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jmclaugh
25-04-2016
Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“If ITV go the same route as Channel 4 then they may as well keep it there. 4 isnt working because it is aimed at the hardcore racing fan and the casual punter is cast aside. That is my opinion and, judging by the ratings slump it has had, many others. I don't get this obsession with getting in ATR or RUK men. I would wager the main man/woman is somebody more than just the racing fraternity know.”

I fail to see how TV coverage of horse racing can be aimed at anything other than the keen racing fan as a casual punter is just that and their interest isn't to watch racing week in week out. Casual punters tend to be interested in big races not bread and butter horse racing. I think whoever fronts ITV's coverage needs to be at least knowledgeable about horse racing but not an anorak, essentially someone most viewers will warm to.
Neil_Harris
25-04-2016
Chapman has a column in the Sun I believe, so has a profile outside of ATR.

I think I've said before I expect almost two different productions.
Darren Lethem
25-04-2016
Originally Posted by jmclaugh:
“I fail to see how TV coverage of horse racing can be aimed at anything other than the keen racing fan as a casual punter is just that and their interest isn't to watch racing week in week out. Casual punters tend to be interested in big races not bread and butter horse racing. I think whoever fronts ITV's coverage needs to be at least knowledgeable about horse racing but not an anorak, essentially someone most viewers will warm to.”

When C4 Racing had the likes of Thommo, Big Mac, Francs etc it was easily more accessible to the man in the bookies and on the street. Of course you need to attract the casual viewer too or you are going to lose viewers, and lets face it C4 Racing has, lots of them. It has been a disaster since it changed. Far too middle class and more like RUK. I only watch it for the races now, cannot be doing with the build up.
jmclaugh
25-04-2016
Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“When C4 Racing had the likes of Thommo, Big Mac, Francs etc it was easily more accessible to the man in the bookies and on the street. Of course you need to attract the casual viewer too or you are going to lose viewers, and lets face it C4 Racing has, lots of them. It has been a disaster since it changed. Far too middle class and more like RUK. I only watch it for the races now, cannot be doing with the build up.”

I agree it isn't as good since the changes but it seems to me most of that was trying to be more like the Beeb's coverage. I usually record it and then I can skip what I don't like which includes whenever Stevenson and Fitzgerald are talking and Balding.
DartGuru
25-04-2016
Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“If ITV go the same route as Channel 4 then they may as well keep it there. 4 isnt working because it is aimed at the hardcore racing fan and the casual punter is cast aside. That is my opinion and, judging by the ratings slump it has had, many others. I don't get this obsession with getting in ATR or RUK men. I would wager the main man/woman is somebody more than just the racing fraternity know.”

I'd consider myself a 'hardcore racing fan' and, if I'm having an afternoon of couch-potato racing I'll flick between ATR and RUK. I don't bother with C4 and won't bother with ITV, cos I want to watch the racing, not some so-called expert with a stump up his/her jacksie.

Assuming ITV follow the C4 format of showing six or so races, the kind of viewers that they want to attract, need to attract, are those that want the discussions to pad out the gapss, so it goes to follow that they need a character that will fill that role. Yes they need experts but I think they need a 'character' or a 'familiar face'.

Having said that, there are exceptions, and that is if the expert discusses my interests, James Willoughby for example.
tony321
25-04-2016
Please not Oli Bell, just pick any useless teenage public school boy and they wouldn't do any worse.

If he was Oli Smith from Wigan he wouldn't have got anywhere near RUK let alone ITV
casinoman13
25-04-2016
Originally Posted by tony321:
“Please not Oli Bell, just pick any useless teenage public school boy and they wouldn't do any worse.

If he was Oli Smith from Wigan he wouldn't have got anywhere near RUK let alone ITV”

I agree with that, personally i would also like them to move away from the regular racing faces of Balding and Luck.

I would like to see someone like Ed Chamberlin be given the reins, clearly knows his stuff on the horse racing industry and has a warm approach and decent personality and gone a long way since taking over from Richard Keys on Sky's football coverage.

The only problem there could be would he be prepaired to leave Sky?
The Difference
25-04-2016
Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“When C4 Racing had the likes of Thommo, Big Mac, Francs etc it was easily more accessible to the man in the bookies and on the street. Of course you need to attract the casual viewer too or you are going to lose viewers, and lets face it C4 Racing has, lots of them. It has been a disaster since it changed. Far too middle class and more like RUK. I only watch it for the races now, cannot be doing with the build up.”

Out of interest Darren, who would you like to see fronting ITV's horse racing coverage next year? Would you mostly bring back old faces from Channel 4 Racing of yesteryear or bring in some new faces to terrestrial racing coveage?
Darren Lethem
25-04-2016
Originally Posted by The Difference:
“Out of interest Darren, who would you like to see fronting ITV's horse racing coverage next year? Would you mostly bring back old faces from Channel 4 Racing of yesteryear or bring in some new faces to terrestrial racing coveage?”

Personally I thought they would have gone for Jeremy Kyle, not that I like him you understand I just fancied them to do that.

In answer to your question. Mike Cattermole. He has the racing knowledge and I think he is very personable and friendly too. My other half rarely watches the racing and sometimes comes with me to Beverley but she knows who Catt is and likes him. Not smarmy, not too posh and doesn't take himself too seriously.

PS - He once gave my dad his KitKat at Beverley Races once too
Armagideon Time
26-04-2016
Originally Posted by casinoman13:
“I would like to see someone like Ed Chamberlin be given the reins, clearly knows his stuff on the horse racing industry and has a warm approach and decent personality and gone a long way since taking over from Richard Keys on Sky's football coverage.

The only problem there could be would he be prepaired to leave Sky?”

He could do both as there would be no conflict, especially for midweek meetings.

It seems strange that Sky is the only broadcaster that isn't keen on sharing their personnel with another broadcaster (like some BT pundits also work for ITV and BBC as well). One would have thought as Sky are trying to be austere in the wake of the upcoming renewal of the Premier League broadcasting rights deal - for which they paid way OTT - they would look at ways of saving money, i.e. removing exclusivity from certain pundits' contract and reducing their salaries, which would then free them up to work for other broadcasters' if they wish.
Darren Lethem
10-05-2016
ITV has announced that its horse racing coverage from 2017 will be produced by its in-house production team, as well as confirming Richard Willoughby as the channel’s racing editor.

Not sure if he is related to James ( or Holly for that matter )

Full story here

http://sport-onthebox.com/2016/05/10...2017-coverage/
clever3000
10-05-2016
Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“ITV has announced that its horse racing coverage from 2017 will be produced by its in-house production team, as well as confirming Richard Willoughby as the channel’s racing editor.

Not sure if he is related to James ( or Holly for that matter )

Full story here

http://sport-onthebox.com/2016/05/10...2017-coverage/”

Interesting that it mentions Ed Chamberlain being one of the favourites, it wasnt needed in the article but mentioning it will only increase speculation. Willoughby should be a good appointment and it will be interesting to see how many will be brought over from Racing UK. As far as bringing over some of the C4 team they need to prioritse Simon Holt and Richard Hoiles. McCoy will certainly move over and at least there will be no more Gok Wan at Ascot!
Neil_Harris
10-05-2016
Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“ITV has announced that its horse racing coverage from 2017 will be produced by its in-house production team, as well as confirming Richard Willoughby as the channel’s racing editor.

Not sure if he is related to James ( or Holly for that matter )

Full story here

http://sport-onthebox.com/2016/05/10...2017-coverage/”

Interesting they've started with a racing uk man... C4 making their coverage more like racing UK is where a lot of people felt they'd gone wrong.

Please no Dave Nevison.
Neil_Harris
18-05-2016
Seems like Ed Chamberlain is the main man.

http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse...=last7DaysNews
swingaleg
18-05-2016
I realised today that I have no idea who Ed Chamberlin is.......

There was a photo of him on the Racing Post website

I know he does Sky football but I only ever tune in at kick off time then flick to something else during half time and again when the final whistle goes.......so I've never seen him
Tony Yeboah
18-05-2016
Heart over head for Ed I think. Horse racing, even on terrestrial TV, is going to have much lower profile than Premier League football and I would not be surprised if ITV ditch it in four years and leave Ed in limbo.
ftv
19-05-2016
According to The Sun Chamberlin will also front football and rugby for ITV.
casinoman13
19-05-2016
Originally Posted by ftv:
“According to The Sun Chamberlin will also front football and rugby for ITV.”

Excellent news ITV getting Chamberlin, said a few pages back he would be a good choice.
He has a great passion for Racing and glad to see ITV getting away from the likes of Clare Balding and maybe Nick Luck, a new approach is clearly what is needed and for me they have made a very good appointment.

If true about football and rugby then no more than he deserves as he will also do those jobs equally as well, a good all round sports presenter.
ftv
19-05-2016
I'm sure the existing football and rugby presenters will be interested to hear the news
madmusician
19-05-2016
Originally Posted by ftv:
“I'm sure the existing football and rugby presenters will be interested to hear the news”

Ah, it's an ITV tradition. Steve Rider heard that Adrian Chiles would be presenting the 2010 World Cup by reading it in the Sunday People.
clever3000
19-05-2016
Originally Posted by ftv:
“I'm sure the existing football and rugby presenters will be interested to hear the news”

Surely they wouldnt drop Pougatch so soon, unless he takes a Matt Smith sort of role for ITV. Has Chamberlain even done much Rugby before? I would still think ITV will need another presenter for racing, Nick Luck wouldnt be bad in that role.
ftv
19-05-2016
Originally Posted by madmusician:
“Ah, it's an ITV tradition. Steve Rider heard that Adrian Chiles would be presenting the 2010 World Cup by reading it in the Sunday People.”

Where did Adrian Chiles hear about Mark Pougatch - on Radio 5 ?
Darren Lethem
19-05-2016
Originally Posted by ftv:
“According to The Sun Chamberlin will also front football and rugby for ITV.”

Originally Posted by ftv:
“I'm sure the existing football and rugby presenters will be interested to hear the news”

Do you really believe all you read in The Sun ? I mean REALLY ?? You call it news. I call it a comic. Sorry I cannot respect any story that starts with "According to The Sun."
madmusician
19-05-2016
Originally Posted by ftv:
“Where did Adrian Chiles hear about Mark Pougatch - on Radio 5 ?”

Well that was all a more bizarre process. We never did discover why Chiles just disappeared half-way through a season, did we?
ftv
19-05-2016
Originally Posted by madmusician:
“Well that was all a more bizarre process. We never did discover why Chiles just disappeared half-way through a season, did we?”

I heard a suggestion that ITV just got fed up with all the complaints about him. I suspect part of the pay-off deal was he didn't discuss it.
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