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Pep Guardiola who has won more in 6 seasons of management than Ancelotti has in 20.
But he's just a clueless tactical idiot. |
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Please take him now. Winning the Bundesliga is not a major achievement for Bayern I'm afraid. Jupp Heynckes' Bayern did not need changing. Being second rate to Real and Barca is not good enough for Bayern Munich. I don't think Pep gets that.
Just find it utterly baffling when fans of other big sides are so desperate to fix what isn't broken. Just wait till you end up with someone as ineffective as David Moyes, then you'll be dreaming of the good ol' days
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the most recent reports I heard on it all suggested he would be staying, but who knows.
Makes me wonder who will take over from him for next season, before they can buy anyone next summer. |
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He has apparently turned down their very latest contract offer, and there is set to be a press conference next week with him to announce his departure from the club.
Makes me wonder who will take over from him for next season, before they can buy anyone next summer. |
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I agree. But still, you have a fine manager now who can hardly be criticised for doing what is expected of him (win the league and have good go at lifting the CL trophy). I do think that if he leaves Bayern without winning the CL he'll probably see it as a disappointment himself, but it would be a minor blemish on a seriously impressive managerial CV.
Just find it utterly baffling when fans of other big sides are so desperate to fix what isn't broken. Just wait till you end up with someone as ineffective as David Moyes, then you'll be dreaming of the good ol' days ![]() and Klinsmann.Pep is not the worst coach we ever had, but when you have had Heynckes and Hitzfeld the bar is set high. I have no confidence in Pep's ability to take Bayern to a CL title. He has made no positive changes at Bayern whatsoever. They have become much weaker since he arrived, I have no faith in his suicidal tactics and he just doesn't fit into the club's mentality. Quote:
Can you imagine the uproar if Klopp rocked up there? (He might as well. Bayern like anything Dortmund produced or refined).
The two coaches I would love to see at Bayern are either Ancelotti or Low. |
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With all the noise about Klopp, he is not a manager who can manage a really big club.
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Strong rumours (or Balague spouting off) that Benitez is set to be approached by Real Madrid.
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Strong rumours (or Balague spouting off) that Benitez is set to be approached by Real Madrid.
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Might be a good thing, would De Gea want to be managed by him? It might make him think twice about going to Real if they did appoint him.
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It really wouldn't.
Even if it is false hope! |
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de Gea to RM and Bale in the opposite direction? Joke is Carlo might be asked to stay on as manager as Zidane doesn't fancy it yet and there's no-one else. What a club....
Congrats to Juve on the double; first Cup win for 20 years. Pogba still looking v rusty and no Marchisio. Hopefully not injured. |
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Might be a good thing, would De Gea want to be managed by him? It might make him think twice about going to Real if they did appoint him.
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Have Rafa and De Gea had a massive bust up? If not, why would De Gea not go if he was adamant on going?
Which of course, has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that he used to manage Liverpool. |
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It was a not-so-thinly-veiled dig at Benitez.
Which of course, has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that he used to manage Liverpool. He has been at some very good clubs, and still he has only got those titles at Valencia to show for it (terrific as they were at the time,they are a long time ago now). It was not a dig either, I was questioning if De Gea thought he could accomplish all of his hopes and dreams at Real Madrid with Rafa as his boss, or would he be more likely to do so with LvG at Manchester United? Perhaps the pull of his family means more to him than whichever manager manages him, if so, then he probably will leave England, but if he has any doubts about Rafa, then he could stay. Rafa does have a high reputation, but it isn't based on winning leagues, well not in recent times it is not anyway. |
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No, it has nothing to do with him being an ex-Liverpool manager, and more to do with his overall C.V. which in terms of doing well in leagues, and league titles is not very good at all.
He has been at some very good clubs, and still he has only got those titles at Valencia to show for it (terrific as they were at the time,they are a long time ago now). It was not a dig either, I was questioning if De Gea thought he could accomplish all of his hopes and dreams at Real Madrid with Rafa as his boss, or would he be more likely to do so with LvG at Manchester United? Perhaps the pull of his family means more to him than whichever manager manages him, if so, then he probably will leave England, but if he has any doubts about Rafa, then he could stay. Rafa does have a high reputation, but it isn't based on winning leagues, well not in recent times it is not anyway. Plus, De Gea is early 20's, if he went to Real Madrid next season and performed as we know he can, it would only be a matter of time before he did realise those hopes and dreams. |
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No, it has nothing to do with him being an ex-Liverpool manager, and more to do with his overall C.V. which in terms of doing well in leagues, and league titles is not very good at all.
He has been at some very good clubs, and still he has only got those titles at Valencia to show for it (terrific as they were at the time,they are a long time ago now). It was not a dig either, I was questioning if De Gea thought he could accomplish all of his hopes and dreams at Real Madrid with Rafa as his boss, or would he be more likely to do so with LvG at Manchester United? Perhaps the pull of his family means more to him than whichever manager manages him, if so, then he probably will leave England, but if he has any doubts about Rafa, then he could stay. Rafa does have a high reputation, but it isn't based on winning leagues, well not in recent times it is not anyway. La Liga, Champions League, Europa League, FA Cup. He's won them all. No player joins/doesn't join Real Madrid because of who the manager is. |
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Benitez has an excellent C.V.
La Liga, Champions League, Europa League, FA Cup. He's won them all. No player joins/doesn't join Real Madrid because of who the manager is. |
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Yes I mentioned his league winners time at Valencia, but that was a very long while ago now, since then, he has become a cup specialist, rather than a league winning manager, even though he has been in charge of some very high profile clubs.
Inter? Maybe. That's it. |
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And which of those clubs had a realistic chance of winning the league, whilst he was there?
Inter? Maybe. That's it. If you want to win a league title, as presumably Real Madrid do, then hiring Rafa is not the ideal way to go about things of that nature. Want to have a good shot at winning the Champions League, he is your man, Europa League in your sights, he is your man, FA Cup, Coppa del Ray? Put him in charge, but winning a league is not really what he is known for. |
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He got Liverpool close as we well know, but not over the last crucial final hurdle.
If you want to win a league title, as presumably Real Madrid do, then hiring Rafa is not the ideal way to go about things of that nature. Want to have a good shot at winning the Champions League, he is your man, Europa League in your sights, he is your man, FA Cup, Coppa del Ray? Put him in charge, but winning a league is not really what he is known for. Regardless of how long ago it was, do you seriously think that he's such an inept buffoon in the league that he won't have a real shot at the title with a club like Madrid? |
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He's already won that league, with a much smaller club.
Regardless of how long ago it was, do you seriously think that he's such an inept buffoon in the league that he won't have a real shot at the title with a club like Madrid? How much will Barca's upcoming transfer ban hurt them next season, in terms of being able to replace players like Alves, that is yet to be seen, that could of course play right into Real Madrid's hands. Putting that to one side for the moment, are Real bringing a new manager in to just challenge for the league title, or to win it, I suppose it is very much a case of the latter, they seemingly demand the league title each and every year, as a bare minimum, and even then, sometimes that is not enough to save a manager from the sack! So bringing Rafa in, who yes does have a history of winning that particular league title, but under vastly different circumstances, is a risk, (just as every appointment is a risk) but it is a risk that has more negatives than positives I personally think, and that doesn't have anything to do with him being an old Liverpool manager, just more to do with his career as a whole. I think there are more suitable candidates then him around, and personally I would stick with Carlo, but that doesn't seem like it is going to happen. |
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regardless of if they should stick with ancelotti or not, rafa is a big manager who will win stuff with madrid bats.
one champions league will be enough to go 3 years without title. but even then i am sure he CAN win a title, its not like he doesnt have a clue. |
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regardless of if they should stick with ancelotti or not, rafa is a big manager who will win stuff with madrid bats.
one champions league will be enough to go 3 years without title. but even then i am sure he CAN win a title, its not like he doesnt have a clue. It is all about who is more likely to win a league title Rafa or someone else, and depending on who that someone else is, then the odds don't favour Rafa in my eyes. Yes he can win the league, he is not an inept manager, he is a good manager, just not in with the very best for me. |
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well neither was ramos? but he won la liga iirc
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It's because he was Liverpool boss. You can pretend to pay tribute to him here but are probably lolling your head off on Twitter.
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