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'Space-disco' had the biggest influence on modern pop imo.
Moroder & Cerrone & also Stevie Wonder's use of synths: arpeggiators, using synths as basslines and for drums beats. ![]() It seems that P-Funk, Synthpop & the short lived Space-Disco developed along similar lines from about 1977 onwards.It seems that Analog synths were used before that though.Didn't realise the Moog was used as early as in this article though http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moog_synthesizer |
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Disagree sort of, New wave (Synthpop) was the biggest influence on modern pop music, although it is regarded as a derivative form of Disco as well.Disco originally used a string & horn orchastrated / jazz like backing.Synths were used later & were derived from Synthpop.Not sure how much of an influence Punk had on the electronic side of New wave though.It was influenced more from Krautrock (generally regarded as a part of Prog rock), progressive electronic & progressive rocks forerunner Psychedelic rock (i.e. Funkadelic ; the name is self explanatory as far as their influences are concerned).
![]() With the greatest respect, I suggest you may like to investigate mid-70s albums by Kraftwerk and Donna Summer - all of which were shamelessly plundered by 'synthpop'. And punk did indeed have an influence on electronic music. You might like to start with Suicide, who supported The Clash, and the Human League, third on the bill to Siouxsie & The Banshees (both in 1978) ... |
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Er - hello?
![]() With the greatest respect, I suggest you may like to investigate mid-70s albums by Kraftwerk and Donna Summer - all of which were shamelessly plundered by 'synthpop'. And punk did indeed have an influence on electronic music. You might like to start with Suicide, who supported The Clash, and the Human League, third on the bill to Siouxsie & The Banshees (both in 1978) ... No sure if you could call Suicide, Punk as we now it though.Hadn't heard of them before, they are described as Electro-punk or No-wave.Will have to check them out.I wouldn't call Human League Punk - I've never associated New Romantic with Punk at all.I've always thought ot it as former Punks genre swapping, really
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And punk did indeed have an influence on electronic music. You might like to start with Suicide
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Hadn't heard of space-disco before.Just checked out & found I purchased a space-disco single - Magic Fly ~ Space which reached No.2 in the UK charts.Didn't purchase alot of singles either.Does this make me a Disco fan
![]() It seems that P-Funk, Synthpop & the short lived Space-Disco developed along similar lines from about 1977 onwards.It seems that Analog synths were used before that though.Didn't realise the Moog was used as early as in this article though http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moog_synthesizer Prior to space disco, synths were generally used as embellishment touches to the overall sound of disco. Then , these synth parts took a more prominent role in the sound. The obvious examples are 'I feel love' & Cerrones 'Supernature'. Space disco seems to have been more prevailent in Continental Europe & Russia, but around 1979 starts mutating into Italo-disco via Italy & Montreal and into gay clubs in the USA & Continental Europe. Again its that incessant arpeggio line... There also are alot of Eastern sounds weaved into Space disco around 1977-79. And its mainly underground club music - NOT Stars on 45 or Saturday Night Fever. Afew years later it turns into Hi-NRG and by 1985 its an ear-ache to be represented by Spagna & Sabrina... But we wont go there! ![]() Perhaps the ultimemate Space discotrack is by Giorgio Moroder, added to the soundtarck for Battlestar Galactica, though not used in the film! It truly is 15 minutes of COSMIC AWESOMENESS!! Giorgio Moroder - Evolution www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zzj-GlRLZFU A personal fav from Azoto... www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDj5MwKpNrE La Bionda www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp8MxqHefgk Dance Reaction (try entering around 1:50 if you have short attention span) www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKznwPpLRyY Orlando Riva Sound (O.R.S) www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qfu7nrEp1EU |
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just thought, this threads been hi-jacked by (space)disco
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Chic were part of Disco culture, Disco evolved from Funk.Chic influenced Hip-hop even which evolved from Disco .That's why I grouped them together.Not that relevent on how Disco influenced the broader Punk movement though, which I have been curious about for years, since Punk was so anti Disco to start with (even more than fans of Prog & Hard rock IMO).
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The Punk movement included the most polarised & tribal fans I have ever known in music 'to begin with'.It was almost a fascist campaign to hate on any other genre.What was the year 'zero' nonsense all about otherwise.Punks openly dissed their so called proto-punk bands to start with.It's quite funny really
in retrospect.by 1980 you had mods, punks, rockers, rockabillies, skins, all mixing with no trouble.... pre punk youd never get glamrock kids mixing with prog rockers or 'smooth' sould guys (which were the main genres in the few years pre 77) Quote:
Think you are a bit confused about being corporate.Isn't pop / chart music all about being corporate (the singles chart anyway).Why would a punk fan worry about chart music when they are so anti-corporate minded.That's exactly the reason why the first wave of Punk collapsed.It was a victim of it's own commercial success & co-oped into Corporate record label culture - Punks (fans, artists) couldn't deal with that.
true...but indie was formed to be anti corporate, punk ethics of 'doing it yourself' produced many great indie labels that facilitated a diverse range of music to be made available to us... ok corporations eventually swallowed up the indie lables and variety, creativity, suffered.Quote:
You cannot get more D.I.Y. than present Prog musicians these days as far as a self-producing is concerned.If you are such a D.I.Y. lover you should also love present day Prog if you follow that logic.
i dont like prog, its never appealled to me at all.. if there are diy prog acts today then good for them...i applaud the principle if not the material.Quote:
Sorry - can't agree - disco did.
Punk was hugely influential - but not in the way disco was ... not least in the use of tehcnology. i dont think disco per se was responsible for the rise of new technology/electro music. |
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Perhaps you were right about Synthpop, although Keith Emerson was prominent in the developement of the Moog.Giorgio Moroder (not Donna Summer) played his part as well along with a few others.Wendy / Walter Carlos was the first to use it in a commercial piece of work though - Switched-On Bach.
No sure if you could call Suicide, Punk as we now it though.Hadn't heard of them before, they are described as Electro-punk or No-wave.Will have to check them out.I wouldn't call Human League Punk - I've never associated New Romantic with Punk at all.I've always thought ot it as former Punks genre swapping, really ![]() And I didn't claim that either Suicide or the Human League were punk - but both came through the punk movement, however different they may have been musically. I would argue that Suicide were actually more punk in attitude than many punk bands. They were certainly pioneers of the vocalist plus keyboard/synths duo format that was copied by Sparks in 1979, Soft Cell (who openly acknowledge Suicide's influence) in 1981 and countless others since then. |
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nostalgia is one of the most inspirational feelings in the world, we wouldnt have art without it. Art that inspires nostalgia is even more beautiful.
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