[Doctorwhonerd]

Hes on his 11th body so I'd assume ten. Which makes sense we've seen ten. Well nine really but the point making is does the spare hand inccedent count as a regen?

[Empirical]

Ten. The stupid hand nonsense doesn't count.

[Scorpio2]

Thats something i've always wondered but the hand stop the regeneration or cause him to look the same.

[Doctorwhonerd]

Originally Posted by Empirical

Ten. The stupid hand nonsense doesn't count.

Makes sense.

[eleya]

Presumably the same amount of regeneration energy was used during the meta crisis regeneration as in a normal regeneration. Therefore the meta crisis would count as a regeneration.

In 'The Next Doctor', when the 10th Doctor believed Jackson Lake to be a future version of himself, he actually described him as 'the next doctor or the one after that'. This would have equated to Jackson being the 11th or 12th Doctor, so we can assume the 10th Doctor himself considered that he only had two future incarnations remaining.

However for all we know regeneration energy maybe infinite and the 13 lives limit could simply be because the physical body can't cope with any more regenerations. Perhaps a Time Lords cells can only survive a certain number of regenerations before failing, even though there may be more regeneration energy left.

An analogy would be a car engine might fail due to excessive wear and tear, even though the petrol tank was still full.

[Granny McSmith]

Originally Posted by eleya

Presumably the same amount of regeneration energy was used during the meta crisis regeneration as in a normal regeneration. Therefore the meta crisis would count as a regeneration.

In 'The Next Doctor', when the 10th Doctor believed Jackson Lake to be a future version of himself, he actually described him as 'the next doctor or the one after that'. This would have equated to Jackson being the 11th or 12th Doctor, so we can assume the 10th Doctor himself considered that he only had two future incarnations remaining.

However for all we know regeneration energy maybe infinite and the 13 lives limit could simply be because the physical body can't cope with any more regenerations. Perhaps a Time Lords cells can only survive a certain number of regenerations before failing, even though there may be more regeneration energy left.

An analogy would be a car engine might fail due to excessive wear and tear, even though the petrol tank was still full.

507, isn't it, now?

[eleya]

Originally Posted by Granny McSmith

507, isn't it, now?

I got the impression that was a tongue in cheek reply from the Doctor to shut Clyde up

Of course they will find a way around the limit, or simply ignore it.

Perhaps the Doctor will be resurrected,similar to how the Master has been resurrected at least twice now, giving him another full cycle of regenerations. Or maybe the limit was originally imposed by the High Council as a means of controlling the Time Lord population and as such simply no longer applies now they aren't around.

[Lazlo Wolf]

I can deal with the regeneration limit in one line:

"If the park-keepers had left, if nobody else was ever coming into the park again, would you keep off the grass?"

It's really not an issue.

[The Alpha Gamer]

What about River using all her regenerations on him? Does that count? And if so, how many? =P

[Face Of Jack]

Well. by my reckoning - Matt Smith is the TENTH regeneration. There can be no arguement about this surely!
Simples!

[JAS84]

Originally Posted by The Alpha Gamer

What about River using all her regenerations on him? Does that count? And if so, how many? =P

River was on her third body (she regenerated once as a toddler and again as Mels), so would've passed on 10 regenerations.

[nattoyaki]

Originally Posted by eleya

Presumably the same amount of regeneration energy was used during the meta crisis regeneration as in a normal regeneration. Therefore the meta crisis would count as a regeneration.
....

For me that's a bit like saying a man's baby-making 'stuff' still works the same whether or not the recipient of said baby-making 'stuff' is on the pill, unable to conceive, etc etc.

(Not sure what we can or can't say on here regarding this stuff so playing it safe, so to speak - I don't normally talk like this of course )

Originally Posted by JAS84

River was on her third body (she regenerated once as a toddler and again as Mels), so would've passed on 10 regenerations.

That we know of. There could have been more. For me it's irrelevant how many she had left - it was the power she passed on. And isn't it moot now all the Timelords are gone now anyway?

[Mulett]

Thank goodness no one's mention all those faces from Brain of Morbius!

[pajs1000]

Originally Posted by Mulett

Thank goodness no one's mention all those faces from Brain of Morbius!

Was that when we were shown pre Hartnell regenerations?

[Mulett]

Originally Posted by pajs1000

Was that when we were shown pre Hartnell regenerations?

Well, some may argue that . .

[johnnysaucepn]

There are too many questions that haven't been addressed or answered to know what the situation is.

Assuming it's a natural biological limit - is the limit in how much regeneration energy can be created by the Time Lord body, or is the limit in how many times the cells can renew themselves?

If the former, then the aborted regeneration would count. If the latter, then it wouldn't. There's not enough info to tell which way it goes.

[lordOfTime]

Doc 10 - 9 regenerations.

Except then you get to TSE/JE. The regeneration process starts. He starts to regenerate but uses the spare hand to go through enough regeneration to heal himself and then stop before his body changes.

Doc 10. 9.5 regenerations.

Then you get end of time in which the Doctor regenerates fully and becomes doc 11.

Doc 11 10.5 regenerations.

You get to series 6. The Impossible Astronaut. The Doctor appears to begin to regenerate. Says "I'm sorry" and then the process starts untill he is shot and the process is interrupted as he is killed before the process is completed.

Doc 11 11 regenerations. Yes?

Except the Doctor at that point was hidden inside a Tesslector body which obviously somehow was designed to mimic regeneration. He was safe inside the burning body and then made his escape.

So... for me this is Doc 11. 10.5 regenerations.

[The_abbott]

I don't count all the fake regenerations. he's had 10 and has two more in the tank.

[Demolished Man]

This is his eleventh body and he's regenerated ten times. There are eight other previous incarnations seen in 'The Brain of Morbius' which the production team intended to be the Doctor, but the fifth Doctor categorically states in 'Mawdryn Undead' that he's regenerated four times and only has eight bodies left.

However, even the 'thirteen lives' thing hasn't ever been an absolute - the story that introduced the concept, 'The Deadly Assassin', was actually about the Master trying to live beyond the limit, and on at least one occasion he's been offered a way of gaining a new regeneration cycle and the new series Master has regained the ability to regenerate after his vaguely defined 'resurrection'.

In fact, what the Master is attempting to do in 'The Deadly Assassin' - trying to absorb a vast amount of energy from the Eye of Harmony in order to kick start a new cycle - is pretty much the same thing that happened to the ninth Doctor when he absorbed the energy of the time vortex from Rose. His only subsequent regeneration was pretty catastrophic, after all; maybe he's unwittingly given himself a new life cycle.

[CoalHillJanitor]

We haven't mentioned yet that the Second Doctor referred to his 'renewal' as being 'part of the TARDIS'. We also know that the Time Lords were quite strict about 'unauthorised capsules', so perhaps their control over TARDIS possession was a way of regulating regenerations.

[LordofGallifrey]

I know I've a poor memory but I have a feeling the the 10th gave one of his regenerations in order to keep the TARDIS alive in Rise of the Cybermen.

The hand regeneration should count as we wound up with another incarnation of the Doc, which I'm sure we'll see at some point in the next couple of years,

However when River gave all of her regenerations to save the Doctor does he receive the ability to use all of those regenerations????

I guess we will only ever know when it is written by the mighty Moff or whoever succeeds him or when the BBC decide that they are no longer making enough cash by ripping off kids (& parents) and decide to kill the character off to enable them to sell it to Hollywood so that they can Re-boot it in a movie franchise with the American Dr Who.

[johnnysaucepn]

Originally Posted by LordofGallifrey

I know I've a poor memory but I have a feeling the the 10th gave one of his regenerations in order to keep the TARDIS alive in Rise of the Cybermen.

It was something like "100 years of my life", which is nicely ambiguous.

[jimbo_bob]

Originally Posted by johnnysaucepn

It was something like "100 years of my life", which is nicely ambiguous.

It was 10 years as it happens - still ambiguous...just 90 years less so. That sounded better in my head

[johnnysaucepn]

Originally Posted by jimbo_bob

It was 10 years as it happens - still ambiguous...just 90 years less so. That sounded better in my head

Ah, an even less significant sacrifice!