is mixed race. Not everyone who isn't white is black you know.

Honestly. There are some black and mixed race guys in there but on the female front...nope.
Carly_Thompson
26-02-2012
I think Alexandra Burke can be a bit hyper and over the top at times, but I do agree she gets hated on too much. She's never come across as a bad girl to me, she always seems very thankful to her fans and pretty grounded. I don't follow her that much but from what I've seen she's a nice girl with a lot of confidence.

The only fault I would say is Alexandra has to try and become her own artist. Alexandra has an incredible voice, one of the best in the UK. But her songs are either too weak for someone as talented as her or they're just trying to fit in/copy other female popstars like Beyonce.

Leona for example, I think has become her own artist. Not everyone likes her and some say she's boring, but you know a Leona song when you hear it. You can tell it's Leona because it's got it's own style. With Alexandra Burke, particularly her latest single, I feel like they're throwaway popsongs that could be sung by any old artist. Alexandra deserves much stronger material.
len112
26-02-2012
I expect it's her excitability that people find off putting ,which is a shame as she seems a nice girl . I also don't discount that colour might be an issue . Compare Jordan's talentless ass and her relative popularity to Burke .
miles19740
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by alcockell:
“Thinking back, ABBA were initially doubted as they had broken the Uk market on the back of Eurovision... it was only with time and brilliant material that they earned the respect of the UK music-buying population.

Only difference is that the songwriting back in the 70s was MUCH better - and so you had stables like RAK who released a lot of numbers that have become karaoke faves and floorfillers.
(Yes - I'm watching off my PVR, and Tiger Feet is airing)”

RAK stands for?

I agree. The songs have to be good.
Bjorn and Benny are awesome songwriters and musicians. I love their music.
Theshane
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by iseloid:
“Oh and I'm guessing most of you here are white? Because the only black woman doing well in the singles charts is Whitney due to her untimely passing. Beyonce is a creole woman, Emeli Sande is mixed race. Not everyone who isn't white is black you know.

Honestly. There are some black and mixed race guys in there but on the female front...nope.”

Right so we are racist if we don't like Alexandra?
Bit out of order.
Seriously she might just be shit. Black, white, red or green, doesn't matter shit is shit.
Cardle: white: shit
Burke: black: shit
Rihanna: black: shit
Gaga: white: shit
Doesn't matter the colour of their skin. Their shitness unites them in a way that doesn't see skin colour.
iseloid
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by Carly_Thompson:
“I think Alexandra Burke can be a bit hyper and over the top at times, but I do agree she gets hated on too much. She's never come across as a bad girl to me, she always seems very thankful to her fans and pretty grounded. I don't follow her that much but from what I've seen she's a nice girl with a lot of confidence.

The only fault I would say is Alexandra has to try and become her own artist. Alexandra has an incredible voice, one of the best in the UK. But her songs are either too weak for someone as talented as her or they're just trying to fit in/copy other female popstars like Beyonce.

Leona for example, I think has become her own artist. Not everyone likes her and some say she's boring, but you know a Leona song when you hear it. You can tell it's Leona because it's got it's own style. With Alexandra Burke, particularly her latest single, I feel like they're throwaway popsongs that could be sung by any old artist. Alexandra deserves much stronger material.”

I think that's due to her voice. Leona doesn't have a very lendable voice so to speak. Only certain types of songs fit her vocal. Alexandra is writing on her new album, so we will see what happens. The thing is, her single works far better acoustic. I think acoustic is the way to go. I saw her on tour and live instruments work far better than electronic production, as it highlights her voice. BUT she likes to dance as she says. SO it's finding the balance which is the issue. And even if she was coming out with albums like Beyonce's 4, I don't know if it would sell well. People only seem to download sonically bombastic stuff.
iseloid
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by Theshane:
“Right so we are racist if we don't like Alexandra?
Bit out of order.
Seriously she might just be shit. Black, white, red or green, doesn't matter shit is shit.
Cardle: white: shit
Burke: black: shit
Rihanna: black: shit
Gaga: white: shit
Doesn't matter the colour of their skin. Their shitness unites them in a way that doesn't see skin colour.”

I didn't say that. READ IT AGAIN. I said I guarantee you're mostly white, because you were saying that there are black females in the chart now. Which there aren't bar Whitney. And you have your opinion and I have mine, but she most certainly isn't shit. And neither is Gaga.
nicmars
26-02-2012
because her fans are putting her on the same league as Mariah, Beyonce an so on which is laughable
iseloid
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by nicmars:
“because her fans are putting her on the same league as Mariah, Beyonce an so on which is laughable”

Aren't you constantly on hate mode? And vocally she is there.
miles19740
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by iseloid:
“I think that's due to her voice. Leona doesn't have a very lendable voice so to speak. Only certain types of songs fit her vocal. Alexandra is writing on her new album, so we will see what happens. The thing is, her single works far better acoustic. I think acoustic is the way to go. I saw her on tour and live instruments work far better than electronic production, as it highlights her voice. BUT she likes to dance as she says. SO it's finding the balance which is the issue. And even if she was coming out with albums like Beyonce's 4, I don't know if it would sell well. People only seem to download sonically bombastic stuff.”

Singers and musicians should concentrate on making good music and songs, in my opinion. Leave the dancing to dancers.
jackbell
26-02-2012
I admire her talent and she has undoubtedly great pipes, I just struggle to warm to her and I think she comes over as a little fake. Look at the moment she won the X Factor - the wide eyes and falling to the floor sobbing. It was just a tad overdone. I'm sure the surprise and the emotion was genuine but she seemed to add another layer a bit thick for good measure.

Her confidence is good but sometimes overplayed. Look how she stormed it on her time as as an X Factor judge - I'm sure some people were thinking 'Wow, who the f-- does she think she is - it's only been a few years since she was a contestant'

As an aside: she's also a beefy gal with a muscular body - she needs to stay away from the tight shorts and tops.
jackbell
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by miles19740:
“RAK stands for?”

It's a deliberate misspelling of 'Rack'. It's not an acronym.
alcockell
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by miles19740:
“RAK stands for?

I agree. The songs have to be good.
Bjorn and Benny are awesome songwriters and musicians. I love their music.”

RAK was Mickie Most's label. Acts signed to it - Mud, Sweet, Suzi Quatro, Smokie... Chinn/Chapman material.

Agreed re Bjorn and Benny..
Cadiva
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by miles19740:
“Firstly, I think this needs to be said from the get-go. None of us have met any of these people, none of us know any of these people, so none of us are really in a position to comment on what they are really like as people, in my view.

Now, why is she 'not liked'? In my opinion, I would simply put it down to...[LIST][*]The X Factor tag. No-one takes reality tv people / tv talent show people seriously. They have no credibility at all. Shows like The X Factor/Britain's Got Talent are just vehicles for Cowell and ITV to make money, that is it...and the majority of people know it. For this reason, it all feels contrived and not genuine, which is in total contrast to what Gareth Malone (a genuinely talented musician) does on The Choir.
[*]The wider public (the majority of the population outside the X Factor bubble) don't like 'singers' fast-tracked to 'the top' at the expense of those who put the hard work and hard graft in.
[*]The 'Pop Music' market is flooded with singers who can 'sing'. The trouble is, so much of it is the same. It isn't different or distinctive enough...and therein lies the problem. For me, the X Factor churns out 'more of the same' and it is just dull and boring.
[*]Whether I buy a song or not is determined by whether I like said song or not because it is something I am going to listen to. It is totally irrelevant to me who the singer is, what they look like, what religion they are, what their sexuality is, whether they dance or not, what clothes they wear or what their make-up is like. All Night Long is a good pop song, but it could be sung by anyone for all I care. I like it because it is a good song, not because it is 'sung' by Alex.[*]She also appears to take herself way to seriously. The X Factor is just a bit of fluff, that's all.[/LIST]
All of the above is just my opinion.”

I agree. I don't particularly have any feelings one way or the other for her, she doesn't sing the kind of music I like to listen to, none of the X-Factor churn outs do.
bazztheman93
26-02-2012
Why does everyone find it so controversial talking about a skin colour? Its just the colour of someone's skin My word! Its the person you should judge not colour of skin, but the UK especially find it really difficult not to get insecure when someone brings up a person's skin colour. It actually baffles me to why. We are all human beings!
VoodooChic
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by d56:
“Oh god, please shut up.”

I'm not god
iseloid
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by bazztheman93:
“Why does everyone find it so controversial talking about a skin colour? Its just the colour of someone's skin My word! Its the person you should judge not colour of skin, but the UK especially find it really difficult not to get insecure when someone brings up a person's skin colour. It actually baffles me to why. We are all human beings!”

I don't get it, you mention it (even when it IS a factor) and people who aren't affected by it, get all angtsy.
LoveBug.
26-02-2012
Imagine if it was Alex who put her middle finger up after collecting an award like Adele? People would be hating on her. I just think she is confident about her vocal ability and that's what the British public dislike.
Theshane
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by iseloid:
“I didn't say that. READ IT AGAIN. I said I guarantee you're mostly white, because you were saying that there are black females in the chart now. Which there aren't bar Whitney. And you have your opinion and I have mine, but she most certainly isn't shit. And neither is Gaga.”

You're the second person who had brought up skin colour.
And I'm not having someone trying to make out that disliking someone is a race thing. It's not.
Who cares if there are 30 black women or 0 black women in the chart.
Who cares.
Alexandra regardless of colour is to the majority of folk shit. So folk should really stop playing the race card. If burning crosses were turning up in her garden then By all means play it then.
bazztheman93
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by iseloid:
“I don't get it, you mention it (even when it IS a factor) and people who aren't affected by it, get all angtsy.”

yeah I just don;t get it, its really strange alot of other countries can talk about it in a civil way but we get all rightous and think its rarely an issue or is always an issue. It seems the UK are getting worse about talking about race or by not judging some on their race alot harder. In alot of cases its either someone believes race is the central issue or that race should never be mentioned. To me it should be just about the individual person.
iseloid
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by Theshane:
“You're the second person who had brought up skin colour.
And I'm not having someone trying to make out that disliking someone is a race thing. It's not.
Who cares if there are 30 black women or 0 black women in the chart.
Who cares.
Alexandra regardless of colour is to the majority of folk shit. So folk should really stop playing the race card. If burning crosses were turning up in her garden then By all means play it then.”

Well seeing as around 10% of the population voted for her, I don't think that's the case. It's not a race card, but part of the issue in the UK. It makes a difference if there are black artists on the charts.
iseloid
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by bazztheman93:
“yeah I just don;t get it, its really strange alot of other countries can talk about it in a civil way but we get all rightous and think its rarely an issue or is always an issue. It seems the UK are getting worse about talking about race or by not judging some on their race alot harder. In alot of cases its either someone believes race is the central issue or that race should never be mentioned. To me it should be just about the individual person.”

Thing is, it's never about the person. Hence the 'they have lots of singers like her' argument. I mean if you actually assess things properly (in regards to Alex), the US doesn't have lots of contraltos in pop who can sing pop, soul, gospel, adult contemporary and r&b easily, and being at home within each genre. But it isn't about the qualities of the person, sadly. In most cases it's 'race should never be mentioned' although it can be a contributing factor especially in regards to the media.
iseloid
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by LoveBug.:
“Imagine if it was Alex who put her middle finger up after collecting an award like Adele? People would be hating on her. I just think she is confident about her vocal ability and that's what the British public dislike.”

The world would explode lmao. People would hold it against her forever. Notice the reaction to Ok.com? It wasn't as if she said 'I shoot people for fun', God...talk about mass overreaction. And people weren't even listening to what she was saying anyway.
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