But no one has pure natural talent. Leona was classically trained and you can't tell if its her natural voice. It's a voice after a decade of training. Amy was natural of course, same for Whitney. I love Beyonce, but I don't think she's pure natural talent. She had a lot of training. And training if done for long enough can make the bearer seem natural. But it doesn't make her natural. With Alex she might have had singing lessons, but it's certainly natural. From the age of 12-19 her voice changed drastically. She became a contralto, whereas you couldn't tell that before. Alex is technically good, but she has one thing you can't train, which is a soulful voice. You either have one or you don't.
NME or BRIT?
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Originally Posted by iseloid:
“I love Beyonce but she's very much a fusion of Tina Turner and Michael Jackson in terms of the way she moves. And I'm not sure about the natural thing. She has a great eye and can dance, but everything you see is Frank Gatson and JaQuel Knight. They are literally her backbone. In Alexandra's case its hard to say what she'll be as her debut wasn't entirely her idea. I wouldn't say Rihanna has natural sass at all. On her tours she was always very wooden as a performer. I certainly would say she has natural ability, you're simply born with a voice like hers (tone wise and soul etc). I personally think you can never tell natural ability or fully define it. Training helps a lot.”
“I love Beyonce but she's very much a fusion of Tina Turner and Michael Jackson in terms of the way she moves. And I'm not sure about the natural thing. She has a great eye and can dance, but everything you see is Frank Gatson and JaQuel Knight. They are literally her backbone. In Alexandra's case its hard to say what she'll be as her debut wasn't entirely her idea. I wouldn't say Rihanna has natural sass at all. On her tours she was always very wooden as a performer. I certainly would say she has natural ability, you're simply born with a voice like hers (tone wise and soul etc). I personally think you can never tell natural ability or fully define it. Training helps a lot.”
I'm not a fan of Beyonce at all but she's a natural performer. You're right, her influences are obvious and you can tell the choreography is the work of somebody else. However, she's a natural mover. You can train as much as you want to get the choreography right, but your natural abilities are what make the execution effortless. And even if I'm not a fan, it'd be just silly of me to deny the star quality Beyonce has and that is something you can't get through training, it's part of your personality and something that makes you as performer stand out. Alexandra doesn't have that.
You were talking about poor upbringing and raw talent in your previous post. Well Tina Turner is the perfect example. She's had a hard life and as far as I'm aware she didn't get trained but she had it in her. And her personal circumstances are not the reason why she's a great performer/singer.
I personally think Rihanna has/had some sass, you can see it in her videos. Whether she has the stage presence and performing abilities to translate that in a live performance, this is another matter. And she clearly is not a great performer - as you said she's quite wooden, she doesn't seem comfortable on stage and she doesn't have any energy when performing. In that sense, live Alexandra Burke is a much better performer than her.
I agree with you training helps and can develop further your talent but you can tell when somebody has been gifted with a voice, even if they had singing lessons.
Originally Posted by iseloid:
“But no one has pure natural talent. Leona was classically trained and you can't tell if its her natural voice. It's a voice after a decade of training. Amy was natural of course, same for Whitney. I love Beyonce, but I don't think she's pure natural talent. She had a lot of training. And training if done for long enough can make the bearer seem natural. But it doesn't make her natural. With Alex she might have had singing lessons, but it's certainly natural. From the age of 12-19 her voice changed drastically. She became a contralto, whereas you couldn't tell that before. Alex is technically good, but she has one thing you can't train, which is a soulful voice. You either have one or you don't.”
“But no one has pure natural talent. Leona was classically trained and you can't tell if its her natural voice. It's a voice after a decade of training. Amy was natural of course, same for Whitney. I love Beyonce, but I don't think she's pure natural talent. She had a lot of training. And training if done for long enough can make the bearer seem natural. But it doesn't make her natural. With Alex she might have had singing lessons, but it's certainly natural. From the age of 12-19 her voice changed drastically. She became a contralto, whereas you couldn't tell that before. Alex is technically good, but she has one thing you can't train, which is a soulful voice. You either have one or you don't.”
Then we can only agree to disagree because I don't think Alexandra's voice is soulful. I'll agree with you she's technically good but there's nothing soulful about her voice. If it is, then it's down to the songs she's given. But then, whether it was on cheesy songs like IWDWS or with ore emotions/depth, Whitney's voice was soulfoul no matter what....
Originally Posted by AlexMalgua:
“I'm not a fan of Beyonce at all but she's a natural performer. You're right, her influences are obvious and you can tell the choreography is the work of somebody else. However, she's a natural mover. You can train as much as you want to get the choreography right, but your natural abilities are what make the execution effortless. And even if I'm not a fan, it'd be just silly of me to deny the star quality Beyonce has and that is something you can't get through training, it's part of your personality and something that makes you as performer stand out. Alexandra doesn't have that.
You were talking about poor upbringing and raw talent in your previous post. Well Tina Turner is the perfect example. She's had a hard life and as far as I'm aware she didn't get trained but she had it in her. And her personal circumstances are not the reason why she's a great performer/singer.
I personally think Rihanna has/had some sass, you can see it in her videos. Whether she has the stage presence and performing abilities to translate that in a live performance, this is another matter. And she clearly is not a great performer - as you said she's quite wooden, she doesn't seem comfortable on stage and she doesn't have any energy when performing. In that sense, live Alexandra Burke is a much better performer than her.
I agree with you training helps and can develop further your talent but you can tell when somebody has been gifted with a voice, even if they had singing lessons.”
“I'm not a fan of Beyonce at all but she's a natural performer. You're right, her influences are obvious and you can tell the choreography is the work of somebody else. However, she's a natural mover. You can train as much as you want to get the choreography right, but your natural abilities are what make the execution effortless. And even if I'm not a fan, it'd be just silly of me to deny the star quality Beyonce has and that is something you can't get through training, it's part of your personality and something that makes you as performer stand out. Alexandra doesn't have that.
You were talking about poor upbringing and raw talent in your previous post. Well Tina Turner is the perfect example. She's had a hard life and as far as I'm aware she didn't get trained but she had it in her. And her personal circumstances are not the reason why she's a great performer/singer.
I personally think Rihanna has/had some sass, you can see it in her videos. Whether she has the stage presence and performing abilities to translate that in a live performance, this is another matter. And she clearly is not a great performer - as you said she's quite wooden, she doesn't seem comfortable on stage and she doesn't have any energy when performing. In that sense, live Alexandra Burke is a much better performer than her.
I agree with you training helps and can develop further your talent but you can tell when somebody has been gifted with a voice, even if they had singing lessons.”
I personally think she is. I think she has certainly been gifted with a voice. But in terms of Beyonce, it's easier for her. She's from the south in the US. Now she's surrounded by culture, especially black american culture, which will always come out in her performances, ie ;What's up y'all?' Now Alexandra could never say that or it would sound weird. I didn't talk about her upbringing IIRC. I think Alexandra does stand out. On XF she stood out like a sore thumb. She's the only one to have danced and sung perfectly and make it very natural and IMO have star quality. She was a class above the rest. But each to their own.
Originally Posted by AlexMalgua:
“Then we can only agree to disagree because I don't think Alexandra's voice is soulful. I'll agree with you she's technically good but there's nothing soulful about her voice. If it is, then it's down to the songs she's given. But then, whether it was on cheesy songs like IWDWS or with ore emotions/depth, Whitney's voice was soulfoul no matter what....”
“Then we can only agree to disagree because I don't think Alexandra's voice is soulful. I'll agree with you she's technically good but there's nothing soulful about her voice. If it is, then it's down to the songs she's given. But then, whether it was on cheesy songs like IWDWS or with ore emotions/depth, Whitney's voice was soulfoul no matter what....”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmI6syS1guo
Her voice seems pretty soulful to me going by this...
Originally Posted by iseloid:
“I personally think she is. I think she has certainly been gifted with a voice. But in terms of Beyonce, it's easier for her. She's from the south in the US. Now she's surrounded by culture, especially black american culture, which will always come out in her performances, ie ;What's up y'all?' Now Alexandra could never say that or it would sound weird. I didn't talk about her upbringing IIRC. I think Alexandra does stand out. On XF she stood out like a sore thumb. She's the only one to have danced and sung perfectly and make it very natural and IMO have star quality. She was a class above the rest. But each to their own.”
“I personally think she is. I think she has certainly been gifted with a voice. But in terms of Beyonce, it's easier for her. She's from the south in the US. Now she's surrounded by culture, especially black american culture, which will always come out in her performances, ie ;What's up y'all?' Now Alexandra could never say that or it would sound weird. I didn't talk about her upbringing IIRC. I think Alexandra does stand out. On XF she stood out like a sore thumb. She's the only one to have danced and sung perfectly and make it very natural and IMO have star quality. She was a class above the rest. But each to their own.”
But that's what I mean by not having any individuality from an artistic point of view. Maybe Beyonce's been milking her cultural background and borrowing from her influences a bit too much but she's got something to offer artistically which goes beyond the slick choreographies and the commercial R&B/pop sound. Alexandra doesn't. I'm not saying she should try to be somebody she's not but to me there's nothing special about her as a music act at any levels.
And on the XF she stood out by default. She faced some stiff competition from Laura white who clearly was overshadowing her vocally and from Diana Vickers because of her quirky personality. Once Laura White was gone, as Diana never departed from the quirky act, eyes started to shift towards Alexandra. She was good on the XF and she clearly nailed the final but I always thought she was overrated on the show.
Originally Posted by Zack06:
“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmI6syS1guo
Her voice seems pretty soulful to me going by this...”
“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmI6syS1guo
Her voice seems pretty soulful to me going by this...”
Honestly, it's a very good performance of her and she clearly has got the technique but her voice to me is not soulful in this performance. The words are very inspirational but her voice doesn't even grasp the meaning of the lyrics. It is very well sung but that's about it...
Originally Posted by AlexMalgua:
“Honestly, it's a very good performance of her and she clearly has got the technique but her voice to me is not soulful in this performance. The words are very inspirational but her voice doesn't even grasp the meaning of the lyrics. It is very well sung but that's about it...”
“Honestly, it's a very good performance of her and she clearly has got the technique but her voice to me is not soulful in this performance. The words are very inspirational but her voice doesn't even grasp the meaning of the lyrics. It is very well sung but that's about it...”
Well that's pure gospel right there, so I think she does. I can tell when she means what she sings, ie weeks 1 and 2 of XF she was very good but I can tell she wasn't believing in herself. And from week 3 onwards she was. Something clicked. And since then it's just perfect for me. In this performance she clearly means what she's singing because she's a strong believer. If it was someone else, I could have doubts about it.
I would say neither. They cater for different genres so cannot compare. Both sets of awards are meaningless in my view.
Originally Posted by iseloid:
“Well that's pure gospel right there, so I think she does. I can tell when she means what she sings, ie weeks 1 and 2 of XF she was very good but I can tell she wasn't believing in herself. And from week 3 onwards she was. Something clicked. And since then it's just perfect for me. In this performance she clearly means what she's singing because she's a strong believer. If it was someone else, I could have doubts about it.”
“Well that's pure gospel right there, so I think she does. I can tell when she means what she sings, ie weeks 1 and 2 of XF she was very good but I can tell she wasn't believing in herself. And from week 3 onwards she was. Something clicked. And since then it's just perfect for me. In this performance she clearly means what she's singing because she's a strong believer. If it was someone else, I could have doubts about it.”
Well I would not call it pure gospel. Certainly not from her. The arrangements of the song make it very symphonic and the Gospel element comes from the choir. You're clearly a fan and I'm not so we'll always disagree on Alexandra Burke
I think NME takes artists more serious than the Brits does. There wasn't one unworthy winner at the NME awards. I was over the moon for Florence in particular, who I thought was majorly snubbed at the Brits this year.
Originally Posted by XFactorFanatic1:
“I think NME takes artists more serious than the Brits does. There wasn't one unworthy winner at the NME awards. I was over the moon for Florence in particular, who I thought was majorly snubbed at the Brits this year.”
“I think NME takes artists more serious than the Brits does. There wasn't one unworthy winner at the NME awards. I was over the moon for Florence in particular, who I thought was majorly snubbed at the Brits this year.”
I agree. It's ironic because the 'show' itself seems more fun and the artists as if they aren't taking themselves as seriously as the BRITS. But imo it's a much more serious business. They are 'proper' artists being awarded in the NME Awards. Compare Noel Gallagher's performance at the end to Blurs on the BRITS? Noel's was actually good and everyone was dancing around and having so much fun.
The NME's for me every time.
Personally I never watch the NME mainly because they have categories such as worst band, worst artist etc which is kind of annoying and pointless -_-. The whole point of an award is to give it to the best artist.
Originally Posted by xMsStunnahxx:
“Personally I never watch the NME mainly because they have categories such as worst band, worst artist etc which is kind of annoying and pointless -_-. The whole point of an award is to give it to the best artist.”
“Personally I never watch the NME mainly because they have categories such as worst band, worst artist etc which is kind of annoying and pointless -_-. The whole point of an award is to give it to the best artist.”
Someone is sour that One Direction and Justin Bieber picked up the "worst" catagories
An award they actually deserve.
Originally Posted by MrMeatAndPotato:
“Someone is sour that One Direction and Justin Bieber picked up the "worst" catagories An award they actually deserve.”
“Someone is sour that One Direction and Justin Bieber picked up the "worst" catagories
An award they actually deserve.”
I'm not a justin bieber but I was kind of annoyed 1D got worse band when I think TW were far worse.
Originally Posted by xMsStunnahxx:
“I'm not a justin bieber but I was kind of annoyed 1D got worse band when I think TW were far worse.”
“I'm not a justin bieber but I was kind of annoyed 1D got worse band when I think TW were far worse.”
I don't think either are that different to be honest.
Originally Posted by xMsStunnahxx:
“Personally I never watch the NME mainly because they have categories such as worst band, worst artist etc which is kind of annoying and pointless -_-. The whole point of an award is to give it to the best artist.”
“Personally I never watch the NME mainly because they have categories such as worst band, worst artist etc which is kind of annoying and pointless -_-. The whole point of an award is to give it to the best artist.”
So you disagree with the Razzies as well then?
Originally Posted by Fabala:
“So you disagree with the Razzies as well then?”
“So you disagree with the Razzies as well then?”
I don't even know them -__-
I just dont see why they should have worst blah for their categories.
Originally Posted by xMsStunnahxx:
“I don't even know them -__-
I just dont see why they should have worst blah for their categories.”
“I don't even know them -__-
I just dont see why they should have worst blah for their categories.”
They're an award ceremony for the worst films/ actors of the year, take place around Oscars time.A bit tongue in cheek. I actually like the Worst Album of the year award but I prefer it when it's taken more seriously. Voting for groups like One Direction is a given, no offence but it's an obvious choice for a bad group. I'd prefer if all the votes were for artists applauded by NME who happened to have a bad year. A serious critique.
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