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F1 Coverage - The Verdict: 2012 Season (part 2)
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DS Forum Support
08-03-2012
Originally Posted by TV King:
“Thank you for the very kind heads up.

I will add these to my planner on my 1TB Sky+ HD PVR.

I really like the way people on this exellent thread are very kindly telling others of up and coming Formula 1, motor sport and car related programmes.

I hope this kindness continues.

And of corse if I come across any up and coming Formula 1, motor sport or car related programmes then I will post them on this very thread.

I have also seen the Sky Sports F1 intro with the link that was kindly provided earlier in this thread and I thought that it was very good and the theme tune Just Drive I think will grow on my but The Chain will to me always mean Formula 1 to me but that is probally because I am just so use to hearing it as the BBC's Formula 1 theme tune and it is an exellent song by and exellent band Fleetwood Mac which I have most of there albums on my iPod Touch.

But as I will be watching and recording the Formula 1 on Sky Sports F1 HD this year then I will over the year get used to Sky's Formula 1 theme tune Just Drive.”

[LIST]Admin Notice: This thread is a continuation of: http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1614709[/LIST]
D.M.N.
08-03-2012
Thank you mods! For those new to F1 in 2012 and unsure of the broadcasting rights with regards to BBC and Sky:

BBC F1
- Jake Humphrey (Presenter)
- Ben Edwards (Commentator)
- David Coulthard (Commentator + Pundit)
- Eddie Jordan (Pundit)
- Lee McKenzie (Pitlane + Inside F1 [BBC News])
- Gary Anderson (Pitlane)

* note: Lee McKenzie will be presenter at Canada, Europe, Germany and Hungary

BBC will screen
1) LIVE coverage of 10 race weekends: Practice (BBC Red Button), Qualifying, Race and Forum (BBC Red Button)
- 15 April: China
- 13 May: Spain
- 27 May: Monaco
- 24 June: Europe
- 8 July: Britain
- 2 September: Belgium
- 23 September: Singapore
- 14 October: Korea
- 4 November: Abu Dhabi
- 25 November: Brazil

2) Highlights of 10 race weekends: Qualifying, Race and Forum (BBC Red Button)
- 18 March: Australia (afternoon - 120 minutes)
- 25 March: Malaysia (afternoon - 120 minutes)
- 22 April: Bahrain (evening - 90 minutes)
- 10 June: Canada (late night - 120 minutes)
- 22 July: Germany (evening - 90 minutes)
- 29 July: Hungary (evening - 90 minutes)*
- 9 September: Italy (evening - 90 minutes)
- 7 October: Japan (afternoon - 120 minutes)
- 28 October: India (afternoon - 120 minutes)
- 18 November: USA (late night - 120 minutes)

* BBC Two due to Olympics
- Qualifying highlights will be 75 minutes

BBC 5 Live F1
- James Allen (Commentator)*
- Jaime Alguersuari (Commentator)
- Jennie Gow (Pitlane)

* note: Jonathan Legard will stand-in for James Allen at Canada, Europe and several races after the Olympics

BBC F1 is...
- available to watch/listen to again for up to 7 days on BBC iPlayer
- available to watch live online for the 10 races that they cover
- available to listen to live online for every race in 2012

Sky Sports F1
- Simon Lazenby (Presenter - Main)
- Georgie Thompson (Presenter - Magazine)
- Ted Kravitz (Presenter - Magazine + Pitlane)
- Steve Rider (Presenter - Legends)
- Martin Brundle (Commentator)
- David Croft (Commentator)
- Anthony Davidson (Commentator)
- Damon Hill (Pundit)
- Natalie Pinkham (Pitlane)

Sky Sports F1 will screen...
- every Qualifying and Race LIVE uninterrupted advert free
- every Practice session LIVE
- every GP2 and GP3 session LIVE
- along with a Legends programme outside of race weekends
- interviews and other tidbits on Sky Sports News with Rachel Brookes and Craig Slater reporters

Sky Sports F1 is...
- available to people with Sky on Channel 408 from March who have the HD package OR the Sports package
- available to people with Virgin Media on Channel 516 who have the Sky Sports package (SD only, HD channel is Sky exclusive)
- not available to people with Freeview or BT Vision
- available on Sky Go with the relevant subscription
- available on Xbox 360 for Sky customers with an Xbox LIVE Gold subscription

Other bits
- Eurosport will screen GP3 and Porsche Supercup
- The BBC and Sky Sports deal is 2012 through to 2018 inclusive
- BBC's theme tune is Fleetwood Mac - The Chain
- Sky's theme tune is Alistair Griffin - Just Drive

Updated on March 7th, 2012.

An archive can be found here from the past ten years.
MODTL
08-03-2012
Arius, FOM are a disgusting horrible company. They can't force me to take them down as hundreds of people upload photos. It's videos that I don't upload as FOM do claim copyright on that and shame on them. FOM bring F1 to disgrace.
I will keep my copyright notice on MY photos to protect my rights though as I don't believe FOM have any rights to them without asking me.
allthingsuk
08-03-2012
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Thank you mods! For those new to F1 in 2012 and unsure of the broadcasting rights with regards to BBC and Sky:”

Thanks DMN. Just wondering with the Season Reviews, once they get all of them out of the way, will they move onto full length classic grands prix? Seems like the next logical step to me - maybe start re-running full races in the May testing break when there's free time in the schedule.
wolvesdavid
08-03-2012
I think we know BBC will outrate F1 when they go head to head.

Surely Sky will be more bothered about getting subscribers.
alexj2002
08-03-2012
Originally Posted by jeffersbnl:
“If I'm remembering what arius said correctly- pre 1996 FOM own the races and commentary, 1997 onwards its the whole programme. I'd presume Sky can use what FOM own, anything more they'd need to go to the BBC.”

Not sure on that - I think even pre 1996 they'd own links etc. filmed at the track on race weekend, but even today things filmed away from the track are not FOM copyright just because they're in the program.

Even for a programme like 'Grand Prix', a separate copyright might exist for the editing work compared to the footage, so that latter may well be FOM but the former could be BBC.

You've also got to keep in mind that having the rights to show them is one thing, trying to prise the tapes off the BBC might be quite another!

Originally Posted by MODTL:
“Arius, FOM are a disgusting horrible company. They can't force me to take them down as hundreds of people upload photos. It's videos that I don't upload as FOM do claim copyright on that and shame on them. FOM bring F1 to disgrace.
I will keep my copyright notice on MY photos to protect my rights though as I don't believe FOM have any rights to them without asking me.”

Read the back of your ticket. They asked, and you said yes when you walked through the gate.
wolvesdavid
08-03-2012
Talking about the archive of action, Sky Sports have clips of drivers (even one putting his goggles on during the middle of driving the car, on their opening theme music.)

How far does Skys rights go back into the archive. Do they have footage from when GPS were first broadcasted (does anything exist from the 50s or 60s)

(I would love to see the 1957 Nurburgring race, Fangio won from being 80 seconds down.) The race report looks like it was a thrilling race.
gamercraig
08-03-2012
Originally Posted by wolvesdavid:
“I think we know BBC will outrate F1 when they go head to head.

Surely Sky will be more bothered about getting subscribers.”

didn't take long into the new thread.........
wolvesdavid
08-03-2012
Well it was continuing the old thread abouts Skys efforts to look for a sponsor for their coverage.

I am going to enjoy watching both the BBC and Sky, as the BBCs coverage has been excellant for the last 3 years, the best in the world according to many, and certainly the best it has ever been. Sky will have to go some to match it. But having an entire channel dedicated to F1 coverage throughout the whole weekend looks good.

Will the interactive options on Sky be available on replays of the races.
_SpeedRacer_
08-03-2012
Originally Posted by gamercraig:
“didn't take long into the new thread.........”

Even Sky's own prediction shows they don't expect to get half of the viewers the BBC were getting (for exclusive live races).
Doogy
08-03-2012
Been a long time F1 Coverage thread lurker so hello all

I've just signed up with Sky, literally a couple of hours ago, chose the necessary pack to get Sky Sports F1 HD and have set up my Sky ID.

Any ideas how long after setting up Sky ID til I get access to the Sky Go and Sky Sports News apps? Figured it might happen straight away or may not work until the installers been and set up my box and viewing card.

As of this moment the apps recognise my login but say I'm not subscribed
Fergie1
08-03-2012
Originally Posted by Doogy:
“Been a long time F1 Coverage thread lurker so hello all

I've just signed up with Sky, literally a couple of hours ago, chose the necessary pack to get Sky Sports F1 HD and have set up my Sky ID.

Any ideas how long after setting up Sky ID til I get access to the Sky Go and Sky Sports News apps? Figured it might happen straight away or may not work until the installers been and set up my box and viewing card.

As of this moment the apps recognise my login but say I'm not subscribed ”

I had mine set up today, you don't get Sky Go til they come and do it for you. Its worth the wait though.
Doogy
08-03-2012
Originally Posted by Fergie1:
“I had mine set up today, you don't get Sky Go til they come and do it for you. Its worth the wait though. ”

Ah that's a shame, was hoping I'd be able to watch the launch stuff, never mind.

I'm cutting it close mind, install date is next Thursday so hopefully it'll be up and running before FP1
Inspiration
08-03-2012
My install date is Monday. Like others i've waited until the last minute but couldn't face a season without live coverage of all the races. I've watched them since 1991, not about to stop now.. especially if it's as close a season as they're predicting. Just went with the standard entertainment pack and HD. It will be nice to finally enjoy the HD channels.
Red Devil
08-03-2012
Thanks DMN for the second post & the news update.

As the last part is closed I can't quote, but thanks to pakokelso93 for this - http://youtu.be/x1rvAlfQw1U I've been looking for that for a while.

How many races were done off-tube during the BBC's early years? I'm guessing as the commentary wasn't done at the track that FOM don't own it?

The F1 Legends show featuring Nigel Mansell airs 9am Sunday 18th March (straight after the race show) and then many more times after that.
Botty
08-03-2012
Originally Posted by Doogy:
“Been a long time F1 Coverage thread lurker so hello all

I've just signed up with Sky, literally a couple of hours ago, chose the necessary pack to get Sky Sports F1 HD and have set up my Sky ID.

Any ideas how long after setting up Sky ID til I get access to the Sky Go and Sky Sports News apps? Figured it might happen straight away or may not work until the installers been and set up my box and viewing card.

As of this moment the apps recognise my login but say I'm not subscribed ”

SkyGo went live for me straight after the install. When I say live, I mean the subscription channels. I could watch Sky News before my install date but not SSN.

Oh and welcome aboard

Nice work D.M.N. Quick off the mark. It's as if you knew it was coming

Botty
jeffersbnl
08-03-2012
Originally Posted by alexj2002:
“You've also got to keep in mind that having the rights to show them is one thing, trying to prise the tapes off the BBC might be quite another!”

If you're another rights holding broadcaster then pay the BBC the required fee and they'll give you the tape, especially if contractually obliged to do so! Its up to you to make sure you've got the rights to use it.

Good point raised about BBC races (pre 1993/1994) being incomplete. Sky could stick to the original highlights edits for those.

Hope they'll repeat Canada 2011 in full, perhaps minus the two hour delay
DanielF
08-03-2012
Originally Posted by jeffersbnl:
“If you're another rights holding broadcaster then pay the BBC the required fee and they'll give you the tape, especially if contractually obliged to do so! Its up to you to make sure you've got the rights to use it.

Good point raised about BBC races (pre 1993/1994) being incomplete. Sky could stick to the original highlights edits for those.

Hope they'll repeat Canada 2011 in full, perhaps minus the two hour delay ”

Nah... hardcore, include the delay. Get a spot of bird watching in!
jeffersbnl
08-03-2012
Originally Posted by Red Devil:
“How many races were done off-tube during the BBC's early years? I'm guessing as the commentary wasn't done at the track that FOM don't own it?”

In the very early days they were all off tube, not sure by what point only the long haul ones were off tube. I'm sure by the time I started watching (1993) they were all on site. Certainly for Brazil and Argentina- that terrible phone line wasn't just an effects box

Have to wait for arius to confirm it but at the track or not I believe FOM own all pictures and commentary back to the late 80s, possibly earlier.
_SpeedRacer_
09-03-2012
Originally Posted by jeffersbnl:
“In the very early days they were all off tube, not sure by what point only the long haul ones were off tube. I'm sure by the time I started watching (1993) they were all on site. Certainly for Brazil and Argentina- that terrible phone line wasn't just an effects box

Have to wait for arius to confirm it but at the track or not I believe FOM own all pictures and commentary back to the late 80s, possibly earlier.”

They didn't start owning the commentary until much later, around the mid-nineties.
lincsat
09-03-2012
Originally Posted by Red Devil:
“How many races were done off-tube during the BBC's early years? I'm guessing as the commentary wasn't done at the track that FOM don't own it?”

Murray seemed to be at the circuit at most of the early 1980's GP's that I remember. In the days of Eurovision holding the broadcast rights, it would have been relatively easy (and cheap) to get a commentary circuit from within the Eurovision zone.

I seem to remember in the 1970's when ITV covered some F1 that Andrew Marriott was usually at the circuit as well.
DanielF
09-03-2012
Originally Posted by jeffersbnl:
“In the very early days they were all off tube, not sure by what point only the long haul ones were off tube. I'm sure by the time I started watching (1993) they were all on site. Certainly for Brazil and Argentina- that terrible phone line wasn't just an effects box

Have to wait for arius to confirm it but at the track or not I believe FOM own all pictures and commentary back to the late 80s, possibly earlier.”

Not all of them in '93. It was fairly well known that the Canadian at the very least was off-tube, due to Hunt's sad death in London just after it.
F1-Addict
09-03-2012
Originally Posted by wolvesdavid:
“Will the interactive options on Sky be available on replays of the races.”

We haven't heard for certain yet but I see no reason why not. As I have said before, the technology needed was used on F1D+ 10 years ago so it is possible. Hopefully the same will apply to practice and qualifying replays. I notice Bob McKenzie has said, "gp races will not be available on the F1 channel after race day but will run new material." Good to hear we'll not be short on fresh material but I would've liked to explore the interactive replay a day or two after a race rather than only hours after.

While on the red button, I'd quite like it if Sky put the world feed on an interactive screen from the start of their broadcast (i.e. 11.30am on race day). I'm well aware that mostly empty track is shown but it gives the viewer another option; will show the driver's parade, local pre-race entertainment (e.g. Red Arrows display, demo lap a la Piquet in Brazil) and the lap to the grid. It was a red button option at Silverstone in 2009 and I thought it was a decent alternative and see no reason why Sky can't do it for every race.
martine93
09-03-2012
Originally Posted by wolvesdavid:
“
Will the interactive options on Sky be available on replays of the races.”

Well the Virgin Media Sky Sports red button listings for March say this.

Quote:
“F1 Australia - Race: 18th March, 4.30am (F1)

F1 Australia - Race Omneon Repeat: 18th March, 9.30am (F1)

F1 Australia - Race Omneon Repeat: 18th March, 2.30pm (F1)


F1 Malaysia - Race: 25th March, 7.30am (F1)

F1 Malaysia - Race Omneon Repeat: 25th March, 12.30pm (F1)”

http://www.virginmedia.com/tvradio/t...march-2012.php
Guv'nor
09-03-2012
Originally Posted by F1-Addict:
“While on the red button, I'd quite like it if Sky put the world feed on an interactive screen from the start of their broadcast (i.e. 11.30am on race day). I'm well aware that mostly empty track is shown but it gives the viewer another option; will show the driver's parade, local pre-race entertainment (e.g. Red Arrows display, demo lap a la Piquet in Brazil) and the lap to the grid. It was a red button option at Silverstone in 2009 and I thought it was a decent alternative and see no reason why Sky can't do it for every race.”

I'll second that idea.
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