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Old 08-03-2012, 18:18
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With Gotye at number 1 for such a substantial time, We are Young likely to do the same and the inevitable affect of Adele's 21 on the next crop of pop records, are we finally going to see the demise of the 'in the club, Jamaica to Africa, all about tonight,' pop music scene that has so far characterised the decade?
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Old 08-03-2012, 18:32
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hopefully,
but I highly doubt it
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Old 08-03-2012, 18:35
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I see music such as Gotye's and Adele's as 'mainstream alternatives'. The reason they are so successful, imo, is due to their distinction from the majority of the commercial hits around at this time rather than a shift in mainstream musical tastes.
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Old 08-03-2012, 18:40
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I cant cope with more David Guetta music.
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Old 08-03-2012, 18:42
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Well not really 2010 started off with Fireflies didn't end club music then did it.
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Old 08-03-2012, 18:42
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What kind of impact will Adele have? At the Grammys, to me, Nicky Minaj and Lady Gaga seemed dated all of a sudden. From what i've heard about Katy Perry's new record, she plans a shift towards this direction?
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Old 08-03-2012, 18:50
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The sooner pre-teen downloaders realise that LMFAO,Dappy,Tinchy Stryder,Drake,Pitbull,Nicki Minj and all other rappypop artists are not 'cool' & realise that good wholesome pop music by folk who can sing/play their own instruments,that'll be when the singles chart can show some musical promise.

The album chart is fine as it is,some credible artists amongst the Top 20.It's just the singles chart needs to mature a bit.

2012 could be a good year for chart music if legal downloaders wake up & smell the musical coffee & add a bit more milk,with less sugar.
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Old 08-03-2012, 18:52
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Club music is slightly dying out. I believe R&B is making a comeback or at least watered down less in your face Pop.
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Old 08-03-2012, 18:52
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What kind of impact will Adele have? At the Grammys, to me, Nicky Minaj and Lady Gaga seemed dated all of a sudden. From what i've heard about Katy Perry's new record, she plans a shift towards this direction?
Katy Perrys new song 'Part of me' sounds like her previous releases from 'Teenage Dream'.One trick pop-pony.
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Old 08-03-2012, 18:56
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Katy Perrys new song 'Part of me' sounds like her previous releases from 'Teenage Dream'.One trick pop-pony.
I meant next album.

Not that I expect it to be good, but perhaps Adele's legacy will be a series of imitations, less pageantry, some rip-off love balads, less 'Vegas to Africa'.
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Old 08-03-2012, 19:03
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Ah,ok..no worries,

Not that I expect it to be good, but perhaps Adele's legacy will be a series of imitations, less pageantry, some rip-off love balads, less 'Vegas to Africa'.
Methinx Adele will be around in 5 years time,whereas Katy Perry won't be.
Despite both starting their chart career with a UK Top 3 single in 2008,Adele's done surprisingly well despite not being a slim American vocalist,like Katy.Adeles songs (generally) appeal to older women while Katys is more teen-pop orientated.
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Old 08-03-2012, 19:06
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The sooner pre-teen downloaders realise that LMFAO,Dappy,Tinchy Stryder,Drake,Pitbull,Nicki Minj and all other rappypop artists are not 'cool' & realise that good wholesome pop music by folk who can sing/play their own instruments,that'll be when the singles chart can show some musical promise.

The album chart is fine as it is,some credible artists amongst the Top 20.It's just the singles chart needs to mature a bit.

2012 could be a good year for chart music if legal downloaders wake up & smell the musical coffee & add a bit more milk,with less sugar.
People have different tastes, not everyone is going to agree with you just because you like it.

IMO Drake is brilliant to listen to lyrically, and LMFAO is just a club dance group and gets people to dance.

You need diversity. You can't have ballads all the time, and you can't have all dance. I think 2012 has been great so far, there have been diverse #1s.
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Old 08-03-2012, 19:07
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Ah,ok..no worries,



Methinx Adele will be around in 5 years time,whereas Katy Perry won't be.
Despite both starting their chart career with a UK Top 3 single in 2008,Adele's done surprisingly well despite not being a slim American vocalist,like Katy.Adeles songs (generally) appeal to older women while Katys is more teen-pop orientated.
Surely Adele's success won't simply be ignored by other artists? Clearly there is a massive appetite for this quality of music still. To me 'Vegas to Africa' seems so irrelevant and cheap now in the context of Adele-mania.
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Old 08-03-2012, 19:43
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I follow the charts a lot, and I'm definitely seeing a shift at the moment.

A few weeks ago, there was not ONE club song in the top 10 on US iTunes. That's a really big thing, since for most of last year there was 7 or 8 at least in any given top 10.

RnB and hip hop seem to be making a bit of a comeback, both in the US and the UK. And more alternative-styled pop aswell, like Gotye, who's currently #1 in the UK, and fun. who are currently #1 in the US. I think both the rise in urban music and alternative-styled pop are partly down to Adele. Someone Like You (and other songs like Empire State of Mind, Jar of Hearts, etc.) have made mainstream radio stations realize not everything that they play needs a club beat, hence more urban music back now.

Lady Gaga and Ke$ha can't be happy about dance pop and electropop having less success in the chart atm though.
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Old 08-03-2012, 19:46
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I follow the charts a lot, and I'm definitely seeing a shift at the moment.

A few weeks ago, there was not ONE club song in the top 10 on US iTunes. That's a really big thing, since for most of last year there was 7 or 8 at least in any given top 10.

RnB and hip hop seem to be making a bit of a comeback, both in the US and the UK. And more alternative-styled pop aswell, like Gotye, who's currently #1 in the UK, and fun. who are currently #1 in the US. I think both the rise in urban music and alternative-styled pop are partly down to Adele. Someone Like You (and other songs like Empire State of Mind, Jar of Hearts, etc.) have made mainstream radio stations realize not everything that they play needs a club beat, hence more urban music back now.

Lady Gaga and Ke$ha can't be happy about dance pop and electropop having less success in the chart atm though.
I agree that we have seen a shift, but I won't start celebrating yet, its usually in the summer when the big, dumb dance/club songs come out.
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Old 08-03-2012, 19:52
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I agree that we have seen a shift, but I won't start celebrating yet, its usually in the summer when the big, dumb dance/club songs come out.
Yeah, it's best not to get our hopes up I guess. It is possible that it's just coincidence we've got all these big hits out at the same time, so we'll have to see what happens in the long run.

Taio Cruz has a generic club song that's shooting up the UK chart atm...
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Old 08-03-2012, 19:57
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Too soon to tell. It's a phase. Disco, to 80s staple tunes. You know an 80s song when you hear it. We've gone from blues, to rock n roll, to disco, to the high flying 80s, to r&b dominating in the 90s, to brit pop and the rise of teen pop, and then r&b again, then uptempo pop music and now to dance. Things change. Adele has had a great, but commercially freak year (even in the history of music).

These songs, might/might not change things. There is great music out there, but you have to look. Adele wasn't the only one with a great non electro album. There was 4 (which hasn't sold nearly as well), and many others. It's a phase. Enjoy it. It's meant for a specific audience, and the party scene has blossomed from 2008 in the UK. It's only 4-5 years. Relax!! And you can't slate Dappy, LMFAO or Pitbull. They write their own stuff, and Dappy's music is really good (listen to it).
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Old 08-03-2012, 19:59
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Yeah, it's best not to get our hopes up I guess. It is possible that it's just coincidence we've got all these big hits out at the same time, so we'll have to see what happens in the long run.

Taio Cruz has a generic club song that's shooting up the UK chart atm...
It's not his fault. His debut was good, but it made next to no impact, and it was r&b. Dance makes people feel good. And you can't blame an artist for that.
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Old 08-03-2012, 20:02
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it'd be nice to think Adele, Emeli, and even Civil wars now indicates a shift back to music but i have doubts. Personally, iv'e never understood why anyone buys club/dance music..it may be ok in situ if you like that sort of thing but why would you want to listen to it at home?

people do though and i can't see em stopping overnight so i'm not over-optimistic about its demise
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Old 08-03-2012, 20:09
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it'd be nice to think Adele, Emeli, and even Civil wars now indicates a shift back to music but i have doubts. Personally, iv'e never understood why anyone buys club/dance music..it may be ok in situ if you like that sort of thing but why would you want to listen to it at home?

people do though and i can't see em stopping overnight so i'm not over-optimistic about its demise
Then you rave in your bedroom. The thing is, UK and US radios don't always show diversity. Capital play the same thing again and again.
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Old 08-03-2012, 20:09
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If there is a shift, I hope it's towards a more diverse chart with a bit of every genre. I like some dance music (though most songs that mention being 'in the club' should be deleted) and I like some of the more acoustic, Adele-type stuff although I really hate that Gotye song, far more than any recent David Guetta record. So a bit of everything would be nice. Not going to happen though...
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Old 08-03-2012, 20:16
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If there is a shift, I hope it's towards a more diverse chart with a bit of every genre. I like some dance music (though most songs that mention being 'in the club' should be deleted) and I like some of the more acoustic, Adele-type stuff although I really hate that Gotye song, far more than any recent David Guetta record. So a bit of everything would be nice. Not going to happen though...
I agree, it is a shame. I miss my childhood with r&b in it, and soul and pop, and rock too. I think the Gotye one is ok, but I don't get the hype. Same for the fun. track (I think the lead singer is screaming).
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Old 08-03-2012, 20:23
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It's funny because in 2011 the charts were full of generic dance songs but at the same ballads were also a big thing, songs such as Rolling In The Deep, Someone Like You, Set Fire To The Rain, Jar Of Hearts, Heaven, Skinny Love, Grenade, The A Team, Video Games etc were all massive hits too.

But I think this change in the direction of the charts is down to the 'hipsters'.
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Old 08-03-2012, 20:34
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Too soon to tell. It's a phase. Disco, to 80s staple tunes. You know an 80s song when you hear it. We've gone from blues, to rock n roll, to disco, to the high flying 80s, to r&b dominating in the 90s, to brit pop and the rise of teen pop, and then r&b again, then uptempo pop music and now to dance. Things change.
These songs, might/might not change things. There is great music out there, but you have to look.
it'd be nice to think Adele, Emeli, and even Civil wars now indicates a shift back to music but i have doubts. Personally, iv'e never understood why anyone buys club/dance music..it may be ok in situ if you like that sort of thing but why would you want to listen to it at home?

people do though and i can't see em stopping overnight so i'm not over-optimistic about its demise
If there is a shift, I hope it's towards a more diverse chart with a bit of every genre. I like some dance music (though most songs that mention being 'in the club' should be deleted) and I like some of the more acoustic, Adele-type stuff although I really hate that Gotye song, far more than any recent David Guetta record. So a bit of everything would be nice. Not going to happen though...
Agree with the BIB, music is like a cycle. I said in a previous thread a couple of days ago, that if you look back to 2005/06'Indie' and 'Rock' was huge - Arctic Monkeys, Razorlight, Kaiser Chiefs etc. 2007/08 brought forward Amy/Adele/Duffy/Gabriella Cilmi also stuff like Kings of Leon.
Also Calvin Harris teamed up with Dizzee Rascal on 'Dance Wiv Me'...

Usher's new track Climax shows a slight change from his 'OMG', 'More' dance sound http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIW4kZfvhY0&ob=av2e

Hopefully 2012 will be a musically diverse year chart wise!
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Old 08-03-2012, 21:54
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Agree with the BIB, music is like a cycle. I said in a previous thread a couple of days ago, that if you look back to 2005/06'Indie' and 'Rock' was huge - Arctic Monkeys, Razorlight, Kaiser Chiefs etc. 2007/08 brought forward Amy/Adele/Duffy/Gabriella Cilmi also stuff like Kings of Leon.
Also Calvin Harris teamed up with Dizzee Rascal on 'Dance Wiv Me'...

Usher's new track Climax shows a slight change from his 'OMG', 'More' dance sound http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIW4kZfvhY0&ob=av2e

Hopefully 2012 will be a musically diverse year chart wise!
Usher's new song is interesting, as it's more urban sounding, than the usual dance trash he's been doing the past few years. Climax is a very good song, but I'm feeling pessimistic about it. I think radio stations might refuse to play it because it's too slow and quiet, then the song will do badly in the charts, then Usher will release another dance song, then it'll go straight to #1, and we'll be back to square one.

Fingers crossed though, I'd love Climax to be a big hit.

Yes, alternative/rock/indie music was definitely big in 2005/2006, but so was RnB, and so was hip hop, and so was pop. I think there was a fair bit of variety in the charts at that time. Indie music wasn't dominating in 2005 anywhere near as much as electropop music dominated in 2011.
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