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Old 12-03-2012, 12:45
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Apple bought siri, they didn't invent it.
As someone has already said, Google Voice is a unified telecom solution, siri is an assistant app. It's like saying that a helicopter is a rip-off of a bike.
well it was...I had a bike when I was younger it was called a chopper. Coincidence, I think not

I really am showing my age with the reference to a chopper bike!
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Old 12-03-2012, 13:01
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I saw that chart the other day. I love how they've kind of repeated the "can use two apps side by side" four times!
Haha, yep, even as an Android fan they overdid it with that chart!

multitasking with two or more apps on screen at the same time would be an obvious use of iPad's shiny new high-res display, but it seems Apple are going down a different route.

e.g. having a twitter/google+/facebook feed in one part then browsing/reading in the other bit. Like we do with our desktops/laptops.
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Old 12-03-2012, 13:31
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Due to get my 3rd gen ipad on Friday. Can anyone reccommend a good folio style case? Or is it a case of waiting a while before they become available?
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Old 12-03-2012, 13:41
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This is an interesting Comparison chart between the ipad3 and the samsung galaxy note 10.1.
What a contrived comparison chart, smacks totally of clutching at straws. Of 7 comparison points, 4 are the same thing.
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Old 12-03-2012, 13:48
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multitasking with two or more apps on screen at the same time would be an obvious use of iPad's shiny new high-res display, but it seems Apple are going down a different route.

e.g. having a twitter/google+/facebook feed in one part then browsing/reading in the other bit. Like we do with our desktops/laptops.
Just get a second iPad ! (Wouldn't surprise me if the Android fanboys on here suggest that is Apple's secret evil plan).

As a techie, even though I am an Apple fanboy, I would also like to see multiple windows on the screen, but that is not the way Apple is going. I am tempted to say, in their infinite wisdom (!?), they know what they're doing. I say this because I watch people like my wife use her Mac at home - she does not take advantage of multitasking and just gets confused when there are extra windows on the screen. I think she is more like 90% of the Apple target market than myself or the rest of you guys on this forum.
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Old 12-03-2012, 13:52
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What a contrived comparison chart, smacks totally of clutching at straws. Of 7 comparison points, 4 are the same thing.
Haha ! Yes 'even' I can see that the comparison chart is poor
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Old 12-03-2012, 13:56
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Just get a second iPad ! (Wouldn't surprise me if the Android fanboys on here suggest that is Apple's secret evil plan).

As a techie, even though I am an Apple fanboy, I would also like to see multiple windows on the screen, but that is not the way Apple is going. I am tempted to say, in their infinite wisdom (!?), they know what they're doing. I say this because I watch people like my wife use her Mac at home - she does not take advantage of multitasking and just gets confused when there are extra windows on the screen. I think she is more like 90% of the Apple target market than myself or the rest of you guys on this forum.
Another area that Apple are superb at is convincing people that a feature isnt 'needed' if they dont have it.

Many people wont ever need this, or can manage without Flash (another classic example) but for those that DO need these there are options in other operating systems.
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Old 12-03-2012, 14:07
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Another area that Apple are superb at is convincing people that a feature isnt 'needed' if they dont have it.
..and convincing people that a feature they do have is a 'game changer' must have. If apple had two apps side by side, it would be a game changer. A good enough reason to upgrade to the latest ipad. Since they dont, its a waste of time.

The comparison chart, was made in jest by someone. That much is obvious. Its poking fun at apple, in that its highlighting a feature that the other doesnt have and going overboard.
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Old 12-03-2012, 14:10
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And that if I buy songs through iTunes I can't easily port them to a non apple player.
iTunes music is all AAC/.m4a, and free from DRM. I would have thought that most (all?) media players would now be able to handle AAC?
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Old 12-03-2012, 14:49
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Has anyone here who ordered an iPad had any strange emails today from (or claiming to be from) Apple?

I had two this morning, apologising for my unsuccessful order and saying that my card authorisation was going to be reversed. Neither had an order number for an order I'd placed, and neither matched the standard order number format (i.e. a W at the start).

Could be phishing, but they seemed genuine (other than the order number weirdness).

I'm hoping it's simply some sort of system screw up caused by the repeated order attempts on Wednesday night... maybe some of those repeated "oops!" orders did actually partially go through (which would explain my bank blocking my card when I was going through the endless re-ordering).

Other people have had the issue too: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1338838
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Old 12-03-2012, 14:54
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What a contrived comparison chart, smacks totally of clutching at straws. Of 7 comparison points, 4 are the same thing.
Don't forget that if you have one app open, you can also view another app at the same time.
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Old 12-03-2012, 14:57
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..and convincing people that a feature they do have is a 'game changer' must have. If apple had two apps side by side, it would be a game changer. A good enough reason to upgrade to the latest ipad. Since they dont, its a waste of time.

The comparison chart, was made in jest by someone. That much is obvious. Its poking fun at apple, in that its highlighting a feature that the other doesnt have and going overboard.
Apparently the chart was made in all seriousness, and distributed to the media, by Samsung, in response to Apple's comparison of the A5X chip v the tegra 3.
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Old 12-03-2012, 15:08
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Apparently the chart was made in all seriousness, and distributed to the media, by Samsung, in response to Apple's comparison of the A5X chip v the tegra 3.
Well thats the Samsung equivalent of Apple photoshopping a picture of the Samsung tablet to make it look more like the iPad.

Both very silly ..... and both highlighting the pettiness of all of this company bickering
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Old 12-03-2012, 15:09
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Has anyone here who ordered an iPad had any strange emails today from (or claiming to be from) Apple?

I had two this morning, apologising for my unsuccessful order and saying that my card authorisation was going to be reversed. Neither had an order number for an order I'd placed, and neither matched the standard order number format (i.e. a W at the start).

Could be phishing, but they seemed genuine (other than the order number weirdness).

I'm hoping it's simply some sort of system screw up caused by the repeated order attempts on Wednesday night... maybe some of those repeated "oops!" orders did actually partially go through (which would explain my bank blocking my card when I was going through the endless re-ordering).

Other people have had the issue too: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1338838
I haven't had any e-mails like that.

I got an e-mail from Apple straight after ordering my iPad on Wednesday/early Thursday morning and then one on Saturday saying it had been dispatched for delivery on Friday.

I got a good few of those 'Oops' error pages while trying to order so I wouldn't have thought would have caused any problems.

I'd check your order status on the Apple Store website and perhaps phone/e-mail Apple to let them know. Sounds like a phishing e-mail to me.
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Old 12-03-2012, 16:00
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Has anyone here who ordered an iPad had any strange emails today from (or claiming to be from) Apple?

I had two this morning, apologising for my unsuccessful order and saying that my card authorisation was going to be reversed. Neither had an order number for an order I'd placed, and neither matched the standard order number format (i.e. a W at the start).

Could be phishing, but they seemed genuine (other than the order number weirdness).

I'm hoping it's simply some sort of system screw up caused by the repeated order attempts on Wednesday night... maybe some of those repeated "oops!" orders did actually partially go through (which would explain my bank blocking my card when I was going through the endless re-ordering).

Other people have had the issue too: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1338838
I had one, and rang them to look into it. At first I assumed it was a problem with the iPad order, so wanted to make sure it was still OK.

I made sure I rang the number on the Apple site though, in case it was phishing.

It turned out to be one of the aborted attempts at ordering on Wednesday had gotten as far as authorising a payment before erroring out. So I think it is a genuine email from Apple at least.
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Old 12-03-2012, 16:37
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Another area that Apple are superb at is convincing people that a feature isnt 'needed' if they dont have it.

Many people wont ever need this, or can manage without Flash (another classic example) but for those that DO need these there are options in other operating systems.
I don't think Apple would have any problem at all implementing multiple windows if they so desired to do. The point I am making is that it is a strategic decision to leave it out. And a lot of Apple's success is actually due to knowing what to leave out, rather than what to put in. This is what causes a lot of the irrational hatred of Apple by the Android fanboys who will rage at the lack of features when those features have been consciously excluded.
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Old 12-03-2012, 16:46
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And a lot of Apple's success is actually due to knowing what to leave out, rather than what to put in. This is what causes a lot of the irrational hatred of Apple by the Android fanboys who will rage at the lack of features when those features have been consciously excluded.
sure but then you find down the line that those features are then added. The original iphone was missing cut n paste, MMS messaging, stuff which I agree might overcomplicate it for the Apple target user, and which power users miss more. What happens though is that Apple then introduce the 'missing' features in later version.

Perhaps they prefer to wait till they can run multiple apps as smoothly as it can single-tasking, but it doesn't mean there's "irrational hatred" and "rage". It's a recognition that Apple products are not the best choice for everyone, despite what they might want you to think, or what their staunch defenders believe.

Conversely you'll get some of the more....enthusiastic Appleytes coming out with stuff like "no, I *prefer* that my idevice doesn't have Flash/notifications/a smaller screen". Then change their tune when the missing functionality is in the next version
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Old 12-03-2012, 16:55
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The smaller screen is an interesting one, as it does have a very specific tangible advantage. It enables the average user to operate the phone comfortably with a single hand. If the screen was even an inch or so larger, that wouldn't be the case.
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Old 12-03-2012, 17:11
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The smaller screen is an interesting one, as it does have a very specific tangible advantage. It enables the average user to operate the phone comfortably with a single hand. If the screen was even an inch or so larger, that wouldn't be the case.
I have a Desire HD, I have no problems using it one-handed (my hands are average size, whatever that is). The Galaxy Note is too big to use one-handed. Most phones that have a bigger screen than the iphone are easily used with one hand.

The iphone screen is small, it can be increased and still be used with one hand.
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Old 12-03-2012, 17:45
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The smaller screen is an interesting one, as it does have a very specific tangible advantage. It enables the average user to operate the phone comfortably with a single hand. If the screen was even an inch or so larger, that wouldn't be the case.
I have no problem on my 4.3" Galaxy S2.

That's not to say that bigger = automatically better. But as long as it fits comfortably in my pocket (and it does, better than most phones I've owned, which have been thicker, and mostly heavier), it works for me.

What will you say when the iphone 5, sorry "new iphone", has a bigger screen?
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Old 12-03-2012, 17:54
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I have no problem on my 4.3" Galaxy S2.

That's not to say that bigger = automatically better. But as long as it fits comfortably in my pocket (and it does, better than most phones I've owned, which have been thicker, and mostly heavier), it works for me.

What will you say when the iphone 5, sorry "new iphone", has a bigger screen?
I'll say the exact same thing - that a bigger screen isn't necessarily a benefit if it becomes harder to comfortably use the phone with one hand. My hands are probably smaller than average, and my thumb would certainly have to stretch to the corners if the screen was any bigger.

None of that is to say that there aren't advantages in having a bigger screen.
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Old 12-03-2012, 18:35
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I don't think Apple would have any problem at all implementing multiple windows if they so desired to do. The point I am making is that it is a strategic decision to leave it out. And a lot of Apple's success is actually due to knowing what to leave out, rather than what to put in. This is what causes a lot of the irrational hatred of Apple by the Android fanboys who will rage at the lack of features when those features have been consciously excluded.
Exactly why you need a devil's advocate like Consumer Reports?
"Because someone has to"

You could get a 32GB memory upgrade for £14 the other day. Obviously only for those who wished for an SD slot.
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Old 12-03-2012, 19:29
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What will you say when the iphone 5, sorry "new iphone", has a bigger screen?
TBH this is one area I think Apple could improve on, going to about 4 inches should increase the size of the device much but make it more usable.

Anything bigger than the Galaxy S2 would make the device to large for me personally.
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Old 12-03-2012, 22:19
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iTunes music is all AAC/.m4a, and free from DRM. I would have thought that most (all?) media players would now be able to handle AAC?
Yep, sounds like someone just haven't updated their anti apple rant for a few years
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Old 12-03-2012, 22:21
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My point is that I agree with you!

There are a lot of people who genuinely believe that apple invented this stuff ......

Microsoft ...... Nokia ...... been doing this for ages ..... and I was responding to a post that someone made about android rushing out android as a copy of iOS. My time frames were stated to make it pretty clear that android was around conceptually since way before the first iPhone. As were various other app stores and touch screen devices.

Even windows mobile has been around longer (I loved my windows HTC Raphael! )
You don't, the hypothetical "moron" you are relying on to make the argument is just a nonstarter. Its nothing more than a strawman.

The fact remains that before ipad the tablet market was dead, with ms and the rest failing for a decade at the task. Yet you bring it up as if it has any meaning at all.
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