OK so I know its supposed to be T and D and the whole thing about it being their show. However, in SCD the pros choreograph their own routines and as such it makes them more a part of the show. I think sometimes T&D give certain skaters certain routines to achieve a certain outcome. I also wonder about bias and if they have favourites.

At least if the pros choreographed for their own partners at least then it would be more competitive and imho fairer. It also makes it a real partnership.

All been said before. Not all the pro-skaters are able to choreograph, or words to that effect, more or less.

I SO agree with you on this !!!!!!! That would be a great idea! Even if they did it for 1 week only...it would be super to watch.

And I'm sorry...but T&D have put the same routines on the tv since season 1...time to see something new.

I agree Torvile and Dean's is kinda boring sometimes.

I would love if the pros got to choreo the routines or at least have more say in them.
On Jens VT tonight there was a comment about Dan suggesting a lift and also think he had more input in their routine this week and look at the difference in the skating and the marks?

Well then only hire the ones who can. obvious imho.

It would probably breach the BBC's copyright over the Strictly Ice Dancing format. I never understood why having practically invented this show the Beeb let ITV get in there with T&D and a slightly different format to do the show.

Answer: Laura and Colin's Bolero.

Yeeeeouch

It would be obvious but getting those kind of Pro skaters would be very hard.

It would have been interesting if Robin was allowed to choreograph the boys team tonight & Katarina the girls. I've noticed this series some of the music & moves have been used before. Maybe T & D are getting bored with the show. Even the great T & D can only come up with so many original routines.

Seems inevitable - how many memorable routines did they produce at their prime, or anyone else? Its true though of SCD too - we have seen most of the best routines we will ever see there - however, much they overmark a Harry or Jason.

You are right, though, Jorgie's routines are borrowing heavily from Suzanne. Mathews are not ringing bells as much but are less striking - but he's not actually able to do the equivalent moves by the likes of Ray or Chris.

They are getting some routines where the music and the story come together well - with someone who can act them and do something that looks good or exciting. Jorgie with a few more moves and a longer routine is getting very near to something memorable.

I agree with those who say that the choreography can't be left entirely to the pros as not all of them are any good at it

But so saying that I think that T&D's choreography is getting very repetitive and it frustrates me when there's overkill of "static dancing" in a lot of the routines ... especially when it's a celeb who's more than capable of skating and doesn't need the "fillers" ... tonight I thought that both Chico and Jorgie had a lot of static dancing in their routines and neither of them really need it as they're decent skaters

And in this instance, your opinion should be humble. Your blasé point is rather weak as you obviously have no idea of any of the logistics or other requirements involved in putting together a cast of pro skaters with a competent level of choreographic talent..

there are hundreds if not thousands of pro-skaters out there from all countries who can do the skating to a competent enough level to carry off dancing a few minutes on the ice with a relative novice, and make it look good. It should be easy for T&D and the other advisors in the show with all their connections to find half a dozen of each gender who are upto the task of choreographing their own routines. Its not rocket science. Like recruiting for any other "role" on a TV show. I am sure that some of them already on the show can choreograph given the chance to do so. Something needs to be done to make it more interesting to watch.

T&D are over-rated skaters that won a gold medal nearly 30 years ago under the old rusty scoring system which allowed possibility of a perfect score. They wouldn't have achieved what they did had it been the modern precise technical scoring. Their bollero was indeed beautiful, elegant and just superb but enough already, they're hardly skating gods. What Robin and Katarina achieved took much MUCH more talent than mere dancing on ice. Still T&D have done bloody brilliantly generating a popular program starting only with the popularity of their single gold medal routine, but I think Jayne Torvill needs to stop standing there like a lemon, trying to look all posh and royal as if waiting for people to kneel down and kiss her hand. And I also wish all the contestants stopped licking T&D a**e

Unbelievable. One gold medal? Are you aware of T and D's medal record and what they achieved in competitition over 20 years? And I think modern ice dancing is grotesque and ugly IMO and nothing to make me smile with joy like Mack and Mabel or Barnum. Or beautiful like Song of India.

They are great artists and should be respected as such. Without them DOI would be canned faster than you can say ice.

I posted about this in another thread when this issue was raised before. Yes there may be plenty of skaters out there who can choreograph etc and would be more than capable of doing a show like DOI and choreographing new routines each week however not all of them actually want to be involved in a show like DOI. Many are taking part in other shows throughout the world. I think people do forget that as well as the shows here there are numerous shows going on throughout the year outside of the UK and many will be involved in those. Some are coaching and training those who are still competiting and won't want to give up their time to come do what is essentially a little show teaching some celebs to skate.

Also it would surprise you as there are probably not as many out there as you think that are capable of choreographing. I think the majority of skaters competing get their routines choreographed for them and those in shows will mostly get everything choreographed and they just have to learn it.

Also asides from the logistics of getting skaters who can choreo you then have to make sure that they are going to apppeal to your viewing public as well. It's all very well having amazing choreographers but if they don't connect to the general public then they aren't going to be interested. Its getting all the factors that work that makes it difficult.

Also I'm sure there would be outcry if all the pros were suddenly ditched in favour of an all new cast. People have gotten used to certain pros always being part of the production and some will watch purely because they want to support their favourite pro skater so again that would be an issue and it would take time for new skaters to build up a good connection to the audience.

I do feel that if the pros choreographed their own routines it would be fairer. T and D can manipulate who does well by giving them an exciting routine and the opposite is also true. The girls got a much better routine so that they won the team challenge which in turn helped to eliminate Andy. DOI has become like Strictly they do not trust the public to chose the best celeb.

I do so agree with you. Also, why can't Robin do it, maybe just the once, but he is a far better choreographer than Mr Dean.

Because it's ON ICE!!! You might as well say the concept of a judging panel and voting people off one a week is stolen from Pop Idol - which itself was probably copied off something else!

The poster is not talking about Strictly Come Dancing they are taking about Strictly Ice Dancing which funnily enough as the name suggests was on ICE. It was more based around the SCD show but on ice.

It was done a number of years before DOI and was done as a one off Xmas special. Not sure if the pros choreographed the routines themselves for that show though as there was no key involvement from anyone like T&D. David Seaman won it and Jessica Taylor came second which is why I always thought it unfair they were taking part in DOI as they had been given some previous ice skating training.

Dan was involved in that show as was Robert Burgerman one of the DOI coaches can't remember all of the other pros involved offhand.

Its also more difficult getting pros in to choreo their own routines as the pros come from a mixture of skating backgrounds. You will have some that are from the ice dance training but you will have some who are singles skaters or pairs or adagio which brings in all different elements so again depending on what you actually want from the show it may be difficult to get the full number of skaters qualified in that area to do the show.

Is he though? I would say he's on a similar level, not better. I'm happy with the choreography as it is.

It probably wouldn't be fair to have one of the judges choosing choreography plus I doubt Robin would have the time, he's involved in too many other projects . he was choreographing his own ice spectacular, he commentates on various ice skating competitions plus he's touring the UK on and off playing Teen Angel in Grease so he's a busy boy

Don't forget Robin choreographed the 'Get It Started' routine for show 1 of last year's series which was also the opening routine for the tour. If I remember rightly, some people on here were quite critical of it!