Only 1.55 million watched last Saturday's Derby on C4. P**s poor if you ask me.
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/201...iewing-figures
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/201...iewing-figures
Horse Racing on Terrestrial TV
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Originally Posted by Armagideon Time:
“Only 1.55 million watched last Saturday's Derby on C4. P**s poor if you ask me.
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/201...iewing-figures”
“Only 1.55 million watched last Saturday's Derby on C4. P**s poor if you ask me.
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/201...iewing-figures”
Still higher than when it was on the BBC though.
Originally Posted by david16:
“Still higher than when it was on the BBC though.”
“Still higher than when it was on the BBC though.”
I take it you are joking?
Originally Posted by david16:
“What was the story behind the BBC TV head racing commentators job and Julian Wilson and Peter O'Sullevan.
I thought it was hilarious. Julian Wilson must have been so bitter that everybody loved Peter O'Sullevan but nobody liked him.”
“What was the story behind the BBC TV head racing commentators job and Julian Wilson and Peter O'Sullevan.
I thought it was hilarious. Julian Wilson must have been so bitter that everybody loved Peter O'Sullevan but nobody liked him.”
Wilson had a huge spat with Coleman over who interviewed certain people following a big OB (i assume the Grand National meeting), anyway, Coleman won - easily!
There was more acrimony on BBC Radio with Cornelius Lysaght and Lee McKenzie.
Re The Derby ratings, what did it used to get on Wednesdays? I know i'm going back a bit, but i remember it was always good fun to sneak out of work and watch it
Frankie Dettori joins Channel 4 at Royal Ascot
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/201...ng-royal-ascot
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/201...ng-royal-ascot
Originally Posted by david16:
“Still higher than when it was on the BBC though.”
“Still higher than when it was on the BBC though.”
Nope. They got over 3 million
I am probably hugely wrong but was it Jim McGrath (Australian ex BBC Commentator) commentating on C4 at Royal Ascot on the 3:45 race?
Originally Posted by clever3000:
“I am probably hugely wrong but was it Jim McGrath (Australian ex BBC Commentator) commentating on C4 at Royal Ascot on the 3:45 race?”
“I am probably hugely wrong but was it Jim McGrath (Australian ex BBC Commentator) commentating on C4 at Royal Ascot on the 3:45 race?”
It was Simon Holt who is from Brighton.
Aussie Jim has retired from commentary
Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“It was Simon Holt who is from Brighton.
Aussie Jim has retired from commentary”
“It was Simon Holt who is from Brighton.
Aussie Jim has retired from commentary”
Easy mistake to make
Originally Posted by clever3000:
“I am probably hugely wrong but was it Jim McGrath (Australian ex BBC Commentator) commentating on C4 at Royal Ascot on the 3:45 race?”
“I am probably hugely wrong but was it Jim McGrath (Australian ex BBC Commentator) commentating on C4 at Royal Ascot on the 3:45 race?”
Originally Posted by Hayden:
“Easy mistake to make”
“Easy mistake to make
”
Actually today I think I realised why the poster thought that. C4 have been showing the finishes from the corresponding race from years gone by, of course the commentator on those races was.....Aussie Jim. He must have heard one of those "old" races
The RUK coverage of Ascot this week has been top notch compared to C4 , I wonder how the C4 viewing figures are holding up today ? Doesn't seem a massive improvement if any at all
Originally Posted by tony321:
“The RUK coverage of Ascot this week has been top notch compared to C4 , I wonder how the C4 viewing figures are holding up today ? Doesn't seem a massive improvement if any at all”
“The RUK coverage of Ascot this week has been top notch compared to C4 , I wonder how the C4 viewing figures are holding up today ? Doesn't seem a massive improvement if any at all”
Well C4 must hope to have picked up some viewers, who in previous years tuned in to the ATR coverage, to offset lost viewers from their coverage from last year.
So how did RUK manage today, especially with afternoon meetings at 3 other RUK tracks? However, if I was Ascot, I'd be looking to have some kind of "exclusivity window" for the Royal meeting, with no other coverage (or one other meeting maximum) from another course in the afternoon of the days of the meeting. I appreciate as RUK have the lions share of coverage from all the British racecourses, but no other racing takes places on RUK tracks during the Aintree Grand National meeting and Huntingdon is the only other RUK-aligned course that races during the Cheltenham Festival.
Originally Posted by Armagideon Time:
“Well C4 must hope to have picked up some viewers, who in previous years tuned in to the ATR coverage, to offset lost viewers from their coverage from last year.
So how did RUK manage today, especially with afternoon meetings at 3 other RUK tracks? However, if I was Ascot, I'd be looking to have some kind of "exclusivity window" for the Royal meeting, with no other coverage (or one other meeting maximum) from another course in the afternoon of the days of the meeting. I appreciate as RUK have the lions share of coverage from all the British racecourses, but no other racing takes places on RUK tracks during the Aintree Grand National meeting and Huntingdon is the only other RUK-aligned course that races during the Cheltenham Festival.”
“Well C4 must hope to have picked up some viewers, who in previous years tuned in to the ATR coverage, to offset lost viewers from their coverage from last year.
So how did RUK manage today, especially with afternoon meetings at 3 other RUK tracks? However, if I was Ascot, I'd be looking to have some kind of "exclusivity window" for the Royal meeting, with no other coverage (or one other meeting maximum) from another course in the afternoon of the days of the meeting. I appreciate as RUK have the lions share of coverage from all the British racecourses, but no other racing takes places on RUK tracks during the Aintree Grand National meeting and Huntingdon is the only other RUK-aligned course that races during the Cheltenham Festival.”
All the races ran to time on RUK so they had no issues, they did rush off from the other tracks very quickly. RUK were lucky the other fixtures were flat and 10 mins apart.
It was ATR who were looking very sheepish they made no attempt to even acknowledge Ascot existed, they sent Chapman to Down Royal and didn't even mention any winners or anything or do in house commentary, the only mention it go was a sarky comment from Chapman in a small runner field at around 3 when he said "just as difficult as a Royal Ascot gold cup field to pick".
Originally Posted by steveh31:
“All the races ran to time on RUK so they had no issues, they did rush off from the other tracks very quickly. RUK were lucky the other fixtures were flat and 10 mins apart.
It was ATR who were looking very sheepish they made no attempt to even acknowledge Ascot existed, they sent Chapman to Down Royal and didn't even mention any winners or anything or do in house commentary, the only mention it go was a sarky comment from Chapman in a small runner field at around 3 when he said "just as difficult as a Royal Ascot gold cup field to pick".”
“All the races ran to time on RUK so they had no issues, they did rush off from the other tracks very quickly. RUK were lucky the other fixtures were flat and 10 mins apart.
It was ATR who were looking very sheepish they made no attempt to even acknowledge Ascot existed, they sent Chapman to Down Royal and didn't even mention any winners or anything or do in house commentary, the only mention it go was a sarky comment from Chapman in a small runner field at around 3 when he said "just as difficult as a Royal Ascot gold cup field to pick".”
Bit surprised about that, but maybe down to the rawness of losing the Ascot rights (they were officially transferred over to RUK earlier this month), as they normally acknowledge the big meetings - Cheltenham Festival, Grand National, The Derby - that have been historically been on RUK.
According to the Racing Post, Channel 4's average rating for the Saturday at Royal Ascot was 605,000 (peaking at 883,000). Two years ago on the corresponding day, BBC1 (in its last year of covering Royal Ascot) achieved 1.899,000 (admittedly with Black Caviar having a starring role). This year's five-day average is 583,400 compared with 658,000 in 2013 and 1.383 million for BBC in 2012. Completely disastrous viewing figures for Channel 4!
Originally Posted by IanFergus:
“According to the Racing Post, Channel 4's average rating for the Saturday at Royal Ascot was 605,000 (peaking at 883,000). Two years ago on the corresponding day, BBC1 (in its last year of covering Royal Ascot) achieved 1.899,000 (admittedly with Black Caviar having a starring role). This year's five-day average is 583,400 compared with 658,000 in 2013 and 1.383 million for BBC in 2012. Completely disastrous viewing figures for Channel 4!”
“According to the Racing Post, Channel 4's average rating for the Saturday at Royal Ascot was 605,000 (peaking at 883,000). Two years ago on the corresponding day, BBC1 (in its last year of covering Royal Ascot) achieved 1.899,000 (admittedly with Black Caviar having a starring role). This year's five-day average is 583,400 compared with 658,000 in 2013 and 1.383 million for BBC in 2012. Completely disastrous viewing figures for Channel 4!”
Simple answer is if it isn't on BBC-1 or itv people won't watch even if it was Andy Murray or England in World Cup, people are so bizarre when it comes to changing channels I cannot understand it the same when they switch Wimbledon to BBC-2.
Originally Posted by steveh31:
“Simple answer is if it isn't on BBC-1 or itv people won't watch even if it was Andy Murray or England in World Cup, people are so bizarre when it comes to changing channels I cannot understand it the same when they switch Wimbledon to BBC-2.”
“Simple answer is if it isn't on BBC-1 or itv people won't watch even if it was Andy Murray or England in World Cup, people are so bizarre when it comes to changing channels I cannot understand it the same when they switch Wimbledon to BBC-2.”
Do you really believe that is the reason for a 60 percent fall in two years? I watched the Saturday action on Racing UK.
Originally Posted by IanFergus:
“Do you really believe that is the reason for a 60 percent fall in two years? I watched the Saturday action on Racing UK.”
“Do you really believe that is the reason for a 60 percent fall in two years? I watched the Saturday action on Racing UK.”
Yes seriously there's a lot of people in this country who just default their tv to BBC-1 never change channels and have it on in the background. They probably don't even remember it is on Channel 4, they just watch what comes on.
We had this discussion in Wimbledon thread last year, there are people who have Freeview who have never gone above number 5 on their box which is why having a high channel number is very important to tv companies and why the BBC always switch Andy Murray games to BBC-1 as people just won't change channels.
Originally Posted by steveh31:
“Yes seriously there's a lot of people in this country who just default their tv to BBC-1 never change channels and have it on in the background. They probably don't even remember it is on Channel 4, they just watch what comes on.
We had this discussion in Wimbledon thread last year, there are people who have Freeview who have never gone above number 5 on their box which is why having a high channel number is very important to tv companies and why the BBC always switch Andy Murray games to BBC-1 as people just won't change channels.”
“Yes seriously there's a lot of people in this country who just default their tv to BBC-1 never change channels and have it on in the background. They probably don't even remember it is on Channel 4, they just watch what comes on.
We had this discussion in Wimbledon thread last year, there are people who have Freeview who have never gone above number 5 on their box which is why having a high channel number is very important to tv companies and why the BBC always switch Andy Murray games to BBC-1 as people just won't change channels.”
6 out of 10? I can understand a certain number but more than half of viewers switch on a tv and just leave it on BBC1? If this were true, BBC1 would always have a considerable majority of viewers.
Originally Posted by IanFergus:
“6 out of 10? I can understand a certain number but more than half of viewers switch on a tv and just leave it on BBC1? If this were true, BBC1 would always have a considerable majority of viewers.”
“6 out of 10? I can understand a certain number but more than half of viewers switch on a tv and just leave it on BBC1? If this were true, BBC1 would always have a considerable majority of viewers.”
Also there's the snobbery that Channel 4 inferior to the BBC in some minds but I would bet if it was on BBC-1 next year would be back well over 1 million.
Only a major survey of the viewers who watched in 2012 and asking them why the didn't watch in subsequent years will we know the answer.
Originally Posted by steveh31:
“Also there's the snobbery that Channel 4 inferior to the BBC in some minds but I would bet if it was on BBC-1 next year would be back well over 1 million.
Only a major survey of the viewers who watched in 2012 and asking them why the didn't watch in subsequent years will we know the answer.”
“Also there's the snobbery that Channel 4 inferior to the BBC in some minds but I would bet if it was on BBC-1 next year would be back well over 1 million.
Only a major survey of the viewers who watched in 2012 and asking them why the didn't watch in subsequent years will we know the answer.”
One of the main reasons people do not like Channel 4 ( and ) ITV is adverts, which you do not get on BBC.
Originally Posted by steveh31:
“Also there's the snobbery that Channel 4 inferior to the BBC in some minds but I would bet if it was on BBC-1 next year would be back well over 1 million.
Only a major survey of the viewers who watched in 2012 and asking them why the didn't watch in subsequent years will we know the answer.”
“Also there's the snobbery that Channel 4 inferior to the BBC in some minds but I would bet if it was on BBC-1 next year would be back well over 1 million.
Only a major survey of the viewers who watched in 2012 and asking them why the didn't watch in subsequent years will we know the answer.”
Unfortunately, you'll have to wait until 2017 at the earliest - or if at all - to find out!
Originally Posted by david16:
“How much acrimony was there in the BBC TV horse racing team?
I've heard about the time when Julian Wilson thought he was going to become the main commentator when Peter O'Sullevan was approaching 65 as he thought O'Sullevan was going to retire but O'Sullevan decided to stay on. That must have been a real kick in the teeth for Wilson.
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“How much acrimony was there in the BBC TV horse racing team?
I've heard about the time when Julian Wilson thought he was going to become the main commentator when Peter O'Sullevan was approaching 65 as he thought O'Sullevan was going to retire but O'Sullevan decided to stay on. That must have been a real kick in the teeth for Wilson.
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Originally Posted by david16:
“What was the story behind the BBC TV head racing commentators job and Julian Wilson and Peter O'Sullevan.
I thought it was hilarious. Julian Wilson must have been so bitter that everybody loved Peter O'Sullevan but nobody liked him.”
“What was the story behind the BBC TV head racing commentators job and Julian Wilson and Peter O'Sullevan.
I thought it was hilarious. Julian Wilson must have been so bitter that everybody loved Peter O'Sullevan but nobody liked him.”
The full reason for the fallout was that in 1981 Wilson had been approached about becoming ITV's senior commentator but turned it down, preferring to wait for the BBC job to come along in a couple of years time.
Unfortunately for Wilson, O'Sullevan had only been talking about retiring from his newspaper work with the Daily Express and the Press Association and by the time Wilson realised his mistake the ITV job had long gone (to Graham Goode).
It was a genuine misunderstanding and there had never been any intent to deceive Wilson, but it was understandable that it left a nasty taste,especially as O'Sullevan went on commentating for another 14 years, not retiring until 1997 when he was 79.
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