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iPad 3 announcement
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Stuart_h
06-03-2012
Originally Posted by russellelly:
“I don't think video is the issue at all. I'd say text rendering is the biggest thing. When switching between my iPhone and iPad, the difference is noticeable. I agree, a lot of people will be very happy with the iPad 1/2 resolution, but I think it's a worthwhile upgrade.”

This would look the most sensible thing to announce.

but i doubt you'll get JUST a screen improvement as the more pixels the more processing power you need and the more processing power the bigger the battery.

So at the very least Id expect you to see at least an HD screen, ramped up processor and chunkier battery.

Id also hope they add in NFC (as it will mean more people start using NFC).

I wonder if they will take the leap with removable storage and HDMI out ?

.... and thats just to catch up with the rest of the market.

And i really hope you get all that as it will keep the tech competition moving along nicely - which benefits us all
edEx
06-03-2012
Neither removable storage nor HDMI are likely. Those are "today" technologies. The iPad is all about what will come, not what's here already (for that they have the Mac). For example, the future in storage is all about the cloud. I expect Apple to expand their offerings there rather than back-incorporate something from last year into their new model range. I think they are also going to continue down the wireless video sharing route already set with the iPad 2/iPhone 4. With a faster processor the new iPad should be able to do 1080p over 802.11n, a noticeable improvement over the iPad2's 720p without the need to incorporate extra connectors.
Matt D
06-03-2012
Apple also doesn't need to "catch up" with the rest of the market. Why add removable storage and HDMI when the iPad already sells absolutely shitloads more than all other tablets combined? Extra cost for features the majority do not seem to be bothered about (or bothered about enough to buy an alternative).
slick1two
07-03-2012
Originally Posted by Stuart_h:
“This would look the most sensible thing to announce.

but i doubt you'll get JUST a screen improvement as the more pixels the more processing power you need and the more processing power the bigger the battery.

So at the very least Id expect you to see at least an HD screen, ramped up processor and chunkier battery.

Id also hope they add in NFC (as it will mean more people start using NFC).

I wonder if they will take the leap with removable storage and HDMI out ?

.... and thats just to catch up with the rest of the market.

And i really hope you get all that as it will keep the tech competition moving along nicely - which benefits us all ”

Can't expect too much though. Apple have a tendency to add a little bit more with each release. They could easily add a whole host of features, but why should they? Since they know full well that their blindly ever so loyal fanbase will buy the next gen of idevices no matter what. So they will keep up the slowly slowly approach and still make a shit load of money each and every time.
jonner101
07-03-2012
Originally Posted by paulbrock:
“Is it? really? Are people going to be looking at their ipad 2s next week and start saying "ugh, this is HORRIBLE for watching videos on".

Checking my website stats the most popular resolution visitors use over the last year is 1024x768 (the current ipad resolution), and that's on (presumably) a bigger screen in most cases. Probably around 20% have a significantly higher res screen, and that's mostly for desktops. It won't make most youtube vids look better, for example.

Sure, given the choice between higher res or lower res, higher res is nicer, but (ordinarily) I don't think it would be enough to prompt upgrades. Ordinarily, because we can't rule out the zealots who will buy whatever Apple releases.”

I know a few people who have held off buying an iPad or tablet because of the poor resolution compared to a phone.

Yes the iPad is mostly fine in landscape and videos, but the HD display ( assuming that is what the new iPad will have ) will really improve the portrait browsing and reading experience. It should also vastly improve the viewing of static photos.
lettice
07-03-2012
Here is a list of where to follow Apple’s HD press event live;

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/apple/wher...ent-live/12448

6pm for us
Stuart_h
07-03-2012
Originally Posted by Matt D:
“Apple also doesn't need to "catch up" with the rest of the market. Why add removable storage and HDMI when the iPad already sells absolutely shitloads more than all other tablets combined? Extra cost for features the majority do not seem to be bothered about (or bothered about enough to buy an alternative).”

I think that's a fairly niaive approach. Q4 2012 their market share had (allegedly) slipped from nearly 100% to about 60%.

Expect both android and apple to lose out when windows tablets get their act together.

And I don't buy into cloud storage ( whether it is the offerings from Android, apple or windows ) while UK operators are restricting internet as low as 500mb per month in some cases.
Gormond
07-03-2012
Originally Posted by Stuart_h:
“I think that's a fairly niaive approach. Q4 2012 their market share had (allegedly) slipped from nearly 100% to about 60%.

Expect both android and apple to lose out when windows tablets get their act together.

And I don't buy into cloud storage ( whether it is the offerings from Android, apple or windows ) while UK operators are restricting internet as low as 500mb per month in some cases.”

Their market share may have dropped but that's because the market has got larger and more competitive. The sales of the iPad have been increasing every quarter since its launch making Apple great profit in the process.

Also you previously mention about Apple not being the first... Like others have said before Apple's offerings the market was stale. I had a Rio MP3 player before my first iPod and it was awful, same can be said about my Nokia smartphone. Also the tablets that existed before the iPad were slow, power hungry and unusable.

Marketing has little to do with this as Apple don't advertise any more than Sony, Nokia, Samsung and so forth in the UK. It's quality products, good reviews and word of mouth that leads to their great sales.
late8
07-03-2012
Originally Posted by Gormond:
“Their market share may have dropped but that's because the market has got larger and more competitive. The sales of the iPad have been increasing every quarter since its launch making Apple great profit in the process.

Also you previously mention about Apple not being the first... Like others have said before Apple's offerings the market was stale. I had a Rio MP3 player before my first iPod and it was awful, same can be said about my Nokia smartphone. Also the tablets that existed before the iPad were slow, power hungry and unusable.

Marketing has little to do with this as Apple don't advertise any more than Sony, Nokia, Samsung and so forth in the UK. It's quality products, good reviews and word of mouth that leads to their great sales.”

I had a Creative mp3 player which was a fantastic player before the first iPod.
Had better sound too.
All apple did was market the iPod and later itunes did the rest.
alanwarwic
07-03-2012
With Apple they get maximum return for minimum advertising though obviously the budget is still massive.

Has there ever been a gadget maker where non functioning aspects of some its toys are ignored so that both prices are kept high and user feature wish lists ignored?
ACU
07-03-2012
Originally Posted by Matt D:
“Apple also doesn't need to "catch up" with the rest of the market. Why add removable storage and HDMI when the iPad already sells absolutely shitloads more than all other tablets combined? Extra cost for features the majority do not seem to be bothered about (or bothered about enough to buy an alternative).”

They do need to catch up. They thought they didnt in the smartphone market. Now Android has overtaken ios. The same will happen in the tablet market. Its only a matter of time. In a couple of years time android will have a greater market share than ios. Apple are aware of this, thus why the patent war is going on. Apple are trying their best to slow the growth of Android in the tablet market. They may slow it, but its inevitable that one day android will have a larger share of the tablet market.
Gormond
07-03-2012
Originally Posted by ACU:
“They do need to catch up. They thought they didnt in the smartphone market. Now Android has overtaken ios. The same will happen in the tablet market. Its only a matter of time. In a couple of years time android will have a greater market share than ios. Apple are aware of this, thus why the patent war is going on. Apple are trying their best to slow the growth of Android in the tablet market. They may slow it, but its inevitable that one day android will have a larger share of the tablet market.”

In what way has Android overtook iOS in Smartphones?

Have a read here http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-...ndwich-1035481 and you will see there are advantages to both, and that is only for the small percentage that actually have ICS due to Androids fragmentation.

Also you seem to forget that Windows 8 (WOA) will be coming this year, iOS and Android will have heavy competition with that.
ACU
07-03-2012
Originally Posted by Gormond:
“In what way has Android overtook iOS in Smartphones?

Have a read here http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-...ndwich-1035481 and you will see there are advantages to both, and that is only for the small percentage that actually have ICS due to Androids fragmentation.

Also you seem to forget that Windows 8 (WOA) will be coming this year, iOS and Android will have heavy competition with that.”

I was on about market share.

Of course each os has its pros and cons. I am not that stupid to believe that everything that is android is perfect.
Gormond
07-03-2012
Originally Posted by ACU:
“I was on about market share.

Of course each os has its pros and cons. I am not that stupid to believe that everything that is android is perfect.”

Ofcoarse Android will overtake iOS for one major reason, 3rd party manufacturers can use it for free.

This leads to a market flooded with Android devices (many of which flop) compared to Apples 1 device.

It's no surprise there ends up being some decent Android devices, if you throw enough darts at a board, one of them will hit the bullseye.
alanwarwic
07-03-2012
I think that is called innovation.

I suspect the term 'innovation' gets very mixed up with 'marketing'.
ACU
07-03-2012
Originally Posted by Gormond:
“Ofcoarse Android will overtake iOS for one major reason, 3rd party manufacturers can use it for free.”

This is total rubbish. The reason why android has overtaken ios is not because Google let anyone use it for free.

Originally Posted by Gormond:
“This leads to a market flooded with Android devices (many of which flop) compared to Apples 1 device.”

Its called choice, being an Apple consumer, you are probably not familiar with the concept.

Originally Posted by Gormond:
“It's no surprise there ends up being some decent Android devices, if you throw enough darts at a board, one of them will hit the bullseye.”

:yawn:
Mrs Cee Jay
07-03-2012
Look how many phone manufacturers use Android. Apple is on it's own. Stands to reason why Android is going to overtake Apple. iPhones still the best though.
Staunchy
07-03-2012
Originally Posted by Mrs Cee Jay:
“Look how many phone manufacturers use Android. Apple is on it's own. Stands to reason why Android is going to overtake Apple. iPhones still the best though.”

For you, OK.
For me, at the moment, yes.

But... Lets not start proclaiming that a phone that's best for us is the best for everyone else please.
Lushness
07-03-2012
Originally Posted by Mrs Cee Jay:
“Look how many phone manufacturers use Android. Apple is on it's own. Stands to reason why Android is going to overtake Apple. iPhones still the best though.”

Oh dear, you better take cover!
Matt D
07-03-2012
Originally Posted by Stuart_h:
“I think that's a fairly niaive approach. Q4 2012 their market share had (allegedly) slipped from nearly 100% to about 60%.”

I think it's naive to think that Apple will lose its tablet market crown anytime soon.

As Gordmond said, Apple's overall market share only decreased due to the total size of the market increasing.

Actual sales of the iPad are going up, and up, and up, and up, every single quarter.

The iPad continues to sell more than the competition combined, with over 15 millions iPads sold in Apple's most recent quarter.

Not only was that far more units than any other tablet, it was more units sold than any single computer manufacturer sold PCs...including the three big boys HP, Dell, and Lenovo. The iPad beat them all.

The only non-Apple tablet that could be called a success is the Kindle Fire, which some may not consider a true Android tablet as it runs a highly customised Amazon version of 2.x, not even Honeycomb let alone ICS.

But its sales still pale in comparison to those of the iPad.

After the Fire, the next best selling would be the Galaxy Tab 10.1... although its sales haven't been amazing (it doesn't take much to beat the Xoom or PlayBook), and Samsung has even admitted it has not had success in the tablet market yet.

Apple does not need to catch up with anyone else. They all need to catch up with Apple.

Originally Posted by ACU:
“They do need to catch up. They thought they didnt in the smartphone market. Now Android has overtaken ios. The same will happen in the tablet market. Its only a matter of time. In a couple of years time android will have a greater market share than ios. Apple are aware of this, thus why the patent war is going on. Apple are trying their best to slow the growth of Android in the tablet market. They may slow it, but its inevitable that one day android will have a larger share of the tablet market.”

The tablet market is not the same as the smartphone market. It seems more like the MP3 player market.

Most people buy smartphones on a contract, heavily subsidised. As such, high-end Android phones are cheaper than the iPhone.

The tablet market is not the same. Most people just buy the tablet, they do not get it subsidised with a contract. As such, the high-end competition all tend to cost around the same price as the iPad (apart from the ones which failed miserably, and then had repeated price cuts to try and get people to buy them, such as the Xoom and PlayBook).

It's not just that which is different.

Apple's starting point in the market is far different from the smartphone market.

Apple never dominated the smartphone market the way it continues to dominate the tablet market. It was a late comer to the smartphone market, going up against existing manufacturers such as Nokia and RIM, and existing OSes such as Symbian and WM5.

The current tablet market, however, was effectively created by Apple. It has dominated it since the beginning, and although its share has decreased, that is only because of the increase in size of the market itself. It still utterly dominates it, and still sells more tablets than all the competition, with sales continuing to increase every single quarter.

Apple does not need to catch up with anyone else. They all need to catch up with Apple.
paulbrock
07-03-2012
Originally Posted by Gormond:
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Marketing has little to do with this as Apple don't advertise any more than Sony, Nokia, Samsung and so forth in the UK. It's quality products, good reviews and word of mouth that leads to their great sales.”

Really? It seems every ad break there's an ad for Siri or iPad's, I don't recall seeing any Nokia tv ad. Google are starting to advertise on TV for the Nexus now, but that's pretty unusual. I also reckon that the Apple ads are longer than say Samsung's, who seemingly rely far more on print advertising.

As for the smartphone market, in everywhere except the US pretty much, Android is leading iOS.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...head-iphone-us

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...rtphone-growth
Mark125
07-03-2012
Originally Posted by Mrs Cee Jay:
“Look how many phone manufacturers use Android. Apple is on it's own. Stands to reason why Android is going to overtake Apple. iPhones still the best though.”


Apple iPhones are the best by a large margin aswell. Lets not forget Android is catching up but then I could go outright now and buy a phone running Android for £40. That phone would be counted in the total sales when compared against iPhone, its like comparing Ferrari sales to Ford sales. Of course Ford will sell more.

Android is a solution for those that can't afford an iPhone or get phones on contract and have to use Pay&Go.

I would only really compare an iPhone to a Samsung Galaxy and the iPhone out sells the Galaxy massively. An out performs it aswell.
Stuart_h
07-03-2012
Originally Posted by Mark125:
“Apple iPhones are the best by a large margin aswell. Lets not forget Android is catching up but then I could go outright now and buy a phone running Android for £40. That phone would be counted in the total sales when compared against iPhone, its like comparing Ferrari sales to Ford sales. Of course Ford will sell more.

Android is a solution for those that can't afford an iPhone or get phones on contract and have to use Pay&Go.

I would only really compare an iPhone to a Samsung Galaxy and the iPhone out sells the Galaxy massively. An out performs it aswell.”

Hahaha. Deliberate and poor attempt to flame.

Going back to an earlier comment of course apple need to catch up.

Apple release one new version a year. During the following months x number of other manufactures release ever improving hardware.

The ipad2 IS low spec compared to the latest other tablets. This is perfectly reasonable as its 12 months old. If the ipad3 is also underspecced more and more people will start to question paying premium price for low spec. That's not rocket science.
Mark125
07-03-2012
Originally Posted by Stuart_h:
“Hahaha. Deliberate and poor attempt to flame.

<snip>.”

I'm not trying to Flame its just a fact you can buy a Android phone for £40 and a Android Tablet for £89 an these are included in figures when comparing sales for iOS and Android.
davethorp
07-03-2012
Apple haven't even announced anything as of yet and already this thread is going as well as most threads on Apple do on this forum
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