Personally I would far rather watch Chemmy than Jorgie. I don't know what it is about Jorgie but I find her incredibly irritating.
Chemmy not getting votes. Whats the problem?
4 of 4
I hope that anyone reading this won't interpret my comments as a personal attack on Chemmy - I don't know her - so all I can go on is my interpretation of the way she comes across to me on the show. A few comments on this thread have prompted me to add my own thoughts, so here goes:
It's not Chemmy's fault she is built the way she is, but there is no doubt that she has sometimes looked a trifle ungainly compared to girls such as Jen and Jorgie due to her height and her (entirely appropriate for her main sport) athletic build. It has, unfortunately, had an impact on some of the lifts, both in the way they look once she's 'up there', and the way in which they are executed on the way up and down.
However that on its own has nothing to do with why, for some reason, I cannot 'warm' to Chemmy as a person. I wanted to, I really did. It's not because she is competitive per se, there is just something, an indefinable something, not really 'gelling' (for me, at least) in the way in which she comes across (e.g. when she is being interviewed on the show). Maybe it is because she's so 'driven', but she seems to lack a degree of warmth, and on the odd occasion enough humility/grace when listening to the advice and/or critique from the judges, which added together sometimes makes Chemmy seem rather aloof. To me. As I said, subjective - and I fully expect to get shot down in flames by those who like her, and to be accused of being 'against' her (when I'm not - it's not that black and white) when in all honesty I really wanted to feel a lot more positive about her.
Maybe it's because she isn't used to 'showing off' for the cameras in the way that actors and performers are, isn't used to be interviewed, and certainly isn't used to being judged/critiqued by anyone outside of the relatively insular confines of her own sport and the people who train her in that sport. She may well also be quite shy, and that can easily come across as aloofness when it's just a huge dislike of being in the spotlight. (Being shy myself, and having had exactly the same things said to me, I can sympathise if that is the case.) You can be skilled and good at what you do, and even appear to have a huge amount of confidence when talking about yourself (your job may even 'be' about confidence to many people - mine is!) and yet inside you feel extremely vulnerable and not confident at all (which is how I feel!).
Not sure her hair colour has much to do with it - but maybe that's because I'm a woman and don't use people's hair colour or style as a judging parameter! The dance thing may be more pertinent, and Chemmy isn't a naturally elegant dancer (although I thought she was hugely improved last night) but I'm not sure if being a trained dancer is as important as it might seem - after all, Gaynor Faye wasn't a trained dancer, and was quite ungainly in her build too, but she went on to win (against, I think, competitors such as Bonnie Langford who is a trained dancer... although my memory maybe wrong about having them both in the same series!).
Maybe to some extent the lack of being known before the show starts was an issue in the early weeks, but we've had other competitors in previous years who also weren't that well-known before the show started, and who went on to reach the final/semi-final stages. We got to know them as the series progressed and they were judged accordingly. Which is what makes me wonder if, fairly or not, when all is said and done it's still mainly down to how Chemmy comes over to the majority of the TV audience at home. When you get to this stage of the competition it's less about automatic fan base votes and more about the skating, even if it hasn't been up until this point. At this stage last year we lost Johnson and Denise, both of whom had stayed over weaker skaters prior to the team challenge though votes alone.
Well, to be fair, they show what they want to show out of hours of training footage - others may have argued, we just haven't seen it. It made for good TV last night, and it may not have helped looking at last night's voting in isolation, but Chemmy has been in the bottom two before when her VT has been positive.
I agree we saw a lighter side of her last night - it goes along with my theory that Chemmy genuinely isn't all that comfortable in front of the camera because that's not something she's used to. She has probably taken this long to 'unbend' and relax into the performance side of things. She hasn't always come across as warm, or very accepting of the fact she's not as good as maybe she wanted to be.
As regards Shaun, Chemmy is like anyone who is very driven, but who has only ever had to consider themselves in training for their craft. To suddenly have to include a partner in their considerations doesn't always come easily when you're used to being a solo operator. That's maybe why she and Shaun haven't always come across as having a good working relationship at times. Shaun is new too, so we don't know him all that well, but he also seems quite shy compared to pros like Dan and Matt Evers, and maybe that makes him seem a bit aloof too, and even more so when on TV in something as exposed as DOI!
Sorry for being long-winded, and hopefully the Chemmy fans cans see that I'm trying to be objective where I can be. I think she's come on in leaps and bounds in the last week or so, and I really want to warm to her (and I have a bit) but it's not 'happening' for me as much as I expected it too!
Originally Posted by Smokeychan1:
“Yup, even despite his glowing praise of her skating, Robin was still commenting about her need for finesse. It's week 10 now, there is little excuse for her squared feet.
I really like Chemmy, but then I really value good sportsmanship as a trait. I can't see anything negative about her myself, so am surprised anyone would think nasty thoughts about her.
However, I am not completely naive; I suspect most voters find her too confident, too competitive and too jolly posh to be endeared toward her. Inverted snobs
”
“Yup, even despite his glowing praise of her skating, Robin was still commenting about her need for finesse. It's week 10 now, there is little excuse for her squared feet.
I really like Chemmy, but then I really value good sportsmanship as a trait. I can't see anything negative about her myself, so am surprised anyone would think nasty thoughts about her.
However, I am not completely naive; I suspect most voters find her too confident, too competitive and too jolly posh to be endeared toward her. Inverted snobs
”
It's not Chemmy's fault she is built the way she is, but there is no doubt that she has sometimes looked a trifle ungainly compared to girls such as Jen and Jorgie due to her height and her (entirely appropriate for her main sport) athletic build. It has, unfortunately, had an impact on some of the lifts, both in the way they look once she's 'up there', and the way in which they are executed on the way up and down.
However that on its own has nothing to do with why, for some reason, I cannot 'warm' to Chemmy as a person. I wanted to, I really did. It's not because she is competitive per se, there is just something, an indefinable something, not really 'gelling' (for me, at least) in the way in which she comes across (e.g. when she is being interviewed on the show). Maybe it is because she's so 'driven', but she seems to lack a degree of warmth, and on the odd occasion enough humility/grace when listening to the advice and/or critique from the judges, which added together sometimes makes Chemmy seem rather aloof. To me. As I said, subjective - and I fully expect to get shot down in flames by those who like her, and to be accused of being 'against' her (when I'm not - it's not that black and white) when in all honesty I really wanted to feel a lot more positive about her.
Maybe it's because she isn't used to 'showing off' for the cameras in the way that actors and performers are, isn't used to be interviewed, and certainly isn't used to being judged/critiqued by anyone outside of the relatively insular confines of her own sport and the people who train her in that sport. She may well also be quite shy, and that can easily come across as aloofness when it's just a huge dislike of being in the spotlight. (Being shy myself, and having had exactly the same things said to me, I can sympathise if that is the case.) You can be skilled and good at what you do, and even appear to have a huge amount of confidence when talking about yourself (your job may even 'be' about confidence to many people - mine is!) and yet inside you feel extremely vulnerable and not confident at all (which is how I feel!).
Originally Posted by kochspostulates:
“Nothing wrong with her at all. But there are three blond women. The other two are trained dancers and have been on TV a lot.
She hasn't trained in dance and no one has seen her on TV before.
If she was in a different series where there were fewer trained dancers, she would have done better.”
“Nothing wrong with her at all. But there are three blond women. The other two are trained dancers and have been on TV a lot.
She hasn't trained in dance and no one has seen her on TV before.
If she was in a different series where there were fewer trained dancers, she would have done better.”
Not sure her hair colour has much to do with it - but maybe that's because I'm a woman and don't use people's hair colour or style as a judging parameter! The dance thing may be more pertinent, and Chemmy isn't a naturally elegant dancer (although I thought she was hugely improved last night) but I'm not sure if being a trained dancer is as important as it might seem - after all, Gaynor Faye wasn't a trained dancer, and was quite ungainly in her build too, but she went on to win (against, I think, competitors such as Bonnie Langford who is a trained dancer... although my memory maybe wrong about having them both in the same series!).
Maybe to some extent the lack of being known before the show starts was an issue in the early weeks, but we've had other competitors in previous years who also weren't that well-known before the show started, and who went on to reach the final/semi-final stages. We got to know them as the series progressed and they were judged accordingly. Which is what makes me wonder if, fairly or not, when all is said and done it's still mainly down to how Chemmy comes over to the majority of the TV audience at home. When you get to this stage of the competition it's less about automatic fan base votes and more about the skating, even if it hasn't been up until this point. At this stage last year we lost Johnson and Denise, both of whom had stayed over weaker skaters prior to the team challenge though votes alone.
Originally Posted by petertard:
“The VT showed her sulking and arguing with her partner.”
“The VT showed her sulking and arguing with her partner.”
Well, to be fair, they show what they want to show out of hours of training footage - others may have argued, we just haven't seen it. It made for good TV last night, and it may not have helped looking at last night's voting in isolation, but Chemmy has been in the bottom two before when her VT has been positive.
Originally Posted by ladydancer1:
“I thought we saw a lighter side of Chemmy last night in the girls group. Perhaps she comes across too focused and to be honest I did'nt know who she was before she came on the show. I like to see a good partnership between the Celeb and Professional and I have'nt seen that between her and her partner. I don't know him either and he's not come across as well as the other pro's. I can't put my finger on why.”
“I thought we saw a lighter side of Chemmy last night in the girls group. Perhaps she comes across too focused and to be honest I did'nt know who she was before she came on the show. I like to see a good partnership between the Celeb and Professional and I have'nt seen that between her and her partner. I don't know him either and he's not come across as well as the other pro's. I can't put my finger on why.”
I agree we saw a lighter side of her last night - it goes along with my theory that Chemmy genuinely isn't all that comfortable in front of the camera because that's not something she's used to. She has probably taken this long to 'unbend' and relax into the performance side of things. She hasn't always come across as warm, or very accepting of the fact she's not as good as maybe she wanted to be.
As regards Shaun, Chemmy is like anyone who is very driven, but who has only ever had to consider themselves in training for their craft. To suddenly have to include a partner in their considerations doesn't always come easily when you're used to being a solo operator. That's maybe why she and Shaun haven't always come across as having a good working relationship at times. Shaun is new too, so we don't know him all that well, but he also seems quite shy compared to pros like Dan and Matt Evers, and maybe that makes him seem a bit aloof too, and even more so when on TV in something as exposed as DOI!
Sorry for being long-winded, and hopefully the Chemmy fans cans see that I'm trying to be objective where I can be. I think she's come on in leaps and bounds in the last week or so, and I really want to warm to her (and I have a bit) but it's not 'happening' for me as much as I expected it too!
I like Chemmy and there is nothing wrong with her personality. She had a bit of a tiff with her partner, but they are obviously great friends, and he loves her, and it's actually perfectly healthy to have a bit of a bickering session from time to time given the pressure they are all under.
Chemmy is a strong skater, but I feel like she might be reaching the end of her journey. If she'd gone before Andy, I'd have been furious. Everyone else remaining has different strengths and weaknesses, and with Jen making big steps forward with her skating, I'd say it's now down to personal preference amongst voters who deserves to stay out of the two of them.
Chemmy is a strong skater, but I feel like she might be reaching the end of her journey. If she'd gone before Andy, I'd have been furious. Everyone else remaining has different strengths and weaknesses, and with Jen making big steps forward with her skating, I'd say it's now down to personal preference amongst voters who deserves to stay out of the two of them.
Yep, I really like Chemmy. I think she's hilarious and was only saying to someone last night that I bet she'd be a scream on a girl's night out. The girl seems to be up for anything!
I certainly don't get the 'humourless.. takes herself too seriously.. not warm' thing from her at all... and that's from a Northern female.
I certainly don't get the 'humourless.. takes herself too seriously.. not warm' thing from her at all... and that's from a Northern female.
”
I can't believe how much negativity there is about Chemmy at the moment. I think she's amazing! She's my favourite of the girls who are still in the competition - I think she seems really nice and genuine, but I also enjoy her skating a great deal. I'd love her to make the final but am happy at least she's made the top 5!
Originally Posted by Spike54:
“Too posh perhaps??”
“Too posh perhaps??”
Is she posh though? She's only from Twickenham, at very best that's only middle class. It's not like she's landed gentry with a royal in the ancestry.
To be fair, I like Chemmy. I like her spunkiness, I like the fact she was calling out details of the moves in "learn 23 moves on ice or be gone" week, when poor Seb went out. I think theres a lot about her, and I do appreciate that.
BUT what I see on ice is a girl not really built for ice-dance, ice-dancing to the best of her ability, but its simply not working and fact is, likely itll never work as per Sharon Davies in the past. Shes simply too big and muscular. And that should not and never should detract from her real goal, which is recovering enough to go back to her skiing, and in such regard I wish her the absolute best. I think shes got a fab future ahead of her if she can only put behind her the horrors of her accident. I seen similar things with Motor racing, breaks lead to all sorts of problems. Go for it Chemmy, as I believe in you and your worth as a Skier, if not as a DOI finallist.
BUT what I see on ice is a girl not really built for ice-dance, ice-dancing to the best of her ability, but its simply not working and fact is, likely itll never work as per Sharon Davies in the past. Shes simply too big and muscular. And that should not and never should detract from her real goal, which is recovering enough to go back to her skiing, and in such regard I wish her the absolute best. I think shes got a fab future ahead of her if she can only put behind her the horrors of her accident. I seen similar things with Motor racing, breaks lead to all sorts of problems. Go for it Chemmy, as I believe in you and your worth as a Skier, if not as a DOI finallist.
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“The vote is almost certainly largely female, working class, older and northern. Chemmy doesn't tick 3 of those boxes and being female is usually a problem not a benefit.There's a long list of southern pretty girls who fail to get votes on reality tV shows in line with their ability. Jennifer and Jorgie tick more of those boxes, and are more well known to TV audiences. Jorgie also has 5 + times Chemmy's twitter following, and Matt has 10 times Sean's - so there's also an advantage there with a
ny younger vote. Jennifer is an actress and dancer, and can use that ability in her routines, Jorgie ticks those boxes too, and provides most of the show's wow factor too . That eats into the vote thats prepared to vote for a female. Chemmy's strong skating skills won't win her as many votes unless she can do something eye catching with them - Chris and Ray could spin and jump and move very fast - which is easier to see and more watchable than all the good things Robin goes on and on about.
She shouldn't have been in the bottom two, and I am not sure she's the only one getting too few votes if that can be the result.”
“The vote is almost certainly largely female, working class, older and northern. Chemmy doesn't tick 3 of those boxes and being female is usually a problem not a benefit.There's a long list of southern pretty girls who fail to get votes on reality tV shows in line with their ability. Jennifer and Jorgie tick more of those boxes, and are more well known to TV audiences. Jorgie also has 5 + times Chemmy's twitter following, and Matt has 10 times Sean's - so there's also an advantage there with a
ny younger vote. Jennifer is an actress and dancer, and can use that ability in her routines, Jorgie ticks those boxes too, and provides most of the show's wow factor too . That eats into the vote thats prepared to vote for a female. Chemmy's strong skating skills won't win her as many votes unless she can do something eye catching with them - Chris and Ray could spin and jump and move very fast - which is easier to see and more watchable than all the good things Robin goes on and on about.
She shouldn't have been in the bottom two, and I am not sure she's the only one getting too few votes if that can be the result.”
That wasnt a nice thing to say about chico,and I would be amazed if jorgi was topping the public vote,I think chico would be a worthy winner,good skater and has a personality
I think the reason that people think Chemmy is posh is partly down to the fact that she had Zara Phillips in her supporters in the studios one week and well if your not posh you don't generally have members of the Royal Family coming along to support you in a tv show.
Where the connection has come from I don't know but I did wonder as to how you just get a royal tagging on in your supporters and that came across as a little bit showing off IMO.
I just can't take to Chemmy either don't know what it is exactly something just doesn't connect for me and I even find her looking a bit sulky when waiting for the results I know they are all nervous and don't want to be in the skate off but sometimes I find her expression sulky rather than nervous.
I have also gone off Sean a bit in recent weeks as well as Chemmy which is partly down to This Morning last week when Jeff dared to criticise Chemmy which he was within his rights to do giving his opinion Sean basically started having a go at Jeff on Twitter because he had dared to say anything against Chemmy and Jeff had to basically go and apologise on Twitter for simply stating an honest opinion which I think was totally wrong. Sean seems to only want to see positivity etc and sounds off if anything doesn't seem to meet his expectations in his timeline.
Same thing happened this week on Twitter when Jeff dared to tweet what people thought of Jorgie Matt read it wrongly and started to have a go at Jeff. Matt was forced to apologise eventually when he actually read the tweets properly but thats another story,
I think Sean is competative as well and combined with Chemmy makes it come across as a bit too determined and neither seem particularly engaging or warm.
Where the connection has come from I don't know but I did wonder as to how you just get a royal tagging on in your supporters and that came across as a little bit showing off IMO.
I just can't take to Chemmy either don't know what it is exactly something just doesn't connect for me and I even find her looking a bit sulky when waiting for the results I know they are all nervous and don't want to be in the skate off but sometimes I find her expression sulky rather than nervous.
I have also gone off Sean a bit in recent weeks as well as Chemmy which is partly down to This Morning last week when Jeff dared to criticise Chemmy which he was within his rights to do giving his opinion Sean basically started having a go at Jeff on Twitter because he had dared to say anything against Chemmy and Jeff had to basically go and apologise on Twitter for simply stating an honest opinion which I think was totally wrong. Sean seems to only want to see positivity etc and sounds off if anything doesn't seem to meet his expectations in his timeline.
Same thing happened this week on Twitter when Jeff dared to tweet what people thought of Jorgie Matt read it wrongly and started to have a go at Jeff. Matt was forced to apologise eventually when he actually read the tweets properly but thats another story,
I think Sean is competative as well and combined with Chemmy makes it come across as a bit too determined and neither seem particularly engaging or warm.
Originally Posted by Tiggergirl:
“I think the reason that people think Chemmy is posh is partly down to the fact that she had Zara Phillips in her supporters in the studios one week and well if your not posh you don't generally have members of the Royal Family coming along to support you in a tv show.
Where the connection has come from I don't know but I did wonder as to how you just get a royal tagging on in your supporters and that came across as a little bit showing off IMO”
“I think the reason that people think Chemmy is posh is partly down to the fact that she had Zara Phillips in her supporters in the studios one week and well if your not posh you don't generally have members of the Royal Family coming along to support you in a tv show.
Where the connection has come from I don't know but I did wonder as to how you just get a royal tagging on in your supporters and that came across as a little bit showing off IMO”
.
They became friends when a mutual sponsor introduced them a few years ago .... both being Olympic sportswomen I would imagine they have a lot of contacts and acquaintences in common .... I like how Zara is pretty down to earth and turns up at "regular" shows to support her friends .. to me it's no different than the other celebs having "showbiz" friends in the audience .... it's not like it was The Queen sitting there
Originally Posted by diamond1:
“.
They became friends when a mutual sponsor introduced them a few years ago .... both being Olympic sportswomen I would imagine they have a lot of contacts and acquaintences in common .... I like how Zara is pretty down to earth and turns up at "regular" shows to support her friends .. to me it's no different than the other celebs having "showbiz" friends in the audience .... it's not like it was The Queen sitting there”
“.
They became friends when a mutual sponsor introduced them a few years ago .... both being Olympic sportswomen I would imagine they have a lot of contacts and acquaintences in common .... I like how Zara is pretty down to earth and turns up at "regular" shows to support her friends .. to me it's no different than the other celebs having "showbiz" friends in the audience .... it's not like it was The Queen sitting there
”
I don't have a problem with it as such although I don't think it had to be brought up and mentioned in the show which is why I found it a bit of a show off thing just commenting that could be a contributing factor as to why people think Chemmy is posh as most people wont have anywhere near those kind of connections not even those in showbiz circles.
Originally Posted by Tiggergirl:
“I don't have a problem with it as such although I don't think it had to be brought up and mentioned in the show which is why I found it a bit of a show off thing just commenting that could be a contributing factor as to why people think Chemmy is posh as most people wont have anywhere near those kind of connections not even those in showbiz circles.”
“I don't have a problem with it as such although I don't think it had to be brought up and mentioned in the show which is why I found it a bit of a show off thing just commenting that could be a contributing factor as to why people think Chemmy is posh as most people wont have anywhere near those kind of connections not even those in showbiz circles.”
I agree, it could be thought of as showing off, especially when Chemmy said 'They invited me to their wedding so I invited them here'.
Originally Posted by Tiggergirl:
“I think the reason that people think Chemmy is posh is partly down to the fact that she had Zara Phillips in her supporters in the studios one week and well if your not posh you don't generally have members of the Royal Family coming along to support you in a tv show.
Where the connection has come from I don't know but I did wonder as to how you just get a royal tagging on in your supporters and that came across as a little bit showing off IMO.
”
“I think the reason that people think Chemmy is posh is partly down to the fact that she had Zara Phillips in her supporters in the studios one week and well if your not posh you don't generally have members of the Royal Family coming along to support you in a tv show.
Where the connection has come from I don't know but I did wonder as to how you just get a royal tagging on in your supporters and that came across as a little bit showing off IMO.
”
Holly Valance had Princess Bea in the SCD audience and I think her only claim to poshness is through her boyfriend.
Don't recall anyone holding it against her.
Not sure why Chemmy fails to engage the audience. Can only suppose that the others all have an existing fanbase from their careers outside DOI. Many sports stars are known only by sports fans and even then few know much about winter sports competitors so Chemmy's had to fight harder than anyone else in the competition to gather a fanbase.
Originally Posted by Pandy65:
“To be fair, I like Chemmy. I like her spunkiness, I like the fact she was calling out details of the moves in "learn 23 moves on ice or be gone" week, when poor Seb went out. I think theres a lot about her, and I do appreciate that.
BUT what I see on ice is a girl not really built for ice-dance, ice-dancing to the best of her ability, but its simply not working and fact is, likely itll never work as per Sharon Davies in the past. Shes simply too big and muscular. And that should not and never should detract from her real goal, which is recovering enough to go back to her skiing, and in such regard I wish her the absolute best. I think shes got a fab future ahead of her if she can only put behind her the horrors of her accident. I seen similar things with Motor racing, breaks lead to all sorts of problems. Go for it Chemmy, as I believe in you and your worth as a Skier, if not as a DOI finallist.”
“To be fair, I like Chemmy. I like her spunkiness, I like the fact she was calling out details of the moves in "learn 23 moves on ice or be gone" week, when poor Seb went out. I think theres a lot about her, and I do appreciate that.
BUT what I see on ice is a girl not really built for ice-dance, ice-dancing to the best of her ability, but its simply not working and fact is, likely itll never work as per Sharon Davies in the past. Shes simply too big and muscular. And that should not and never should detract from her real goal, which is recovering enough to go back to her skiing, and in such regard I wish her the absolute best. I think shes got a fab future ahead of her if she can only put behind her the horrors of her accident. I seen similar things with Motor racing, breaks lead to all sorts of problems. Go for it Chemmy, as I believe in you and your worth as a Skier, if not as a DOI finallist.”
I agree with you that Chemmy is not built for ice-dancing. She is a capable skater but she is just not graceful in any way and her performances are very often 'jerky'. I don't like watching her at all and it's not because I do not like her, she just isn't made to be on the ice as a dancer, whereas Jorgie is an all-rounder and Jen has come on leaps and bounds. They both look great on the ice.
I do wish her all the best with her skiing
While I'm a Chemmy fan, it strikes me that she's actually been quite lucky to get as far as she has. Sure, she's won a couple of SOs on her own merits, but if Seb hadn't forgotten his solo SO steps, or if Chemmy hadn't had a rebound vote in the week that Sam and Chico (who both scored higher than her) were in the SO...who knows where we'd be?
The argument about the amount of support for the pros is an intriguing one. I guess Sean and Nina are the only two without a profile from last year, and obviously Nina doesn't have to worry about pulling votes. Maybe if Chico gets voted off (and it could happen - for my money he's stopped improving while Jen and Chemmy are getting better) Jodeyne could push for more votes for her pro partner
The argument about the amount of support for the pros is an intriguing one. I guess Sean and Nina are the only two without a profile from last year, and obviously Nina doesn't have to worry about pulling votes. Maybe if Chico gets voted off (and it could happen - for my money he's stopped improving while Jen and Chemmy are getting better) Jodeyne could push for more votes for her pro partner
Originally Posted by Pandy65:
“To be fair, I like Chemmy. I like her spunkiness, I like the fact she was calling out details of the moves in "learn 23 moves on ice or be gone" week, when poor Seb went out. I think theres a lot about her, and I do appreciate that.”
“To be fair, I like Chemmy. I like her spunkiness, I like the fact she was calling out details of the moves in "learn 23 moves on ice or be gone" week, when poor Seb went out. I think theres a lot about her, and I do appreciate that.”
Me too - I'm glad someone brought that up. It's beyond me how people can find Chemmy to be cold after her reaction to Seb's emotional exit, that showed her to be very caring and compassionate. Yes, she wants to do well in the competition, but not to the extent of wanting her rivals to suffer like that... I think she's got the perfect balance.
Originally Posted by Tiggergirl:
“I have also gone off Sean a bit in recent weeks as well as Chemmy which is partly down to This Morning last week when Jeff dared to criticise Chemmy which he was within his rights to do giving his opinion Sean basically started having a go at Jeff on Twitter because he had dared to say anything against Chemmy and Jeff had to basically go and apologise on Twitter for simply stating an honest opinion which I think was totally wrong. Sean seems to only want to see positivity etc and sounds off if anything doesn't seem to meet his expectations in his timeline.
Same thing happened this week on Twitter when Jeff dared to tweet what people thought of Jorgie Matt read it wrongly and started to have a go at Jeff. Matt was forced to apologise eventually when he actually read the tweets properly but thats another story.”
“I have also gone off Sean a bit in recent weeks as well as Chemmy which is partly down to This Morning last week when Jeff dared to criticise Chemmy which he was within his rights to do giving his opinion Sean basically started having a go at Jeff on Twitter because he had dared to say anything against Chemmy and Jeff had to basically go and apologise on Twitter for simply stating an honest opinion which I think was totally wrong. Sean seems to only want to see positivity etc and sounds off if anything doesn't seem to meet his expectations in his timeline.
Same thing happened this week on Twitter when Jeff dared to tweet what people thought of Jorgie Matt read it wrongly and started to have a go at Jeff. Matt was forced to apologise eventually when he actually read the tweets properly but thats another story.”
I think it's nice that the pro skaters want to stick up for their partners, and Sean seems like a lovely guy to me. I would be more inclined to question how Jeff has managed to upset Chemmy, Sean & Matt E all within the space of about a week!
Originally Posted by Tejas:
“I think it's nice that the pro skaters want to stick up for their partners, and Sean seems like a lovely guy to me. I would be more inclined to question how Jeff has managed to upset Chemmy, Sean & Matt E all within the space of about a week!”
“I think it's nice that the pro skaters want to stick up for their partners, and Sean seems like a lovely guy to me. I would be more inclined to question how Jeff has managed to upset Chemmy, Sean & Matt E all within the space of about a week!”
All he did was state on This Morning that he had a slight moan about Chemmy he did like her but was getting a bit fed up of the constant references to her doing this as rehabilitation for her injury and so she could get back to skiing etc when she was spoken to after her routines. Sean and Chemmy appeared to take exception to him daring to express this negative view as it appears people should only give constant positive critique. Surely it is better to be able to take all forms of critique both the postive or negative rather than picking a fight with someone who I think does have a valid point as I have even tired of the ongoing references to it.
With Matt it was a case of him not actually bothering to read things properly before sounding off. Jeff had asked people to give their views on Jorgies performance which is fair enough. He then posted a bit later that people liked Jorgie but were thinking that she should not be so attached to Matt at this stage in the competition.
Matt then came on and started ranting at Jeff and telling him not to criticise T&Ds choreo and that Jorgie proved she could skate on her own etc having not bothered to read it properly he did apologise later but it was very much Matt in the wrong on that occasion.
I'm not such a fan of Matt these days I tend to find he goes in to situations too quick like this more often these days without checking all the facts before he vents.
Originally Posted by Tiggergirl:
“All he did was state on This Morning that he had a slight moan about Chemmy he did like her but was getting a bit fed up of the constant references to her doing this as rehabilitation for her injury and so she could get back to skiing etc when she was spoken to after her routines. Sean and Chemmy appeared to take exception to him daring to express this negative view as it appears people should only give constant positive critique. Surely it is better to be able to take all forms of critique both the postive or negative rather than picking a fight with someone who I think does have a valid point as I have even tired of the ongoing references to it.”
“All he did was state on This Morning that he had a slight moan about Chemmy he did like her but was getting a bit fed up of the constant references to her doing this as rehabilitation for her injury and so she could get back to skiing etc when she was spoken to after her routines. Sean and Chemmy appeared to take exception to him daring to express this negative view as it appears people should only give constant positive critique. Surely it is better to be able to take all forms of critique both the postive or negative rather than picking a fight with someone who I think does have a valid point as I have even tired of the ongoing references to it.”
I can kind of see your point, but I don't agree with it. I never understood why Johnson hoovered up so many votes last year because of his background and his journey when, in some ways, Chemmy is in a similar position. The difference being that she can skate really well.
It's funny how some people get moaned at for talking about past hardships, injuries etc. yet others milk it to death and get loads of sympathy votes! I'll never understand people.
4 of 4
