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Why is Alexandra Burke hated on so much?
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Dave0893
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by iseloid:
“I think that's due to her voice. Leona doesn't have a very lendable voice so to speak. Only certain types of songs fit her vocal. Alexandra is writing on her new album, so we will see what happens. The thing is, her single works far better acoustic. I think acoustic is the way to go. I saw her on tour and live instruments work far better than electronic production, as it highlights her voice. BUT she likes to dance as she says. SO it's finding the balance which is the issue. And even if she was coming out with albums like Beyonce's 4, I don't know if it would sell well. People only seem to download sonically bombastic stuff.”

Why do you keep bringing Leona into this? It seems as if you do it to make Alexandra look better. In my opinion they are both fantastic singers, and Leona's voice is lendable to different genres too . Alexandra is the better dancer, without a doubt, but Leona is still a great performer imo.

As for why people dislike her, I think it is her confidence and because she is very loud, I don't think race comes into it. Also every celebrity has haters, it is just the way it is.
bazztheman93
26-02-2012
Isn;t the whole point of being a good performer is to have confidence and be loud. Or is the music industry now becoming about shy people with no stage presence. I know who i would go and see at a concert
iseloid
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by Dave0893:
“Why do you keep bringing Leona into this? It seems as if you do it to make Alexandra look better. In my opinion they are both fantastic singers, and Leona's voice is lendable to different genres too . Alexandra is the better dancer, without a doubt, but Leona is still a great performer imo.

As for why people dislike her, I think it is her confidence and because she is very loud, I don't think race comes into it. Also every celebrity has haters, it is just the way it is.”

I didn't bring her into it first, I was replying to a statement. I'm not doing it to big her up at all. But from what we can see, Leona has a great voice, but she reminds me of Mariah. Her voice worked very well, but not on straight pop as it did with Whitney. They are both brilliant singers. But I meant, Leona could only work on uptempos such as Forgive Me rather than Broken Heels. The songs must be tailor made for her voice.
grazman
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by iseloid:
“ Aren't you constantly on hate mode? And vocally she is there.”

But thats the point! The vocals is all she has, shes... whats the word... dull. Songs are forgettable, no image, little likability as she acts like a diva. Exactly the sort of thing that X-factor produces. A puppet to sing songs and she's never going to be big cos she just hasnt got that va-va-voom like Katy Perry, Rhianna, Adele, Jessie J.

John Fashanu in a wig! haha like it!
iseloid
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by bazztheman93:
“Isn;t the whole point of being a good performer is to have confidence and be loud. Or is the music industry now becoming about shy people with no stage presence. I know who i would go and see at a concert”

LOL I do too, but I think Alex would be at home personality wise in the USA. In the UK people don't like loud people, one of the things people hated about Kelly on XF, but I loved it about her. It depends on your family IMO. My family are always loud and laughing etc, its a natural thing (going to a West indian gig and seeing everyone silent is a rare thing).

People love the whole OTT humble act in the UK. Which puzzles me, because if I were in Alex's situation, I'd be just as loud, and crazy. But this dislike isn't recent, she's had it since 2009 (She did an interview in early (January) 2010 about her most misconstrued trait - and it was confidence/bubbly personality as a 'diva' or arrogant.)
iseloid
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by grazman:
“But thats the point! The vocals is all she has, shes... whats the word... dull. Songs are forgettable, no image, little likability as she acts like a diva. Exactly the sort of thing that X-factor produces. A puppet to sing songs and she's never going to be big cos she just hasnt got that va-va-voom like Katy Perry, Rhianna, Adele, Jessie J.

John Fashanu in a wig! haha like it!”

SO Katy and Rihanna/Jessie have the va va voom. Jesus H Christ. Rihanna has become very contrived in her obsessive bid to become Madonna; Jessie oversings everything and has covered every cliche in the book, Katy has this teen girl thing going on, although she's getting up to her 30s. And the vocal isn't all she has, she's a brilliant dancer too. She doesn't act like a diva, she isn't demanding at all. And Jessie J and Katy and Rihanna create memorable songs....Only girl in the world and don't stop the music sound old. And that's coming from a Rihanna fan. And if she wins grammys and sells 15m records in the US if she breaks it, what are you going to say then?
Dave0893
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by bazztheman93:
“Isn;t the whole point of being a good performer is to have confidence and be loud. Or is the music industry now becoming about shy people with no stage presence. I know who i would go and see at a concert”

Of course people want a confident performer, but I think people feel she comes across overconfident and loud in her interviews, and that puts them off her. They just dont seem to like her personality.
iseloid
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by Dave0893:
“Of course people want a confident performer, but I think people feel she comes across overconfident and loud in her interviews, and that puts them off her. They just dont seem to like her personality.”

It depends if you can see through it, and see her. But most can't. I don't get how people can find someone irritating through a TV. But then, I'm not like most, I don't cringe watching tv.
spkx
26-02-2012
All music stars, and anyone in the public eye, are "hated" to some extent. The difference with Alex is that she doesn't have the rabid fanbases like One Direction, Justin Beiber, Cheryl Cole, etc. to balance it out
Theshane
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by iseloid:
“Well seeing as around 10% of the population voted for her, I don't think that's the case. It's not a race card, but part of the issue in the UK. It makes a difference if there are black artists on the charts.”

Of course it's the case. 10% voted for her which means 90% didnt like her or don't care. 90% would be the majority.
Obviously because you're try to make this about skin colour 90% of the UK is racist.
iseloid
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by Theshane:
“Of course it's the case. 10% voted for her which means 90% didnt like her or don't care. 90% would be the majority.
Obviously because you're try to make this about skin colour 90% of the UK is racist.”

No I'm not, but it is a factor too. And I didn't say that. Stop jumping to conclusions.
Theshane
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by iseloid:
“No I'm not, but it is a factor too. And I didn't say that. Stop jumping to conclusions.”

If you are saying her race is a factor then the implication you're making is that not liking her is a form of racism.

Race has nothing to do with it. And as an example,and as someone else pointed out, JLS are obviously black and successful
XFactorFanatic1
26-02-2012
Because I thought Diana Vickers should have won.com
miles19740
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by alcockell:
“RAK was Mickie Most's label. Acts signed to it - Mud, Sweet, Suzi Quatro, Smokie... Chinn/Chapman material.

Agreed re Bjorn and Benny..”

Oh ok. Thanks for that.
iseloid
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by Theshane:
“If you are saying her race is a factor then the implication you're making is that not liking her is a form of racism.

Race has nothing to do with it. And as an example,and as someone else pointed out, JLS are obviously black and successful”

Yes, but they are a boyband. We mentioned confident, successful black females. And it is an issue in the UK. As Misha B on the X factor showed. I'm not on about the public, I am referring to the media, talking about her looks specifically. And the fact they are remotely attractive, means that girls see red with JLS as they did with Nsync.
miles19740
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by LoveBug.:
“Imagine if it was Alex who put her middle finger up after collecting an award like Adele? People would be hating on her. I just think she is confident about her vocal ability and that's what the British public dislike.”

We certainly don't like arrogance or pretentiousness, plus people who think they are way above their station, when the reality is very different.
miles19740
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by iseloid:
“Well seeing as around 10% of the population voted for her, I don't think that's the case. It's not a race card, but part of the issue in the UK. It makes a difference if there are black artists on the charts.”

I don't believe for a second that the vast majority of the population are not interested in her or her songs because of her skin colour. That is smoke and mirrors. People aren't interested in her because she isn't very interesting, like so many of TV's reality tv 'stars'. Her music is generic and instantly forgettable. The vast majority of the population can't stand the X Factor either...that has to come into play to, in my view.
mushymanrob
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by alcockell:
“Only difference is that the songwriting back in the 70s was MUCH better - and so you had stables like RAK who released a lot of numbers that have become karaoke faves and floorfillers.
(Yes - I'm watching off my PVR, and Tiger Feet is airing)”

not sure i agree with you there.... RAK released pretty poor material..ok if you like very simplistic pop maybe it was ok...

interestingly even the composer of 'tiger feet' (chapman) doesnt know wtf it means... hes just grateful it was a smash! lol

is 'tiger feet' any better then ga 'love machine'?... or is the standard of RAK better then what the wanted, one direction, or jls releasing?... personally i dont think so... same audiences just 35 years apart.
miles19740
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by grazman:
“But thats the point! The vocals is all she has, shes... whats the word... dull. Songs are forgettable, no image, little likability as she acts like a diva. Exactly the sort of thing that X-factor produces. A puppet to sing songs and she's never going to be big cos she just hasnt got that va-va-voom like Katy Perry, Rhianna, Adele, Jessie J.

John Fashanu in a wig! haha like it!”

To put it simply, all those from the X Factor are hype, style and visual over substance every time. It is all vacuous. There is nothing there. No depth at all...in my humble opinion.
mushymanrob
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by iseloid:
“Well seeing as around 10% of the population voted for her, I don't think that's the case. It's not a race card, but part of the issue in the UK. It makes a difference if there are black artists on the charts.”

she got just under 6 million votes?

i dont think so!

dunno what your hang up is regarding race either...its never made a difference, otherwise stevie wonder, motown, marvin gaye, aretha franklin, chuck berry, blah de blah de blah wouldnt have been successful over here... in fact if anything black artists have been over reprisented in our charts.

the point is that if we like a song, it makes no difference what colour the person is.... we will buy it.

hell...even racist skinheads like reggae!
mushymanrob
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by miles19740:
“To put it simply, all those from the X Factor are hype, style and visual over substance every time. It is all vacuous. There is nothing there. No depth at all...in my humble opinion.”

you are right...but that very argument was made against....you know who!
miles19740
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by iseloid:
“LOL I do too, but I think Alex would be at home personality wise in the USA. In the UK people don't like loud people, one of the things people hated about Kelly on XF, but I loved it about her. It depends on your family IMO. My family are always loud and laughing etc, its a natural thing (going to a West indian gig and seeing everyone silent is a rare thing).

People love the whole OTT humble act in the UK. Which puzzles me, because if I were in Alex's situation, I'd be just as loud, and crazy. But this dislike isn't recent, she's had it since 2009 (She did an interview in early (January) 2010 about her most misconstrued trait - and it was confidence/bubbly personality as a 'diva' or arrogant.)”

I suspect the Kelly thing is because she is American. Obviously this is speculation on my part, but I know when I tune into Strictly, I expect to see UK judges on a UK show. If I want to watch an American show...do you know what I mean? Cowell did it, I believe, to make the UK show more palatable to a potential US audience...
Kanzi
26-02-2012
I don't like her, and the reason I don't is because she thinks she's better than she is. She's got a damn good voice, but insists on hiding behind auto-tune ('Elephant' doesn't even sound like her), and almost everyone of her singles has some idiot featured artist. Hardly screams the confidence and bravado she's got in abundance when it comes to an interview, does it?

Nothing more needs to be said.
grazman
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by iseloid:
“SO Katy and Rihanna/Jessie have the va va voom. Jesus H Christ. Rihanna has become very contrived in her obsessive bid to become Madonna; Jessie oversings everything and has covered every cliche in the book, Katy has this teen girl thing going on, although she's getting up to her 30s. And the vocal isn't all she has, she's a brilliant dancer too. She doesn't act like a diva, she isn't demanding at all. And Jessie J and Katy and Rihanna create memorable songs....Only girl in the world and don't stop the music sound old. And that's coming from a Rihanna fan. And if she wins grammys and sells 15m records in the US if she breaks it, what are you going to say then?”

The only way she would ever win grammys and sell 15m if she has some amazing songs, cos nothing else is going to get her there. Shes dull, diva-like and doesnt have anything unique to set her apart from everyone else. No va-va-voom im afraid. But thats just my opinion so dont throw your teddy out the pram.
iseloid
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by grazman:
“I'm going to say i told you so, because the only way she would ever win grammys and sell 15m if she has some amazing songs, cos nothing else is going to get her there. Shes dull, diva-like and doesnt have anything unique to set her apart from everyone else. No va-va-voom im afraid. But thats just my opinion so dont throw your teddy out the pram.”

I'm not. And Katy and Rihanna manage it with generic songs. It is very possible.
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