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Old 04-03-2012, 03:56
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Is it the case that the wi-fi doesn't have GPS built in and so even when tethered won't support map services etc ?
I am swithering about buying the 3G for flexibility later on, although +£100 is a lot of money for "just in case" since I have an iPhone and can tether ( need to find out if Vodaphone charge for this ).

I too will go 64Gb ( unless the fabled 128Gb gets released ), I did read a report that Apple will drop the 32Gb order and go back to 16Gb but this sounds like nonsense on a tablet designed to support HD.

And I think black may win over white , suspect white case may show wear and tear more.
Yeah, the WiFi only models do not have GPS. I've seen some stories saying that if a WiFi iPad is tethered to an iPhone, it will get GPS info from the iPhone... But I have also seen stories saying that is not true. If it doesn't work, then all you'd get on the WiFi iPad, whether tethered or not, would be location info based on WiFi access points.

Still, when I need accurate location info, I have the GPS on my iPhone...never wanted mapping on the iPad myself.

Dropping 32GB does sound ridiculous, given that the "iPad 3" will allegedly be capable of 1080p video. It may be that Apple will drop the 32GB iPad 2, and just keep the 16GB model as a cheaper entry level iPad?
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Old 04-03-2012, 06:54
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I think if I buy I will get 3G again. It was a good decision when I bought the iPad 1, and I would have regretted it otherwise. I have made very good use of it over the last two years.
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Old 04-03-2012, 11:46
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Wifi ipads don't have GPS? Well I never knew that. How quaint ....
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Old 04-03-2012, 12:04
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if they don't have gps how does the find my ios device work on icloud
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Old 04-03-2012, 12:37
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Shamelessly stolen this from the Neogaf forum:

UK Carriers Readying Demonstrations & Point Of Sales For iPad 3 In Time For March 13th Launch?

Everything Everywhere, the collaborative marketing effort of T-Mobile and Orange – two of the UK’s foremost carriers – is said to be readying demonstrations and point of sales for a "new iPad" in its nationwide outlets.

As per our tipster who, in the name of continued employment, wishes to remain anonymous, a new plate sent to the store struck a chord, since it’s first time he’d seen a pack delivered without "iPad 2" in the description – this particular plate was simply labeled "iPad". Furthermore, he notes that his branch already has an iPad 2 demo, so there would be no logical reason to send another one through unless indeed a new iPad was en route.

More interestingly though, the description also stated that everything had to be set up by the evening of the 12th, in preparation for the 13th which maybe, just maybe, points to the release date of Apple’s eagerly awaited third tablet.

Of course, we’re accustomed to a two week waiting period between announcement and retail, and with the the grande show and tell of the fruit company’s latest and greatest iPad now penciled in for March 7th, one would have suspected a release on the week commencing the 19th.

If the next iPad was to release on 13th, that leaves a mere 11 days until we can get our paws on the device. After a significant wait and various information regarding the product spec and form factor, it will be nice to see what the reality looks like.

Whatever the case, it seems the carriers are now in the process of preparing for the launch, and we expect consumers to embark in the usual mass-pilgrimages to the many Apple Stores located worldwide, braving all weather conditions to get their hands on the third iteration of the best-selling tablet.
http://www.redmondpie.com/uk-carrier...h-13th-launch/
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Old 04-03-2012, 13:46
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Quick question - with the 3G, and you don't have a contract, am I right in thinking you can still get 3G by the day? Does it work that if you're not on a contract, you can still get to a page with the mobile provider, to tap in your details to get single day access? I had always thought I'd just get wifi only, but I'm thinking if I'm going to get one it probably is worth getting 3G even if its only for occasional use.
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Old 04-03-2012, 14:45
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if they don't have gps how does the find my ios device work on icloud
WiFi location data.

Quick question - with the 3G, and you don't have a contract, am I right in thinking you can still get 3G by the day? Does it work that if you're not on a contract, you can still get to a page with the mobile provider, to tap in your details to get single day access? I had always thought I'd just get wifi only, but I'm thinking if I'm going to get one it probably is worth getting 3G even if its only for occasional use.
You can get PAYG as well as contracts for 3G on an iPad. No idea on prices or exactly how it works as I've not got a 3G model. Best thing is to look at the various networks and see what they say.
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Old 04-03-2012, 14:47
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Wifi ipads don't have GPS? Well I never knew that. How quaint ....
This is not that uncommon, The PS Vita for example only has GPS on the 3G version.
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Old 04-03-2012, 15:22
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If a WiFi iPad is tethered to an iPhone it gets GPS data from the phone.
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Old 04-03-2012, 15:35
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If a WiFi iPad is tethered to an iPhone it gets GPS data from the phone.
Yeah thats what I do, always handy.
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Old 05-03-2012, 10:38
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Yeah thats what I do, always handy.
Handy? Its a damn right annoyance. Handy is having a GPS receiver in the device.

The more you look into the ipad, the more limiting it appears. Its a bit like a supermodel....looks brilliant on the outside, but not much inside.
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Old 05-03-2012, 11:19
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Well that's me sorted ipad 2 sold and rollon the new one
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Old 05-03-2012, 14:41
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Apparently, according to Macrumors the price points are to be the same as iPad 2, yayyyy if true!
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Old 05-03-2012, 16:46
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Handy? Its a damn right annoyance. Handy is having a GPS receiver in the device.

The more you look into the ipad, the more limiting it appears. Its a bit like a supermodel....looks brilliant on the outside, but not much inside.
If you want 3G and GPS you buy that model, simples.

If like me you have an iPhone, just get the cheaper Wi-Fi model and tether it to your phone when required.

It's common for GPS to be part of the 3G chipset, devices such as the PS Vita are exactly the same.
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Old 05-03-2012, 16:54
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I simply plugged in a 3G dongle in to my non iPad tablet.
The tablet also works with my bluetooth GPS too.
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Old 05-03-2012, 16:58
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If you want 3G and GPS you buy that model, simples.

If like me you have an iPhone, just get the cheaper Wi-Fi model and tether it to your phone when required.

It's common for GPS to be part of the 3G chipset, devices such as the PS Vita are exactly the same.
wish i could tether my iphone to a ipad but Vodafone are shocking what they charge to do it
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Old 05-03-2012, 17:27
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If you want 3G and GPS you buy that model, simples.

If like me you have an iPhone, just get the cheaper Wi-Fi model and tether it to your phone when required.

It's common for GPS to be part of the 3G chipset, devices such as the PS Vita are exactly the same.
Simples? the word is simple. (A pet hate of mine is people who use the word simples...not acceptable if your 7 years old, certainly not acceptable if your an adult ).

Although trying to get a GPS to work on a wifi only ipad is anything but simple, when compared to a plethora of android wifi only tablets. These have a GPS receivers built into wifi only models. Not only is that simple, but very handy.


If I want a 3G model I would buy a 3G model. If I wanted a wifi model I would buy a wifi model. I would expect any wifi only tablet at the £250+ point to have a GPS receiver built in.
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Old 05-03-2012, 18:03
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I know different people have different needs, but isn't a possible explanation that GPS is predominantly used for satnav apps, where you are travelling from A-B.

Wifi tends to be available at point A and point B etc, but not usually between A and B.
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Old 05-03-2012, 18:34
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I know different people have different needs, but isn't a possible explanation that GPS is predominantly used for satnav apps, where you are travelling from A-B.

Wifi tends to be available at point A and point B etc, but not usually between A and B.
I have used google navigation to find out how to get somewhere whilst sitting on my sofa. I hardly ever use my phones satnav..maybe once or twice if that many times. Whilst sitting on my sofa, the tablet is the better device to use...bigger screen, easier to type etc.

Like I said, at the £250+ price point, there really is no reason not to include one. Even if the only reason is to keep up with the competition. Once its in, you may be surprised how often you use apps that make use of GPS. I would rather have one in my tablet and not use it, than on the one instance I need it, it not being available.

It does seem that people do use a GPS receiver on their ipad, as they admit to attaching a phone to the device. So there is a need for it to be included by default. Also the thought of someone looking for the cable, and then getting their phone and tablet connecting them all together just to use a GPS receiver seems comical. Spending circa £1000 for wifi only tablet to have a GPS retriever is a bit excessive.
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Old 05-03-2012, 19:31
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Simples? the word is simple. (A pet hate of mine is people who use the word simples...not acceptable if your 7 years old, certainly not acceptable if your an adult ).

Although trying to get a GPS to work on a wifi only ipad is anything but simple, when compared to a plethora of android wifi only tablets. These have a GPS receivers built into wifi only models. Not only is that simple, but very handy.


If I want a 3G model I would buy a 3G model. If I wanted a wifi model I would buy a wifi model. I would expect any wifi only tablet at the £250+ point to have a GPS receiver built in.
Get real I can use what ever words I like... I don't care if you find it acceptable or not to be frank.

Your argument is just daft... i'm not gonna feed it.

We will just have to agree to disagree.
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Old 05-03-2012, 22:32
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i just find it surprising that GPS is not a standard feature in what is sold (and priced) as a high end item ???

But all seems OK as Apple explain that if you dont have 3G then you dont really need it

I genuinely cant understand why people flock to such products ???

... and this isnt a flame .... please someone explain without using:

1) Apple products just work (they dont any more or any less than other products)
2) You get what you pay for (Apple use cheap components and VERY cheap labour hence their HUGE profits)
3) Apple innovate (they dont)
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Old 05-03-2012, 23:21
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i just find it surprising that GPS is not a standard feature in what is sold (and priced) as a high end item ???

But all seems OK as Apple explain that if you dont have 3G then you dont really need it

I genuinely cant understand why people flock to such products ???

... and this isnt a flame .... please someone explain without using:

1) Apple products just work (they dont any more or any less than other products)
2) You get what you pay for (Apple use cheap components and VERY cheap labour hence their HUGE profits)
3) Apple innovate (they dont)
1) I think people are implying the simplicity of any Apple product in comparison to other devices. Top example. My mum was extremely naive and scared of technology. We decided to get an iPad 2 for her this xmas and she can't stop using it. Slightly off the iPad topic, my aunt is getting on with her iMac miles more than the PC which always went wrong and eventually broke catastrophically. Not had one phone call to go round and sort it out.

2) Same cheap labour for everyone, although the companies they do use are to a much higher standard than a lot of others in comparison. However, the cheap components myth isn't true. Their computer products use the best motherboards and the best (but most cost effective) chips the market can offer around their designs. Again, the best doesn't mean the best for every product. The newest tech is normally very battery consuming as it needs to mature for power usage etc.

3) If you don't think Apple innovate, then don't blind yourself to when the original iPhone appeared. For almost a dead touchscreen/smartphone market being sucked the life out of by Microsoft, Apple changed things by offering music, applications and other functions very effectively and easily with iTunes. The interface being used in their software is the best personally and has pushed the smartphone/tablet market so far forward. Their products currently offer customers something they thought they didn't need, but got convinced people it would enhance their lives.

Think what you like, but Apple are very competitive as they knew all the other manufacturers would follow like sheep. Prices have stayed the same (except for the VAT rise in the UK) and other top-end tablets are always more expensive for less.
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Old 06-03-2012, 05:22
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i just find it surprising that GPS is not a standard feature in what is sold (and priced) as a high end item ???

But all seems OK as Apple explain that if you dont have 3G then you dont really need it

I genuinely cant understand why people flock to such products ???

... and this isnt a flame .... please someone explain without using:

1) Apple products just work (they dont any more or any less than other products)
2) You get what you pay for (Apple use cheap components and VERY cheap labour hence their HUGE profits)
3) Apple innovate (they dont)
Still spouting out your garbage I see
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Old 06-03-2012, 05:32
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Still spouting out your garbage I see
What garbage?

I asked a question ..... I'm genuinely intrigued by the Apple syndrome ......

At least someone above has tried to answer the question as opposed to just coming back with a childish reply.:yawn:
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Old 06-03-2012, 05:50
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1) I think people are implying the simplicity of any Apple product in comparison to other devices. Top example. My mum was extremely naive and scared of technology. We decided to get an iPad 2 for her this xmas and she can't stop using it. Slightly off the iPad topic, my aunt is getting on with her iMac miles more than the PC which always went wrong and eventually broke catastrophically. Not had one phone call to go round and sort it out.

2) Same cheap labour for everyone, although the companies they do use are to a much higher standard than a lot of others in comparison. However, the cheap components myth isn't true. Their computer products use the best motherboards and the best (but most cost effective) chips the market can offer around their designs. Again, the best doesn't mean the best for every product. The newest tech is normally very battery consuming as it needs to mature for power usage etc.

3) If you don't think Apple innovate, then don't blind yourself to when the original iPhone appeared. For almost a dead touchscreen/smartphone market being sucked the life out of by Microsoft, Apple changed things by offering music, applications and other functions very effectively and easily with iTunes. The interface being used in their software is the best personally and has pushed the smartphone/tablet market so far forward. Their products currently offer customers something they thought they didn't need, but got convinced people it would enhance their lives.

Think what you like, but Apple are very competitive as they knew all the other manufacturers would follow like sheep. Prices have stayed the same (except for the VAT rise in the UK) and other top-end tablets are always more expensive for less.
I think you are the first person to try and properly answer that question for me so thanks. Whilst I dont necessarily agree with all your points I think that the general theme is around perceptions of simplicity. I think apple have been incredible at their marketing. The only other products I can think of that have the same type of following (queuing to buy unseen) are maybe the games consoles and interestingly they have the same polar standpoints with Xbox and ps3.
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