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Why is Alexandra Burke hated on so much?
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iseloid
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by mushymanrob:
“she got just under 6 million votes?

i dont think so!

dunno what your hang up is regarding race either...its never made a difference, otherwise stevie wonder, motown, marvin gaye, aretha franklin, chuck berry, blah de blah de blah wouldnt have been successful over here... in fact if anything black artists have been over reprisented in our charts.

the point is that if we like a song, it makes no difference what colour the person is.... we will buy it.

hell...even racist skinheads like reggae! ”

No joke. And she did.
Anika Hanson
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by iseloid:
“I didn't bring her into it first, I was replying to a statement. I'm not doing it to big her up at all. But from what we can see, Leona has a great voice, but she reminds me of Mariah. Her voice worked very well, but not on straight pop as it did with Whitney. They are both brilliant singers. But I meant, Leona could only work on uptempos such as Forgive Me rather than Broken Heels. The songs must be tailor made for her voice.”

Mariah can do good uptempos both pop and RnB.
grazman
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by iseloid:
“I'm not. And Katy and Rihanna manage it with generic songs. It is very possible.”

Katy and Rhianna arent dull though, whatever you think of their songs, they have that va-va voom!
Anika Hanson
26-02-2012
Ive already stated the reason why I think Alex gets a hard time, but in regards to the race thing, a lot of the people that are being brought up as examples of succesful black artists are actually mixed race and are lighter skinned. There is a big difference between the way the media and society perceives light skinned black people and dark skinned black people.
Anika Hanson
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by grazman:
“Katy and Rhianna arent dull though, whatever you think of their songs, they have that va-va voom!”

Va-va voom is in the eye of the beholder.
iseloid
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by Anika Hanson:
“Mariah can do good uptempos both pop and RnB.”

Oh I know, but I was referring to her vocal style on them. She had a great vocal but it wasn't as blunt (I mean that in a good way) as Whitney's. She really used her range on it too.
JustArun
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by grazman:
“Katy and Rhianna arent dull though, whatever you think of their songs, they have that va-va voom!”

Does this mean sexually explicit? If yes, then yeah they are. If Beyonce or Christina had sang S&M or California Girls they would be branded generic, cheap and tacky.


Alexandra is a genuine raw talent, that is rare to come across. And from what I've seen she is genuinely a nice, down-to-earth woman. She can be sometimes loud and bubbly but that's who she, she has always been that way and her personality is like Marmite you either love it or hate it but it's not an excuse to be used for the hatred she gets over the past 2 years I've seen some vile comments targeted at her,her family and her background in general, I was really disappointed at seeing some of these things.This forum hates it but in today's society it is deemed as a type of prejudice.

But these arrogance and diva remarks that some of the posters on this thread have mentioned are completely false and seem to be taken out of context.

It is common knowledge that the general British public aren't too keen on strong confident women, which is a shame because Alex is a talent that could potentially represent Britain in the near future. :sleep:
miles19740
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by Anika Hanson:
“Ive already stated the reason why I think Alex gets a hard time, but in regards to the race thing, a lot of the people that are being brought up as examples of succesful black artists are actually mixed race and are lighter skinned. There is a big difference between the way the media and society perceives light skinned black people and dark skinned black people.”

I really don't see or get any of this at all. If people like a song, they will buy. If they don't, they will leave it on the shelf.

Some of the music in my collection...ABBA (Swedish), Ace Of Base (Swedish), Boney M, The Carpenters (American), Cher (American), The Corrs (Irish), Lady GaGa (American), Madonna (American), Kylie Minogue (Australian), Mel & Kim (British), Roxette (Swedish), Princess (British), Shania Twain (Canadian), Donna Summer (American), Sinitta (British) and Lonnie Gordon (American).

Do I care what race, gender, sexuality, nationality or anything else a singer may or may not be? Absolutely not. For me, it isn't an issue in my opinion.

Perhaps people aren't interested in her or her music (bar her die-hard fans) because actually she isn't very good. I don't know. I just put it out there.
Shoed
26-02-2012
why did you make this thread, it's pointless and isn't going to gain you any information you didn't know before hand.

just asking for trouble if you ask me...
iseloid
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by miles19740:
“I really don't see or get any of this at all. If people like a song, they will buy. If they don't, they will leave it on the shelf.

Some of the music in my collection...ABBA (Swedish), Ace Of Base (Swedish), Boney M, The Carpenters (American), Cher (American), The Corrs (Irish), Lady GaGa (American), Madonna (American), Kylie Minogue (Australian), Mel & Kim (British), Roxette (Swedish), Princess (British), Shania Twain (Canadian), Donna Summer (American), Sinitta (British) and Lonnie Gordon (American).

Do I care what race, gender, sexuality, nationality or anything else a singer may or may not be? Absolutely not. For me, it isn't an issue in my opinion.

Perhaps people aren't interested in her or her music (bar her die-hard fans) because actually she isn't very good. I don't know. I just put it out there.”

No, for a UK only artist, she sold over 4m records in just over a year and a half. And she had the fastest and best selling single by a british female until adele recently broke that record.
Starfire Belle
26-02-2012
I wasn't aware she was disliked by some until I came on this forum.
I'm not a fan she's bland and makes forgettable songs. She can sing well though.
miles19740
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by iseloid:
“No, for a UK only artist, she sold over 4m records in just over a year and a half. And she had the fastest and best selling single by a british female until adele recently broke that record.”

Hear'Say had the fastest selling single ever in 2001...where are they now? How long did they last? Sales in the short term don't guarantee longevity. Madonna, Kylie, Celine, Mariah and Britney are rare breeds. Most singers don't last because the GBP are fickle. They move on to 'the next big thing'.
gpk
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by Shoed:
“why did you make this thread, it's pointless and isn't going to gain you any information you didn't know before hand.

just asking for trouble if you ask me...”

i completely agree, in fact, i couldn't agree more. the race issue is a non starter in all honesty and it is something i am starting to find particularly offensive.

regardless of talent, there is no female artist that gets more `hate` than cheryl cole on these forums. nobody even comes close and alex is much more respected in comparison. however, these threads still pop up and when the question is answered her fans go on the defensive. why ask the question?
grazman
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by Starfire Belle:
“I wasn't aware she was disliked by some until I came on this forum.
I'm not a fan she's bland and makes forgettable songs. She can sing well though.”

Exactly what i think. The OP probably read a few nasty youtube comments and decided to tell us that everybody hates her. I really dont think anybodys that bothered about her, shes just another wannabe x-factor winner who in a few years time will be appearing on i'm a celebrity get me out of ere or celeb big brother. Dull music, dull image, nice singing voice but thats all. In her head she thinks she's the next Mariah Carey. Forgettable... thats a better word to describe her.
ItsTimmyTime
26-02-2012
Alexandra strikes me as somebody who is trying to be a popstar (behaviour wise, musically she is a great popstar) instead of being natural. She is loud, obnoxious, and comes across as very false. I have no hatred for her music or anything, I just find her incredibly grating in interviews, and most recently in the video for Elephant. I do believe the video destroyed that song for me!

On another note, her X Factor appearance was enjoyable for me. There were moments I didn't like where she seemed too try-hard, but I loved the impartial element she brought.
Anika Hanson
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by grazman:
“Exactly what i think. The OP probably read a few nasty youtube comments and decided to tell us that everybody hates her. I really dont think anybodys that bothered about her, shes just another wannabe x-factor winner who in a few years time will be appearing on i'm a celebrity get me out of ere or celeb big brother. Dull music, dull image, nice singing voice but thats all. In her head she thinks she's the next Mariah Carey. Forgettable... thats a better word to describe her.”

Well you said that Mariah herself is dull and forgetable, yet she is one of the most succesful female artists of all time and she is still going strong after 20 years. Therefore I think that Alex might be in with a chance
Anika Hanson
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by miles19740:
“I really don't see or get any of this at all. If people like a song, they will buy. If they don't, they will leave it on the shelf.

Some of the music in my collection...ABBA (Swedish), Ace Of Base (Swedish), Boney M, The Carpenters (American), Cher (American), The Corrs (Irish), Lady GaGa (American), Madonna (American), Kylie Minogue (Australian), Mel & Kim (British), Roxette (Swedish), Princess (British), Shania Twain (Canadian), Donna Summer (American), Sinitta (British) and Lonnie Gordon (American).

Do I care what race, gender, sexuality, nationality or anything else a singer may or may not be? Absolutely not. For me, it isn't an issue in my opinion.

Perhaps people aren't interested in her or her music (bar her die-hard fans) because actually she isn't very good. I don't know. I just put it out there.”

I also couldn't give a toss about race and such. I guess I was just making an academic point
gpk
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by Anika Hanson:
“I also couldn't give a toss about race and such. I guess I was just making an academic point”

really? i think its misinformed to be honest and racism is no laughing matter.
Anika Hanson
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by gpk:
“really? i think its misinformed to be honest and racism is no laughing matter.”

I didn't say that this was a racist issue. All I said was that those who were being pointed out as successful black artists are actually mixed race, which is different to black. I've already said why I think Alexandra gets a lot of hatrid and it had nothing to do with her race. Prehaps you should read my earlier post.
len112
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by miles19740:
“I really don't see or get any of this at all. If people like a song, they will buy. If they don't, they will leave it on the shelf.

Some of the music in my collection...ABBA (Swedish), Ace Of Base (Swedish), Boney M, The Carpenters (American), Cher (American), The Corrs (Irish), Lady GaGa (American), Madonna (American), Kylie Minogue (Australian), Mel & Kim (British), Roxette (Swedish), Princess (British), Shania Twain (Canadian), Donna Summer (American), Sinitta (British) and Lonnie Gordon (American).

Do I care what race, gender, sexuality, nationality or anything else a singer may or may not be? Absolutely not. For me, it isn't an issue in my opinion.

Perhaps people aren't interested in her or her music (bar her die-hard fans) because actually she isn't very good. I don't know. I just put it out there.”

Apart from GaGa I have all those artists in my music collection
gpk
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by Anika Hanson:
“I didn't say that this was a racist issue. All I said was that those who were being pointed out as successful black artists are actually mixed race, which is different to black. I've already said why I think Alexandra gets a lot of hatrid and it had nothing to do with her race. Prehaps you should read my earlier post.”

i will do, but i disagree about your comment about the media treating her differently because of her skin colour and it has nothing to do with people not liking her. besides, its really not that bad, the `hate` i mean. compared with other people in the media, she comes off quite well.
miles19740
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by len112:
“Apart from GaGa I have all those artists in my music collection ”

Why is it embarrassing? We all like what we like don't we.
Anika Hanson
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by gpk:
“i will do, but i disagree about your comment about the media treating her differently because of her skin colour and it has nothing to do with people not liking her. besides, its really not that bad, the `hate` i mean. compared with other people in the media, she comes off quite well.”

No I wasn't refering to Alex, I just meant that the media and society see light and black skinned black people differently in general, particlarly women. As I said I was just being Academic. I've already said the reason I feel is because she came out after Leona.
iseloid
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by gpk:
“i will do, but i disagree about your comment about the media treating her differently because of her skin colour and it has nothing to do with people not liking her. besides, its really not that bad, the `hate` i mean. compared with other people in the media, she comes off quite well.”

I particularly was referring to the media and referencing her looks frequently. And they seem to single her out A LOT. They've been doing it since 2009.
gpk
26-02-2012
Originally Posted by Anika Hanson:
“No I wasn't refering to Alex, I just meant that the media and society see light and black skinned black people differently in general, particlarly women. As I said I was just being Academic. I've already said the reason I feel is because she came out after Leona.”

maybe in the past, but not in today`s society. racism is still an issue. however, most people in the uk are not like that at all.

leona was the most successful winner globally from the uk x factor. all the winners live in her shadow commercially.
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