I love that chorus bit, I can't wait to dance to it on tour

I think this album will make her stronger. She will realise that the dancing around getting her fanny out for everyone just isnt cutting it anymore and will come back with a huge serious single to show what madonna is all about.

Shes reinvented herself so many times. i just feel shes trying to mark her teritory with the likes of gaga and beyonce and rihanna to shows whos boss, but its having the wrong effect.

I think she just wants to have one last fling with dance and this is her way of saying "Look, if I'm going to be 60 in 7 years time, I want to enjoy myself a bit longer!" I have no doubt at all that she will always bring out up temp tracks, but her attitudes about doing it will change in due course.

Is Madonna trying too hard to stay youthful?

I guess it's down to personal opinion. I can see what the OP means, she is 53 and it is all too easy to become 'mutton as lamb'. I have liked her since the 80s and her 2 new songs IMO seem to be aimed at younger people rather than older ones like me. And they're not my cup of tea, Masterpiece I do love though.

But, she IS Madonna and she will continue to do whatever she likes and that's one of the things I like about her.

She does sometimes come off as trying too hard to appeal to the younger audience.

Mr. Orbit did produce this album, and i happen to like it.

To be honest Josh, I just wonder if some people are just being hypocritical about it all. Whether it's Tina, Madonna, Cher or even the late Eartha, I don't see what's the problem looking sexy, sexual and revealing some flesh especially if you have the body for it and comfortable with it at the age of 50+. I personally Cher's revealing outfits are just tacky and lazy but it's nothing to do with her age just to do with the fact we've seen the same old act for decades!? On the other hand, Grace Jones, Tina Turner and yes, Madonna look absolutely stunning in the same outfits and there's something sexy about them. What I don't get is why it is acceptable for the likes of katy perry, Rihanna, gag and so on to trot half-naked looking tacky, cheap and slutty because they are young but it is not for 'mature' women to reveal a bit of flesh because they are not 20 anymore...Rant over!?

of course, there are double standards, people have certain expectations on how people of a certain age should look. it is a form of hypocrisy since people are not offended by a much younger female dressing a similar way. its a mixture of certain expectations of how a woman of her age should look and the ago old issue of people struggling with their own mortality. the imagery has been manipulated, yet she does look amazing for her age due to her strict regimes and probable cosmetic enhancements.

in short people look at that image and think its inappropriate. yet i bet there are some people that feel envious at the same time. she puts young and old people to shame. that bugs people.

She has to imitate youth because she hasn't matured. Older Madonna would be interesting. Madonna confronting middle age and showing she's still a woman to be reckoned with would be interesting. Madonna getting hatchet jobs done on her face and desperately trying to be 28 is just tedious and a bit pathetic.

i think she is. Well she accomplished herself already!! Should she just call it a career???

maybe but i think she wants to have another no.1 hit here in america she has 12 number ones maybe she wants to go to 13. if girl gone wild is a better song from gimme all your love then it has the potential to get hit number 13. also she's inspired alot of artists of the likes of britney spears, lady gaga, rihanna, beyonce and katy perry and they have praised her as one of the greats ever.

i think she'll probably get another no.1 here in america if its catchy enough for the younger audience who listen to mainstream music radio.

i think its undignified, a mature woman of her age should be able to portray a 'sexy' image without trying to be a slutty teenager. other acts of her generation can do it... annie lennox, alison moyet, kate bush, siouxsie (who looks stunning)...

but then again, the raunchier the act, the poorer the material (generally, madge has combined the two successfully in the distant past).

bravo! well said.

If Madonna was a man no one would have a problem with her ''trying to be youthful'' but because she is a woman its not allowed.

Society has a double standard when it comes to women.

Exactly! It is utterly rediculous really, and also bias too!

I mean IMO the three hottest women on the planet Madonna, Angelina Jolie, Jennifer Aniston get rediculed as much as they are appreciated. And its disgusting.

When you are as stunning and striking as Madonna is why would you want to mock it, take or dumb it down? it doesnt make sense!

and YES Alex Maluga! Cher only looks tacky now in a lot of her costumes due to the style and she has had the same style for a while...but its not as rediculed. Whereas Madonna does something left-of-centre and unconventional and people try and take it all down.

It is a depressing state of affairs. If you want a matured older lady who is still eccentric in her ways go for Stevie Nicks, PJ Harvey or Kate Bush...stunning and remarkable ladies but have never necessarily been "sexualised" or been overtly sexual within performances.

But if you want the full, no holds barred woman in music, Madonna and grace jones prove that being sexy is ageless if you can do it right

Now damn lets just enjoy the music shall we?

Josh Pinder, no disrespect intended but can i ask if you think Madonna is stunning in real life/unairbrished candid shots as she is in her airbrushed ones?
To me she looks like a different person.

How do you mean? You mean when she is being harassed by the paparazzi? When she is inbetween her fitness regime/Kabballah sessions with her family? When the Paps take pictures out of focus and change em? etc.

Well i definitely think she is stunning in everyday shots...right? I mean we all have our everyday lives and scrub up for our jobs because we have to. And Madonna may be in her trackie bottms, have hoods/hats over her, no makeup or whatever but when she scrubs up she looks stunning, like when she promoted W.E recently at the film festivals...she is a very sexy lady!

She reminds me a lot of Bette Davis in her prime, like that really dangerous beauty but Madonna gives it a warrior spin I love that!

So yeah in my personal opinion she does look stunning when she performs on tour, promoting etc.

This is the Madonna I love.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txj3e...eature=related

Beautiful isnt it

Yeah we are gonna have more like that...some trippy stuff...cannot wait to hear it.

Orbit basically has said Luvin, Wild (and i think Turn Up The Radio) are the only songs they made "radio friendly" for MDNA really. The album will be dark and "savage" (his words) cannot wait to hear it though.

Love Spent and Falling Free just scream to me that they will be massive ballads

You cant compare Madonna to Jennifer Aniston or Angelina in this particular topic about being youthful...Jennifer and Angelina are muucchhhh younger than mid 50's Madonna. Its simply out of context

Exactly!!

Madonna is TOO GOOD to be making a prat out of herself. The airbrushing is beyond belief. They've made her look like a cartoon character and its so unreal...

She looked nothing like her airbrushed pics she came on Graham Norton...She looked like a handsome mid 50 something that looked healthy and normal.

Yes, but those artists although I love them were never particularly sexual or did the kind of pop/dance music Madonna does. There's this myth that because you get older, you change. You are who you are. Madonna's a sexual person, that's part of her identity. Why should she give up who she is because it offends people? Conversely, it would be just as bad if say when Kate Bush was younger people tried to make her be sexual when that's not her. Let everyone be the kind of artist that feels right for them.

I think sex is used to sell poor music, but that's more in the case of teenage artists who have no control over the kind of music they do. That doesn't apply to Madonna. She's in charge of who she is and what music she does. Her sexual image unlike some younger pop artists wasn't created by a record company, it was a reflection of who she is.

From some of the reviews I've read, this album does have some serious songs too. I don't know how many of her albums you've listened to, but almost all of her albums have fun uptempo dancey songs and more serious songs. I'm sure MDNA will be no different.
Madonna is a dance influenced artist. That is what she loves and what she does best, although she has other influences. You can't expect her to totally give up the dance element to her music just because she's older. We don't expect Van Halen to stop rocking because they are older because they are a rock band. Madonna is partly about dance music. She can't completely abandon that and still be Madonna.

SO true i mean let us not forget that is what the concept of Express Yourself is...being free, living for yourself...which is why in the video she symbolised the neverending chain around her neck...someone didnt put it there she did it herself.

Oh yeah and the whole Erotica album not being "erotic" but exploring the foundations of relationships and a journey of love. and the SEX book FFS! which was an ironic spin on "sex sells" no management telling her to sell something sexually but her own creation...which is why it was faced with backlash...as she was/is in total control of it.

And Madonna now, she continues to explore...people wont "get it" but then again they never will...the MDNA front cover proves she can master a sophisticated/absurd style of sexiness and make it work. And the Wild cover showcases that yes she can wear her underwear and embrace her own sexuality as an ultimate "fu*k you" to those who say she should give up.

And also mentioning Kate Bush there (my fave female artist up there with M and grace jones) with her being in control and not becoming a sex puppet to sell her songs...Kate Bush is very attractive but her surreal style is the reason i think so

So it is indeed very different....but at the end of the day i love an artist that is in total control and knows what they are doing and still becomes a massive topic

Totally! MDNA isnt about "Dance" music to keep up with Rihanna, Britney, gaga, Katy Perry etc. It is explorative it sounds like.

There will be Dance, there will be mid-tempos and ballads...and it will come from a dark place which is why i reckon we have been only introduced to Luvin and Wild....as the real meat of the album is on its way.

But Madonna is very much "Dance" music as she started off in Clubs performing in her band at the time in the late 70s/early 80s (Emmy, Breakfast Club) so it very much is in her genes, and why not. But there will be so much going on this album.

I don't think he's saying they're the same age or get ridiculed for being old. But Jennifer and Angelina even though they're beautiful get criticized a lot for their weight or their hairstyles or how they dress even though they're very attractive. The media picks on people for their looks usually women, even when those people are extremely beautiful. It's a very negative thing because it makes us average people feel we can never be good enough if even beautiful people are somehow not measuring up to some impossible standard.