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Old 13-03-2012, 08:18
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/art...rles-Sale.html

no more horse racing on bbctv

channel4's horse racing coverage is much better

won't miss john parrot as a punter
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Old 13-03-2012, 08:21
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Charles Sale has now picked up this story; he's even saying that Clare Balding could defect

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/art...rles-Sale.html
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Old 13-03-2012, 08:45
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Hardly defect: Clare is freelance hence her stint on More4 for the Crufts coverage.

C4 has the Paralympic rights this year so is clearly happy to increase its share of Sports coverage.
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Old 13-03-2012, 10:40
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Assuming this happens I hope C4 do not bring Balding or indeed any of the other BBC racing crew on board.
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Old 13-03-2012, 11:09
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Why is John Parrott on the coverage anyway?
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Old 13-03-2012, 11:26
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I see Racing UK are launching on Freeview soon Will this mean ATR has to consider this move to compete? if so will there be a need for Channel 4 racing?

I know Racing UK is subscription and have most of the big races Ch4 show but Ascot, Doncaster, Lingfield etc would be available free on ATR if they went down a freeview route.

Do you think ATR will go on freeview?
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Old 13-03-2012, 12:24
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If the rights owner believes that no FTA channel has bid a "reasonable" amount for the rights then they can go to the Secretary of State and ask for permission to be allowed to sell exclusively to a Pay TV company.

It would then be the Secretary of State's call as to what was "reasonable".

What it all boils down to is that the Listed events system can only survive by consensus.
Yes, but survive it must.
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Old 13-03-2012, 12:43
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Why is John Parrott on the coverage anyway?
That is one criticism of the BBC's racing coverage; why did they bring him on board to replace Angus Loughran in 2008? I know he's a racing fan and the Beeb always interviewed him on Grand National day in the past, but that's no grounds for them to make him part of their racing team; it would be like getting Frankie Dettori to be a snooker pundit.

I see Racing UK are launching on Freeview soon Will this mean ATR has to consider this move to compete? if so will there be a need for Channel 4 racing?

I know Racing UK is subscription and have most of the big races Ch4 show but Ascot, Doncaster, Lingfield etc would be available free on ATR if they went down a freeview route.

Do you think ATR will go on freeview?
Where did you see this?
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Old 13-03-2012, 12:47
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That is one criticism of the BBC's racing coverage; why did they bring him on board to replace Angus Loughran in 2008? I know he's a racing fan and the Beeb always interviewed him on Grand National day in the past, but that's no grounds for them to make him part of their racing team; it would be like getting Frankie Dettori to be a snooker pundit.



Where did you see this?
It says so on channel 116 I don't have freeview myself saw it on my dad's freeview on Sunday.

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1636470

I see ATR are trying to do Racing coverage from Cheltenham but seems that they have been banned from the course and they are having to broadcast from the car park.
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Old 13-03-2012, 13:39
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It says so on channel 116 I don't have freeview myself saw it on my dad's freeview on Sunday.

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1636470

I see ATR are trying to do Racing coverage from Cheltenham but seems that they have been banned from the course and they are having to broadcast from the car park.
Only way you will get Racing UK on freeview is through the connect service (So Freeview HD and internet connection)
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Old 13-03-2012, 13:39
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With the BBC being considered the nation's event broadcaster, I doubt the Grand National would get half the viewers that it has, if it was on Channel 4.

Mind you, if the BBC is willing to give up such events, as well as not covering minority sport generally- oh, and science, the arts, situation comedy, light entertainment, music, longer series of popular returning drama...in anything but a perfunctory way on BBC One- I'm beginning to wonder what the BBC thinks it's for. I've been a long-term supporter of the BBC- frankly, the 70s/early 80s BBC is part of my character- but I now find that those running the corporation are pushing me in to thinking that the BBC may as well not exist.

(Of course, news and current affairs- factual- is what it's all about and the BBC has been run by a succession of people from news and current affairs backgrounds, but news and current affairs, though important- as anyone from any background recognises- isn't the 'be all and end all' that they're making it. Everything else is now considered a treat, rather than being considered part of our everyday lives, as it used to be.)
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Old 13-03-2012, 13:48
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Only way you will get Racing UK on freeview is through the connect service (So Freeview HD and internet connection)

Or TVOnics Freeview SD and internet connection: it appeared on the EPG on my DTR-HV250 until I hid the channel
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Old 13-03-2012, 18:00
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Charles Sale has now picked up this story; he's even saying that Clare Balding could defect

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/art...rles-Sale.html
Sale's writing style is typical Mail, isn't it?

Typical, also, of him to report a rumour when people have already seen it on the internet.
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Old 13-03-2012, 18:32
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It is kind of funny in a way to see no more horse racing on the BBC (Not confirmed but looking likely) but in a way not really a surprise (BBC Only really given 2 hoots about the main events in recent years anyway)
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Old 13-03-2012, 18:44
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With the BBC being considered the nation's event broadcaster, I doubt the Grand National would get half the viewers that it has, if it was on Channel 4.

Mind you, if the BBC is willing to give up such events, as well as not covering minority sport generally- oh, and science, the arts, situation comedy, light entertainment, music, longer series of popular returning drama...in anything but a perfunctory way on BBC One
You are aware that the BBC has such programming (in bold) on their other channels, notably BBC Four and BBC Two?
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Old 13-03-2012, 18:59
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I remember the article below appearing in the Daily Record around the time it was announced that the BBC had lost the rights to show Test cricket.

As the BBC says farewell to major sporting events, critics fear for the future of institutions like Grandstand. The days of famous presenters and top-flight events could quickly become be a thing of the past. We may soon all be watching:.

12.05 Football Focus: Garth Crooks gives a kick by kick account of last weekend's Vauxhall Conference.

1.00 Dwarf Tossing: Sid Waddell catches up with events at the Pig and Crown, Cleethorpes.

2.25 Live Billiards: Shuggy `Whirlwind' Windsor and Brian `Breeze' Brown go head to head in Skelmorlie Church Hall.

3.00 Chick Young takes us live to Baden Baden, Germany, for the preliminary qualifying round for this year's Tractor Reversing Championship.

4.00 Half-Time round up.

4.15 Back to Cleethorpes.

4.30 Pool. The Dog and Bone Pub, East London, is the venue. John Spencer reports.

5.00 Final Score. All today's non-league football action.


Looks like they weren't far off the mark...
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Old 13-03-2012, 19:04
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The 1pm programme is conjuring up unwelcome images.
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Old 13-03-2012, 19:21
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A shame, but the BBC has marginalised racing over the last 20 years and lost the rights to Glorious Goodwood, Cheltenham, Newbury, the French meetings and part of the Ascot contract with barely a struggle. OK they did win back the Derby, but that was maybe to fill up a bare weekend on Grandstand. No wonder racecourses are keener to deal with Channel 4, who offer them more money.
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Old 13-03-2012, 19:22
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Assuming this happens I hope C4 do not bring Balding or indeed any of the other BBC racing crew on board.
I agree with you on this - it's not that I dislike the BBC racing team, more that I prefer the Channel 4 line-up. I'm perfectly happy with the mainstays of Channel 4's coverage and wouldn't like to see any of them losing out to make room for broadcasters plucked from the BBC.

I'd be pleased to see more big race meetings on Channel 4, they do a great job with Cheltenham.
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Old 13-03-2012, 19:33
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You are aware that the BBC has such programming (in bold) on their other channels, notably BBC Four and BBC Two?
Thank you for that high-handed comment. How droll.

As you may remember- possibly not- it is my view (as was that of the BBC for so long) that what is worthwhile should be brought to people; having to go searching for something results in largely 'preaching to the converted' and, anyway, the nature of something on Two or Four, is quite different to what it would be on One, in terms of presentation.

It doesn't have to be either/or- which is what it is- and, even then, the number of programmes being made in the various categories stated is far lower than it once was.
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Old 13-03-2012, 21:06
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A shame, but the BBC has marginalised racing over the last 20 years and lost the rights to Glorious Goodwood, Cheltenham, Newbury, the French meetings and part of the Ascot contract with barely a struggle. OK they did win back the Derby, but that was maybe to fill up a bare weekend on Grandstand. No wonder racecourses are keener to deal with Channel 4, who offer them more money.
Racing on the BBC has been marginalised due to the demise of Grandstand. The Beeb gave up Newbury at the end of 2001 as part of a trade-off which saw the Derby (plus the Oaks) return to the BBC after a 22-year absence, the Goodwood authorites wanted to go with Channel 4 from 2007 onwards, because of their association with Racing UK and Cheltenham was lost at the end of 1994 as Channel 4 outbid BBC, pure and simple. And that is their jewel; they guard that like a woman's virtue, any rumblings that the Beeb had of taking over Cheltenham coverage in the intervening years have come with threats of C4 pulling out of all racing coverage.

As things currently stand, C4 only pays for Cheltenham meetings; all other racing coverage by them is paid for by the racing authorities.
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Old 13-03-2012, 21:37
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I remember the article below appearing in the Daily Record around the time it was announced that the BBC had lost the rights to show Test cricket.

As the BBC says farewell to major sporting events, critics fear for the future of institutions like Grandstand. The days of famous presenters and top-flight events could quickly become be a thing of the past. We may soon all be watching:.

12.05 Football Focus: Garth Crooks gives a kick by kick account of last weekend's Vauxhall Conference.

1.00 Dwarf Tossing: Sid Waddell catches up with events at the Pig and Crown, Cleethorpes.

2.25 Live Billiards: Shuggy `Whirlwind' Windsor and Brian `Breeze' Brown go head to head in Skelmorlie Church Hall.

3.00 Chick Young takes us live to Baden Baden, Germany, for the preliminary qualifying round for this year's Tractor Reversing Championship.

4.00 Half-Time round up.

4.15 Back to Cleethorpes.

4.30 Pool. The Dog and Bone Pub, East London, is the venue. John Spencer reports.

5.00 Final Score. All today's non-league football action.


Looks like they weren't far off the mark...
Lol, very good. Having said that, its not far off what World of Sport on ITV used to churn out every week.
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Old 14-03-2012, 07:19
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Thank you for that high-handed comment. How droll.
less of that please, You made a statement, one that was ;patently wide of the mark when other BBC channels are considered. I corrected you. End of story. Either accept it or ignore it. No skin off my nose as they say.
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Old 14-03-2012, 08:56
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I agree with you on this - it's not that I dislike the BBC racing team, more that I prefer the Channel 4 line-up. I'm perfectly happy with the mainstays of Channel 4's coverage and wouldn't like to see any of them losing out to make room for broadcasters plucked from the BBC.

I'd be pleased to see more big race meetings on Channel 4, they do a great job with Cheltenham.
I'd agree with all of that with the exception of McCririck. I really can't stand the man and I don't believe he adds anything to the coverage. Just stick with Tanya Stevenson for the betting.

Don't mind the Beeb coverage of the National meeting apart from having John Parrott on and I think it's time to ditch Richard Pitman as well.

I wish someone would find a place for Lydia Hislop on terrestial coverage.
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Old 14-03-2012, 09:11
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Sale is notorious for getting things wrong - for weeks he charted the BBC's ''bid'' for the European Champions' League - then it turned out the BBC hadn't bid at all
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